Cameron's choppers
- 15 Jan 08, 04:14 PM
Here at Newsnight we are currently engaged in a theological dispute with Conservative Central Office of the 鈥渁ngels on a pinhead鈥 variety. Namely, how many members of the Conservative Party have to be in a helicopter before the trip falls below the eligibility criteria for registration as a donation with the Electoral Commission....
We revealed last night three entries by David Cameron in the Parliamentary Register of MPs Interests which were not declared to the Electoral Commission:
2 October 2005, helicopter flight from London to Dewsbury to Blackpool for party conference, provided by David Instance, Sellinge, Ashford. (Registered 17 October 2005)
6 October 2005, plane flight from Blackpool to London provided by Michael Spencer. (Registered 17 October 2006)
13 October 2005, helicopter flight to and from Newcastle and London from JJ Gallagher Estates. (Registered 17 October 2005)
All these trips were made in relation to his campaign to be elected leader of the Conservative Party and should be registered if they cost above 1,000. The first and third were in a helicopter, the middle one in a private jet. They have to be valued at commercial rates for delcaration purposes. We costed the helicopter rides with several helicopter companies. Here's what came back:
London to Dewsbury to Blackpool:
拢4,600+VAT Quote A
拢2,900+VAT Quote B
Newcastle/London return:
拢4,850 Quote C
拢3,400 + VAT Quote D
拢7,195 + VAT Quote E
Now before going any further it strikes me this is a very untransparent an illiquid market, where the price of getting your innards joggled around while dodging wind turbines in the freezing cold at 500ft, varies so massively. Maybe David Cameron should do something to liberalise the private helicopter market if he ever becomes PM.
OK so, you are asking (unless you are a regular Conservative blog comment poster, because you are by now manically typing my name into a comments box on Guido's website, complete with c-word and queries about my sexual orientation etc)鈥 like I say, you are asking: what is the reason the Conservatives give for not declaring the flights with the Electoral Commission?
It is that since there was more than one person on the flight, the cost of each flight should be divided by the number of passengers, arguably bringing it below 拢1,000. Here is their statement:
"We believe that these three flights, which were declared in the House of Commons Register of Members' interests, were not considered to have qualified for registration with the Electoral Commission. As you know, different rules (and limits) apply in relation to the Register of Members' Interests and the Electoral Commission."
This seems to me still problematic. Were the people in the cabin with Mr Cameron just there randomly or had he asked them to go with him? If so shouldn鈥檛 the whole trip go down as an election expense in the Conservative leadership campaign for the candidate?
We have asked the party for a list of those on each trip, and we have asked the Electoral Commission for a ruling on whether it鈥檚 permissible to divide the cost. We're still waiting for answers.
There has been some buzzing around on the blogs and the 成人论坛 duty log as to why we ran this story on the night that we led with more revelations about Peter Hain. Some have suggested we were trying in some way to equate the two cases. To me they seem of a separate order - but the Cameron case does illustrate a point made to me by a number of politicians: the system of double declaration of expenses 鈥 to the Commission and to Parliament - is cumbersome and can catch you out.
I'd be glad to hear what you think about this, provided of course your feelings can be expressed within the comment rules here!
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Enjoyed your piece last night.
Just a small point in passing since your blog post was drawn to my attention. The last UK party I was a member of was the SDP, as outed in the Indy by John Rentoul last week. Current party membership card is from the Irish PDs, who are allied to the UK LDs in Europe. Just because I hate the Labour Party doesn't make me "a Conservative" or even a conservative.
Unlike a 成人论坛 journalist, such as yourself, I do not have to pretend to impartiality. The above is just a little lazy and sloppy with the facts. Tsk tsk.
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Hey Guido sorry to mis-attribute your politics. I still think your blog is a Conservative blog - judging from the tone of the discussion on it most of the commenters are right wing and proud of it, no?. Anyway, as you no doubt know, CCO has admitted one of the flights should have been registered. Cheers Paul
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CRASSOMETRY
Would not the time-honoured
鈥減airing鈥 of politicians (as applied in Commons鈥 voting) be of some help on aerial manoeuvres? If one of each party went, it would amount to a 鈥渘ull trip鈥 and disappear from political reality. Or: might some enterprising young woman set up 鈥淟ast Minute dot Cameron鈥 where, as he boards, a bunch of nobodies clutching laptops (bought on E-bay) rush up and swell the numbers beyond the critical figure?
The whole Wesminster Charade is now way more vacuous than 鈥渁ngels on a pin鈥.
The flights taken half-way round the globe (while 鈥渢he Heart of Europe鈥 burns) to school the natives on fire-drill, exceed all previous readings on the Crassometer, and cost a lot more than a chopper to up-the-road.
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Criticising New Labour in Paul's eyes make one a Conservative/Right-Wing? And Right-Wing = nasty yes?
Does that make George Galloway, Respect and the SWP Right Wing then?
No wonder British politics is in such a mess.
Incidentally, German National Socialists in the 1920s and 1930s (like their kissing cousins the Soviet 'Socialists in One Country' aka the Stalinists) were left wing (the clue is in the party name and much ele besides, see below). What they both detested (as does Galloway) were the Trotskyists (the German Communist Party and the original Bolsheviks excluding Stalin and a few other etnic Russians), who have much in common with today's anarcho-capitalists (e.g. Joseph/Thatcher and Blair's Neoconservatives). They all hate the reincarnation of the 'evil-empire', 'axis of evil' etc because they are real socialists and very bad for business with all their pesky regulations and anti-usury etc.
Confused? No wonder after all the rubbish we've been fed since WWII.
PS. That doesn't make me a Nazi or Stalinist.
PPS. The British Civil Service (including the NHS etc) used to be 'Stalinist'. That's why it's not long for this world.
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Most of the comment makers on my blog are anti-political dissident voices. Most just want the government to leave them alone and for the 成人论坛 to earn a living rather than generate income by threatening to jail low income earners to pay high income earners. If the 成人论坛 mindset thinks that is right-wing, so be it.
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