MPs who employ relatives
- 31 Jan 08, 07:44 PM
Here's Newsnight's latest list of MPs whom we think employ one or more of their own relatives. This is based partly on lists published in the Daily Mail and the Times today, and partly on our own research. There are several other names we've been given, but not been able to confirm, so they are not posted here. After conversations with MPs today I'm inclined to think the total number employing relatives could be well over 100. Of course the vast majority of these MPs will be employing their relatives quite legitimately, and they will deserve every penny they get, if not more.
Nick Ainger
Kevin Barron
Margaret Beckett
Sir Stuart Bell
Hilary Benn
Sir Paul Beresford
Colin Breed
Malcolm Bruce
Angela Browning
Alistair Burt
Lorely Burt
Dawn Butler
Sir Menzies Campbell
Christopher Chope
Michael Clapham
Paul Clark
David Clelland
Derek Conway
David Crausby
Ian Davidson
Philip Davies
Quentin Davies
David Davis
Jim Dobbin
Jeff Ennis
Mark Fisher
Caroline Flint
Hywel Francis
Roger Gale
Ian Gibson
Linda Gilroy
Chris Grayling
Peter Hain
Mike Hall
David Hamilton
Stephen Hammond
Tom Harris
Oliver Heald
David Heath
Kelvin Hopkins
Eric Illsley
Alan Keen
Stephen Ladyman
Bob Laxton
Edward Leigh
Tom Levitt
Ian Liddell-Grainger
Martin Linton
Peter Luff
Andrew MacKinlay
Eric Martlew
Sarah McCarthy-Fry
Tommy McAvoy
Patrick McLoughlin
Andrew Miller
Michael Moore
Malcolm Moss
Albert Owen
Owen Patterson
Mike Penning
Mark Pritchard
John Redwood
Linda Riordan
Dan Rogerson
Adrian Sanders
Jim Sheridan
Andrew Smith
Angela Smith
Sir Peter Soulsby
Anthony Steen
Howard Stoate
Gary Streeter
Desmond Swayne
Mark Tami
Dari Taylor
Ben Wallace
Alan Williams
Iain Wright
Sir George Young
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We see today that Cameron has stated over 70 Tories employ family members and he will be making front benchers declare such employment from April. He also stated..
"I think there's a need for greater transparency or openness when it comes to MPs' pay and staff and expenses and allowances."
I think there is a crucial word missing...
"I NOW think there's a need for greater transparency or openness when it comes to MPs' pay and staff and expenses and allowances"
It is a good thing that there will be more transparency but it is a bit late for Cameron to claim he is the driving force
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PARTY GAMES
If MPs were chosen directly from the community that they represent; chosen for honesty, integrity, honour, competence, maturity and just plain goodness; answerable directly to those who voted them to office; there would be some possibility of government that nurtures. As it is, MPs are selected to 鈥減erform鈥 in a self-serving, factional club, being pre-chosen (by party machine, prior to voter) for very different attributes. Parties want ambition, allegiance (to party) and obedience (to whip) which, to my mind, looks like an ABSENCE of the attributes listed above. I therefore conclude that it is the PARTY SYSTEM that generates the typically poor-in-spirit MP and gives us the messed up (practically and mentally) country that we now have.
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Barrie,
I'm pretty much at one with your assessment regarding parties. Any ideas how we might move towards a more directly representative system?
I do think the mixed PR/FPTP system in Scotland has brought a distinct improvement, but it still depends upon parties to some extent.
Draconian limitations on expenditure, particularily on elections and party promotion, would go a long way towards creating a 'level playing field' and we might expect the emergence (and election) of an increased number of independent and minority-interest MPs.
I would welcome a situation where the present 'balance' in Scotland (nothing can be done without the consent of at least three parties) as a norm. I wouldn't mind it if three was an abnormally small number required.
Once again,
applies.
Salaam, etc.
ed
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Ed Inglehart 1st Feb 08 asks how we might move to a more representative system.
Ultimately we have to achieve a critical mass of grown-ups functioning in their 鈥淎dult鈥 ego state (Eric Berne).
I am of the opinion that this might be achieved through structured cartoon humour (TV) bringing psychology and philosophy to the very young. Governing Turkeys would not vote for this; it would need to be a commercial venture.
If enough voters can be made fully aware (it has started) that the problem in this country is PARTIES, they might be persuaded to SPOIL PARTY GAMES.
It must be possible to identify some 鈥渟tarter constituencies鈥 where upstanding a-political persons might be identified and promoted as independent candidates to collect the votes of this newly aware group.
Remember how ungreen the main parties were until The Green Party began to make headway? It鈥檚 the same principle.
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Ed Inglehart 1st Feb 08 asks how we might move to a more representative system.
Ultimately we have to achieve a critical mass of grown-ups functioning in their 鈥淎dult鈥 ego state (Eric Berne).
I am of the opinion that this might be achieved through structured cartoon humour (TV) bringing psychology and philosophy to the very young. Governing Turkeys would not vote for this; it would need to be a commercial venture.
If enough voters can be made fully aware (it has started) that the problem in this country is PARTIES, they might be persuaded to SPOIL PARTY GAMES.
It must be possible to identify some 鈥渟tarter constituencies鈥 where upstanding a-political persons might be identified and promoted as independent candidates to collect the votes of this newly aware group.
Remember how ungreen the main parties were until The Green Party began to make headway? It鈥檚 the same principle.
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Barrie/Ed
Would a non-party system wherein the people elected their independent representatives at constituency level, who then elected their leadership in a central assembly, effectively constitute the rudiments of a Worker's Democracy? There's not much difference between our parties on policy anymore....
