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One wonders what the implications will be for Gordon Brown's approach to detention for terror suspects, of last night's revelations that it is too time-consuming to carry out ANY criminal record checks on foreigners working air-side. Plus, do we as passengers want to observe a 2 hour delay at arrivals, when security is effectively nil? Can we turn up evidence of a worker having sympathy with Gihad, working at Heathrow? What does it take to get a ministerial resignation out of this Govt?

The air side CRB check story is not relevent to Islamic terrorists like Al Quaeda who are brainwashed people on a moral crusade against the immoral west. Therefore they are unlikely to have criminal records. It would have been more relevant for IRA terrorists so why didn't the conservatives introduce it sooner.

Criminal Records checks are also only relevant if the criminal is caught. meaning you only catch people who are not very good at crime.

On the unchallenged video clip rant that David Davies made he said 'if its good enough for passengers. Why not for foreign air side workers'. It has already been said that air side workers have the same security checks as passengers. Is he saying passengers have a CRB check as well?

CRB checks were only introduced in 2003 by Labour because apparently 2001 was a landmark in airport security? Apparently there was no terrorism before then. Was a 747 exploding over Lockerbie not that important because it was only Scotland? Is Mr Davies is saying Margaret Thatcher was rubbish at security policy and he would be much better?

Typical Tory Scaremongering by the Conservatives. Typically unchallenged by the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ pandering to people who write angry letters to 'Have your say' and 'points of view'. A few angry letters claiming a liberal left bias and you cave in and turn into Fox News

HORN LOCK OR BELLY BOUNCE

I doubt Wendy and Alex have a horn between them, let alone sufficient to lock.
Their weapon is more the chubby smile of complacent contempt! But it is good to see two Scottish politicians still functioning in Scotland; I had come to the conclusion most are in Westminster, appearing on our screens almost daily.

Very much enjoyed the interview with David Miliband last night. What was excellent about it was the number of specific cross-cutting questions which were put to him on climate change and food security. Some of these have never been given a proper airing in the public domain, so newnight is again leading the debate! You cannot conceivably talk about the resource crunch without talking about the price of petrol. The question on whether Northern nations will be obliged to grant people from the South asylum was particularly interesting.

Re-2. Oh my aching sides.
What a strange deluded world of unsupported assertions you live in. Thus we learn according to your "analysis", that the prison population here, and in all countries, for all time, is made up of those who are 'not very good at crime' and is mirrored by a whole new community, as yet undetected by us mere mortals, of those who are very good at it. Sadly for your case, no criminal anyone has ever heard of has failed to hit prison at some time or other.
In the light of your obvious twin- loathing for those interested in having their say, and for the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳, one wonders why you go to the trouble of logging on to 'Have your say' spot, on the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ site.

Ironic to see so many people worried about unfairness to British Criminals.

re : 5 I meant CRB checks only catch those who have been caught and given a criminal record. So there could be British criminals working air side. They give a false sense of security. Like the false sense of security you would get by voting conservative.

Do you think that angry Paxman rant style interview was justified? How fair was the David Davies Interview? a bit one sided I thought.

Grumpy Jon, you contradict yourself here

you say you dont believe that there is a class of criminal who don't get caught and then you hark about how no minister is ever held responsible.

the simple answer to the whole thing is that we as people should wake up and stop falling for false flag terror events.

Ho Grumpy Jon! Wanna summer job as a beater for my Domesday Book?

SEAL UP OR GIVE UP (originally posted on other thread)

I can't help feeling it is time for a New- Millennium Domesday Book. I bet it is possible under 'Anti Terror' law! We should close all ways in and out of the mainland for as long as it takes, and then identify (and tag?) every last human 'in residence' . Boy would we be in for some surprises! If we can't or won't, then it is time to declare ouselves a non-island (Orwell would love that) and just give up.

Re: Mr. Miliband.

100+ questions posed. A few asked live. It will be interesting to see what we get, as promised, subsequently... today? And where?

If this is not front page news today, throughout the UK at least, I will have answers to some key questions.

Ban Ki Moon has called AGW 'the single greatest threat to humanity'. Hard to get on board with this by most current piecemeal, contradictory, politically opportunistic and frankly hypocritical behaviours.

Yet government is still just tinkering around the edges when the mood suits.

If, as claimed in Mr Harrabin's accompanying piece, it will take a 1,000 more computer systems to confirm this issue once and for all, one way or the other, why not just DO it? This is the future of the planet, apparently.

If this is as serious as claimed, why not put it on every and any agenda you (government and media) can think of, starting now, where practical to the exclusion of all else?

I wondered if anything said, discussed, promised and shared during a minor late-night news show watched by a small minority of the population, complemented by a few hundred others on this website, is going to make any difference to what anyone actually DOES any time soon, vs. waffling on?

Front page news? Barely a serious % of commentary the very next day even here!

And I have my answer.

AGW ALL GASEOUS WAFFLE

Hi Tinyfirstlady. I am of the view that AGW is a convenient truth but not proven true. More to the point, it gives rise to the mad notion that we must reduce atmospheric CO2 to recover the good old days of acceptable climate. This is so blatantly politic-think. The Ancient Greeks had it right. They said: ‘All is flux.’ They might just as well have said (in subtext): ‘Climate will change.’ More recent Boy Scouts would say: ‘Be prepared.’ I cannot tell you what Ancient Greek Boy Scouts said, but it is clear to me that PRIMARY EFFORT should be preparation for the unpredictable.
Miliband is a politician. Under our system that makes him an expert on whatever post he is given. (Which is why Ed Balls ‘knows’ about education!) But scientific rigour is IN THE BONES, and Milibones do not have it.

Earth is a planet intimately bound up in a solar system wherein electrical flows through the plasma of space, play a major (as yet unquantified) part in its fortunes.
Weather is very electric.
This heretical statement is based on over 50 years of GOOD SCIENCE that orthodoxy
(big bang, black holes, dark matter, dark energy et al) refuses to countenance. The forces that control Earth and her climate are hardly known and little understood. The forces that impinge daily are denied and ignored. I doubt Miliband knows anything of the above.

Politicians like stuff they can tackle and be seen tackling. Preparing for the unknown is way beyond their capability; I won’t mention pay-grade. It’s all a big board game to them. They move us pawns around and ‘see what happens’. Ask not what you can do to reduce your carbon footprint – ask what is your height above sea level and your vulnerability to wind, and pay close attention to Ray Mears . . .

Re7.Hello Hank.
I was making the point that since most criminals are present somewhere in the various record-systems, it seems reasonable that a Govt that crows about its vigilance, and inconveniences us routinely in the name of same, should be held responsible for its failures in this area. Clearly the 'checks' and the work done by the Minister for said checks, are figments of this crumbling Govt's imagination.