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Anne McElvoy takes guests and listeners alike to the edges of their certainties. She brings together two figures who are active in the public debate on opposed sides of a political question.

Anne is joined by conflict resolution specialist Gabrielle Rifkind to lead the two guests through a series of structured conversations to encourage them to air the personal experiences, instincts and feelings that underpin their public positions. Together Anne and Gabrielle invite guests to do something that doesn't often feature in debates: really listen to each other.

Joining Anne and Gabrielle this week, to discuss whether direct action, physical force and even violence can be politically justified are Timothy Stanley, author and columnist for the Daily Telegraph, and Mark Serwotka, General Secretary of the Public and Commercial Services Union.

Producer: Phil Tinline.