Crafty, New Labour (and their backers)... aren't they? ;-)
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Ed Inglehart 1st Feb 08 asks how we might move to a more representative system.
Ultimately we have to achieve a critical mass of grown-ups functioning in their 鈥淎dult鈥 ego state (Eric Berne).
I am of the opinion that this might be achieved through structured cartoon humour (TV) bringing psychology and philosophy to the very young. Governing Turkeys would not vote for this; it would need to be a commercial venture.
If enough voters can be made fully aware (it has started) that the problem in this country is PARTIES, they might be persuaded to SPOIL PARTY GAMES.
It must be possible to identify some 鈥渟tarter constituencies鈥 where upstanding a-political persons might be identified and promoted as independent candidates to collect the votes of this newly aware group.
Remember how ungreen the main parties were until The Green Party began to make headway? It鈥檚 the same principle.
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Time for reform?
Adrienne in post 6 is absolutely right.
I haven鈥檛 contributed to the Newsnight blog for quite some time, I鈥檝e been resting from my usual windups designed to provoke conversation, but THIS (below) is a VERY serious suggestion:
We have seen reform of the House of Lords. It is now time for reform of the House of Commons. This is well overdue.
I鈥檓 very surprised and annoyed to learn that MP鈥檚 live such a generously rewarded lifestyle at the expense of the tax payer. The case of 鈥榚mbezzling鈥 conservative MP Derek Conway and his generously provided for luxury lifestyle for himself and his family (who are NOT MP鈥檚) aside, I am appalled that every single MP is rewarded with above average salary, expense accounts, generous allowances and equally generous protected employment conditions, which, uniquely and rather unfairly includes exemption from the Freedom of Information Act. Whilst the rest of society has to accept low pay, costs of inflation, home mortgage repossessions, a failing NHS, an over stressed police force, crumbling armed services and a government which gives every impression that it does not care. I have a solution for you:
The taxpayer wants to see every penny given in tax accounted for and spent wisely for the good of the country. I don鈥檛 class lining MP鈥檚 pockets with public money as being 鈥榝or the good of the country.鈥
Not only are MP鈥檚 paid for by the taxpayer, but also any 鈥榮taff鈥 which they want to help them. My solution has been suggested before, not just by members of the public but also by politicians; In this modern age there are too many MP鈥檚 in the House of Commons. Communications are better than ever before; - e-mail, the Internet, better personal transport etc make the life of a modern MP much easier that his/her counterparts of previous ages. It has been calculated that the House of Commons could safely cut ONE THIRD of the present number. All UK Constituencies would need to be reorganised to be ONE THIRD bigger. Keeping a fair or equal initial balance of Party MP鈥檚 would maintain a system of fairness. Not only would a third of MP鈥檚 be selected to go (selection could be by consent, early retirement and by lottery) but their support staff would also go. Legislation MUST be created to require Parliament to account for every penny of taxpayer鈥檚 money it spends. From this basis it is clear that a massive saving to the public purse would be of benefit to the whole of the country. In addition to this, future employment vacancies for staff should be widely advertised to the general public.
Looking to the future, as all concerned citizens should be: It is good to see another tenet for change slowly gaining popularity. Party politics are, by their nature, divisive and therefore harmful to the general interest. What the people of this country want is good government, not selfish 鈥榦ne-upmanship鈥, which is, sadly, a strong feature of Party politics. A non-party system of independent representatives is what is needed. A good MP is one who strives to do the best for his Constituents irrespective of narrow Party lines. I strongly believe that MP鈥檚 should be elected on their Constituency mandate, NOT Party dictates. Therefore, the electorate would be voting for individuals, NOT Parties. Under this system, government would consist of all those individuals voted for by the electorate, making such a Government one of unity and not of Party division. This can only be good for the Country.
I hope that others will join me in lobbying Parliament and local MP鈥檚 on the matter of reform of the House of Commons.
Peter D Dewar-Finch.
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One factor that has not been discussed in the debate about MP's expenses is the fact that they all stand to make many thousands of pounds capital gain on their London properties when they leave office. As the taxpayer has funded the purchase of these properties should there not be a mechanism for some of the capital gain to be repaid to the Inland Revenue?
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If any of these politians are found to be using relatives to claim expenses for employment that they are not doing. Will they be prosecuted?
Surely it is just the same as a person who falsely claims benefits when they shouldn't have done so, they get a criminal record. So why should we overlook these people who are in parliment to act on our behalf, I personally think they are worse than benefit fraudsters.
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Why restrict this to family members? What about other forms of nepotism that would be barred in normal employment, such as employment only of those of the same faith, the same ethnicity, or the same politics? Suggestions that MP's staff should be employed directly by parliament would surely mean they too were controlled?
But perhaps we should think twice. Perhaps MP's own staff should be outside that system? After all, these are people who have voted the rest of us employment protection much greater (albeit still insufficient) than they have themselves. As soon as an election is called, they, and their staff, are instantly unemployed. Would their staff being selected and employed by parliament not bring MPs further towards being part of the machinery of state, instead of being our accountable representatives, than the party machinery has already? Make it the more likely we will have almost useless party placeholders, lobby-fodder fearful of losing their job, unwilling, or perhaps incapable of acting as they should when there is a conflict?
Perhaps the present controversy should be seen as a fairly exceptional (within Westminster) case of unrestrained greed masquerading as a part of a man's political beliefs, as seems rather widespread these days? Could it be that the Tory leader's willingness to sacrifice more independence of MPs is less ethical than taking an opportunity to acquire more power for his party machine, and deflect attention from his party's responsibility for promoting "greed is good" since Thatcher became their leader?
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