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How dare Gordon Brown give the situation in Iraq and Afghan no more than one line in his speech on Monday.

Those of us with children or other family members in the forces who have to work out there deserve better.

Something must be done to sort out the ridiculous expectations of what the military can achieve and end the situation. Bring them home!

I'd like to know what the Labour party thinks about the booming industry for mercenaries acting within Iraq - they have immunity from prosecution for crimes against humanity and show accordance to ordinary military laws and procedures.

The Iraqi government has said that the weekend before last Blackwater mercenaries were responsible for murdering 11 civilians.

Video footage of this incident is reported to exist, and last year video footage emerged of Aegis mercenaries randomly shooting at cars and killing people.

The US government has made sure that US civilians cannot be charged for war crimes or crimes against humanity within Iraq - as their junior partner, will our government be putting pressure on its master to ensure that those responsible are brought to justice?

ohh- it's all kicking off! That's the closest I've seen to a fight on the 成人论坛 for quite a while...ding ding!

ohh- it's all kicking off! That's the closest I've seen to a fight on the 成人论坛 for quite a while...ding ding!

ohh- it's all kicking off! That's the closest I've seen to a fight on the 成人论坛 for quite a while...ding ding!

One of the audience mentioned the need for a post-war plan. What about a pre-war plan?
If the UK and the US had given any consideration to the consequences of ousting Saddam and bringing war to Iraq, they would have thought twice about invading.
As it is, the only considerations were power and oil.

On a positive note, I thought that debate was a brilliant idea and was great to watch. Like a more down to earth Question Time and I would love to see that happen more often on all kinds of issues.

Mark Steele hit the nail squarely on the head tonight in the debate when he mentioned - even though he got the name slightly wrong - the Project for a New American Century. I also read that document before it began to be "hidden" and "amended" to make it slightly less obnoxious and he was spot on. It does indeed describe exactly what we see in Iraq today, but it describes it as an "optimum plan" and uses precisely those words to do so.

What we are seeing is what was wanted in the first place. A simple American seizure of sufficient oil assets to assure American fuel independence so that they may easily ignore both global climate change pressures and fragility in international oil prices. With such freedom, the intent in the PNAC was to invest heavily in space development of simpler reusable launch vehicles and manned vessels to permit the establishment of American orbital forces and surveillance. Watch this space...

If the UK $ US governments are worried about the democracy and well being of other countries citizens; why don't they invade south Korea, Zimbabwe, Ethiopia... where the Government is worser than Sadam's regime.In the case of Ethiopia, USA is funding them.

Mark Steele hit the nail squarely on the head tonight in the debate when he mentioned - even though he got the name slightly wrong - the Project for a New American Century. I also read that document before it began to be "hidden" and "amended" to make it slightly less obnoxious and he was spot on. It does indeed describe exactly what we see in Iraq today, but it describes it as an "optimum plan" and uses precisely those words to do so.

What we are seeing is what was wanted in the first place. A simple American seizure of sufficient oil assets to assure American fuel independence so that they may easily ignore both global climate change pressures and fragility in international oil prices. With such freedom, the intent in the PNAC was to invest heavily in space development of simpler reusable launch vehicles and manned vessels to permit the establishment of American orbital forces and surveillance. Watch this space...

Mark Steel is your typical left wing nat who generally makes me puke; Billy Bragg with jokes as i generally see him, but tonight he articulated what some of us already know, the Iraq war was for oil and business for the very few at the top of the US corporate/industrialist world and i found myself agreeing with him for the very first time on anything.

I almost forgot the Blair clone that is Miliband is the foreign secretary. Was Dave Miliband showing signs of not knowing what day it was when questioned by Jeremy? me thinks he looked a little lost at times, a bit like the time i invited my office cleaner to a blue sky session and general meeting with projections of graphs and coloured markers.(no disrespect to cleaners)
I want more for my tax money and i ain't getting it with these 'making it up as you go along' types, it was bad enough having to listen to Jack Straw yesterday on newsnight and then listen to Miliband speed talk and avoid reasonable questions tonight, and its frightening to think Miliband was a consideration for the recent labour leadership contest from some Labour MPs; frightening to think these people actually weild power, Jeremy rattled Milband tonight....good

P.S: I do not have an office nor a cleaner, illustrative purposes only.

Why don't we hear more from Germany, France and Italy (etc) re Iraq?

Could it be that they have a better sense of perspective as to what their duties are to their own people?

Whose interests are we serving in the Middle East? We deploy about 5% or our regular army there and yet it's the focus of our foreign policy (even more so than Afghanistan where we deploy nearly twice the number of troops and the population isn't clear what we are doing there either). Note that both of these countries border Iran (East and West) and our presence there irritates the CIS, China and other nations.

In terms of numbers, surely, the UK is conventionally militarily insignificant?

If one looks more closely, this does seem to be all about Israel. Sadly, the reason for that would appear to be that most people in the UK don't care about their own country, so the few who do care about anything (largely about their second home i.e Israel, mind you), have the loudest voices. That's democracy, and they're just doing what democracy prescribes (which is legitimate and sensible).

In our democracy, it's the first (and the most ambitious) past the post after all.

Newsnights discussion on Iraq was justified & well refereed by JP... Why though do we have to discuss such an important issue courtesy of 成人论坛?... Parliament should be having this debate.
Again..Well done Newsnight & JP.

The invasion of Iraq has been a total disaster and should be debated at every opportunity. Cleverly Brown has somehow divorced himself and his present cabinet from the actions of the Blair regime. New labour has sacrificed too many of our armed forces in this pointless illegal invasion. Perhaps we should remember this when the time comes to cast our vote.

The Iraq invasion was the single most disatrous ocurrence of the twentieth century. Its impact will be felt for decades to come and yet those politicians who supported and encouraged this folly are still in power. How come? Are we all completely mad?

We went to war to eradicate a stockpile of Weapons of Mass Destruction which could be deployed against us within 45 minutes. Just wondered if anybody has found these weapons yet. If not ,why are we still in Iraq?

Well done for the Iraq debate.

When other networks are hoovering up airtime on Madeleine and Mourinho [and no, I'm not above tuning in for the latest on those sagas occasionally] it is good that someone is devoting their coverage to this very important issue.

I was riveted by your debate the other night about Iraq most notably by the speech by Biob Marshall-Andrews who I thought summed up the case so powerfully and succinctly. How true it is that there is no substitute for age in acquiring wisdom and gravitas. Our new Foreign Minister has a long way to go. Is there any chance that the 成人论坛 can forward a copy of Bob's case to me? I would greatly appreciate it. One line in Mr Brown's address? Pathetic. And cowardly.