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Andrew Benson | 10:30 UK time, Thursday, 18 March 2010

Welcome to the second edition of our 2010 classic grand prix series.

, which has been on the calendar for 25 years, provides rich pickings, so we have not had to scour the archives from other events as we did for two weeks ago.

As ever, we are asking you to tell us which is your favourite race and why. We will read your comments and use them to make a decision on which race to feature in the run-up to next week's 2010 Australian Grand Prix.

If the race we pick is from the era when the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ owned the rights to F1 - i.e. until 1996, and from 2009 - we will show the full 'Grand Prix' highlights programme of the time as well as the shorter highlights we cut for all the races.

This time, four of the five choices fall in the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ eras.

Having chosen , , , and last year, the first Australian selection this year is the inaugural Grand Prix in Adelaide in , a race that was packed with action from beginning to end.

Williams collided with Lotus on the first lap, putting the Englishman out and leaving the Brazilian to challenge the new leader, Mansell's team-mate , father of current Mercedes driver .

The two battled for much of the race before Senna, caught by surprise when Rosberg dived into the pits for tyres, ran into the back of the Williams and broke his front wing.

Senna rejoined the race third behind Rosberg and the McLaren of , who was driving the final race of his career. When Rosberg made a second stop for tyres, dropping him to third, the Austrian legend appeared on course for a fairytale finale only to suffer brake trouble and crash.

Senna inherited the lead, with Rosberg right behind him, but held it for just three laps before he retired with an engine problem, leaving Rosberg to cruise to the finish ahead of the Ligiers of and .

button2.jpgJenson Button claimed his first race victory for Brawn at last year's Australian Grand Prix

Our next choice, , saw a great battle between those titans of the 1980s - Senna, , Mansell, and .

The race finished with Piquet's Benetton in front, just managing to hold off a late-race charge from Mansell's Ferrari, but on the way there was some superb racing as Piquet climbed up from seventh on the grid, Senna and Mansell battled over the lead - a fight ended when the Englishman went up an escape road - and Senna crashed after a gearbox glitch.

The final race in Adelaide before the race moved to current host city is our third selection - and it is a race that will not provide happy memories for.

The Scot was on course for an easy win in his final race for Williams before moving to McLaren but he crashed into the wall on his way into the pits for his first stop and that was the end of his race.

His exit handed the lead to team-mate , who went on to dominate the race - a result, he told me a couple of years ago, that helped him clear his mind of the drubbing he had been given by Benetton in the championship that year and get his head straight for a successful title assault in 1996.

It was not the end of the action, though, as Schumacher, trying to climb through the field after a poor start, retired when he collided with the Ferrari of , and the attrition rate was so high that Olivier Panis finished second for Ligier ahead of the Footwork of .

We next switch to - an action-packed event that started on a damp track which was so borderline in terms of the choice between wet and dry tyres that McLaren driver pitted for dries at the end of the formation lap!

There was action throughout with various tyre changes playing out, a safety car, a collision between Raikkonen and Michael Schumacher as they battled for the lead and, finally, a catastrophic error by . The Colombian, leading, spun at Turn One eight laps from the end, handing victory to Coulthard's McLaren.

Finally, there is - first victory for Brawn, featuring a late-race collision as Red Bull's and BMW were battling over second, two safety car periods - and the incident between and that led to the huge that engulfed Hamilton at the next race.

So there you have it. Five superb races. Let us know your thoughts - I will enjoy reading your responses.

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  • Comment number 1.

    So: 85; 90; 95; 03 & 09

    I thought we would have seen 89. However, keeping to the options. I'd probably say that even last years race may be an option (it had a great story).

    Though, for me, it's between: last year; 85 & 90. I'd go for 90 (with it being the 500th GP). Though I'd be happy with any of the five, in all honesty.

    Thanks again to Andrew and team.

  • Comment number 2.

    What about the crazy but very memorable 2002 race... including Aussie Mark Webber's first GP and points win for the emotional Minardi team?!

  • Comment number 3.

    1990 pick of the bunch in my opinion. Probably Piquet's last great drive and a very exciting battle with Mansell at the end.

  • Comment number 4.

    Cheers guys, I echo the sentiments for the 1990 GP. Also highlights of the 2009 would be appreciated. Cheers for your hard work all :)

  • Comment number 5.

    2009 a "superb race"?

    What are you on about?

    There have been many, many better races in Australia than 2009. 2008 was one of them - only 6 cars finished if I remember correctly! The only reason you're showing 2009 is because you can trumpet your own ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ team.

    But I realise we get no say in the matter, so I look forward to whatever highlights you offer..

  • Comment number 6.

    1985 race please, for all the action you describe. Last year's race was not a "classic" and I'm sure we all have this stored ourselves anyway.
    It's nice to watch the older stuff and remember the times when overtaking was possible, drivers had to change gear manually, no powersteering, turbos and 1000bhp!

  • Comment number 7.

    I'll pick 1985, as i havent seen that one.

  • Comment number 8.

    I would like to see the classic title deciders of 1986 and 1994 when both of our great english drivers were robbed of the world championship. 1991 was a good race until Senna rammed Mansell off the track.

  • Comment number 9.

    Melbourne 2003.

    Brilliant race with variable weather conditions. Raikonen and Schumacher had a memorable scrap and Montoya spun to give Coulthard the eventual win.

    Very good race.

  • Comment number 10.

    85 and 90 both sound great - 85 just wins for me.

  • Comment number 11.

    Of those, 2003 is my favourite race - however seeing as I'd like to see full highlights rather than just a short clip, my shout goes for 1995, purely for Murray's brilliant reaction to DC stuffing it into the wall.... "and into the pitlane....arghhhhhh"

  • Comment number 12.

    1990 for me. The opening laps with Senna and Mansell 1st and 2nd were great.

  • Comment number 13.

    1990 or 1995 for me please!

  • Comment number 14.

    My picks are either 85 (from my favourite F1 era - the crash, bang, wallop mid-80s turbo cars), or 90 as a chance to see some great drivers in action - any race in which the top 6 on the grid are Senna, Berger, Mansell, Prost, Alesi and Patrese has got to be worth seeing.

    Whilst neither might be considered 'classics' in the true sense of the word, they both have a good story and go a long way to explaining people's obsession with Formula 1, however dull it may seem to the non-fanatics!

  • Comment number 15.

    1990 sounds a good one, I'll opt for that.

  • Comment number 16.

    1990, would love to see Adelaide again, and loved that period of F1

  • Comment number 17.

    Must say 1990.

    Cheers.

  • Comment number 18.

    it a close one this time between all 5 but i think 1985 just get my vote

    But i would be happy any of the others. Apart from the 2003 race even though it was a great race it is just simply it was on ITV and you wouldn't get a 30 minute highlights programme

    and thanks again Andrew and the team

  • Comment number 19.

    I look forward to seeing 2003 (shortform) but in terms of the "³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ era" choices, I vote for 1995.

    Roll on next week!

  • Comment number 20.

    1990 on freeview please.

  • Comment number 21.

    1987! great tussle between senna , prost, alboreto and berger. good race. or 1985 great battle between senna and rosberg if I recall correctly.

  • Comment number 22.

    1990 for me please.

    -Kobyashi, wierd post: a race that's not a choice, dissing a choice and an assertion that you aren't given a choice?? Yet you felt the need to share that...

  • Comment number 23.

    1995 - Morbidelli was so funny in interview after!!

  • Comment number 24.

    I'll vote for 1985, It was a great race to watch. 1990 was also good as was 2009 but the other 2 were not so.

  • Comment number 25.

    WOuld love to see 2009 as i missed it first time around. But 2003 wuld be awsome as well.

    Hmmm lets go 2003

  • Comment number 26.

    Can't have 2008 so got to be 2003! :)

  • Comment number 27.

    I miss Adelaide. I've got it on an old race sim, and it's a real challenge; a busy track that rewards when you get it right. The long back straight sucks you in to overdoing the hairpin. I've got Melbourne too on another sim, which has its moments, but it's just not got the complete package.

    My preference? 1985. I remember there was a real buzz at the time, and if I recall right it was a time where, had '85 been no good, there was a chance there'd be no Aus86.

    So 1985 it is.

    Sat and Freeview would be nice.

  • Comment number 28.

    Seen them all, except the actual full highlights of 1991. I saw it once(at the actual time it originally aired), and I remember a musical montage at the end if it.
    I would love to see it again - in full. :)

  • Comment number 29.

    1990, for definite.

    I don't have Freeview, will this be available to watch online?

  • Comment number 30.

    I'll go for 1985, mainly because we won't get full highlights of the 2003 race.

  • Comment number 31.

    @ neilmurg, comment 22.

    I wasn't voting for 2008, I'm not one of those people who votes for races we can't vote for! ;-)

    I was just questioning why 2009 was considered a better race.

    The 2009 Australia highlights are already on the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ website here :


  • Comment number 32.

    Last year was amazing but will go for 1995 in Adelaide, a track I still miss. Great race with Hill winning and a Footwork on the podium!!

  • Comment number 33.

    1990. always good to see some greats battle it out

  • Comment number 34.

    Tough 1 to call, thanks for the 2003 one Andrew you obviously were taking notice of my suggestion! It's between 1990 and 2003, but I'd go for 1990 as I havent seen the full race highlights ever.

  • Comment number 35.

    What about 2002?!?! Massive first corner crash, many other retirements, 2 disqualifications, 8 finishers and 5th for Webber in the Minardi! That was a classic grand prix.

    Out of the 5 choices I am going to go for 2009. That also was an epic race and a 1-2 for Brawn GP!

  • Comment number 36.

    1995 would be nice to see, as well as 1993 i think. 2003 was a great race, i remember Schumi's bargeboard coming off.

  • Comment number 37.

    An excellent selection again, THANKS!!
    Very tempted by '95 to see Damon win, and to hear Murray's reaction DC's accident, made me laugh at the time and sure it will now!

    Think i'll go for 1990, look forward to seeing Adelaide again, so much better than Melbourne, and i like Melbourne!!

    Can't wait for next week, think i'm in the minority in that i actually quite enjoying Bahrain.

  • Comment number 38.

    @31 - I guess that video will need to be edited a little though, since ultimately Hamilton was penalised and not Trulli

  • Comment number 39.

    I'd love to see either 1990 or 1995.

    I also think it's a waste of an option to keep including last year's races as most of us will be able to remember them.

    I think this service will be much improved if the selections are based on 5 of the best from history, rather than 4 of the best + last year.

  • Comment number 40.

    Id like to see 1995 please!!

  • Comment number 41.

    I'd like to see the very first aussie gp from 85, , but also the 56 race when Mnasell was so close to his first title and was robbed by a tyre failure.

  • Comment number 42.

    would love to see 2003, action packed right the way through, from start to finish and was david coulthard's last victory

  • Comment number 43.

    Ooooh. Gonna have to go with 1990 - although 85 was a corker. 96 was dull apart from DC's shunt and 2003 and 2009 are hardly classics.

  • Comment number 44.

    95 is my choice. What a crazy race that was! I am surprised '97 isnt on the list as that was a fantastic race as well (Williams dominating then breaking down, Coulthard winning, