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They make everything from the software we use at work, to games consoles and laptops. Microsoft says eventually it wants to remove all of the carbon it's emitted since 1975, but in the meantime its emissions are still rising.

So what is the company doing to tackle that and is it right to place so much emphasis on technology that does not exist at scale yet, to remove carbon from the atmosphere? Fliss and Deborah grill Musidora Jorgensen, Chief Sustainability Officer at Microsoft UK.

Also: carbon footprint expert Professor Mike Berners-Lee talks to listener Joey about how he can live a greener life. Joey knows that one big thing many of us can do to lower our footprint is to make our homes more energy efficient. But, like millions of us, he rents and so there's very little about his flat that he can change. But with the professor's help, he learns what he can do instead and how much of a difference those changes will make. There's some good tips there for anyone who wants to understand more about their impact on the planet.

Plus Deborah reveals what computer games the Dragons play between the pitches on Dragons' Den. And does Fliss need to delete her 135,000 unread emails?

With Deborah Meaden and Felicity Hannah.

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Production team: Lexy O'Connor, Luke Wilson, Hal Haines, Natasha Johannsen, Justin Bones.

Useful links
https://energysavingtrust.org.uk/shivering-winter-wonderland-7-top-tips-make-your-home-warmer/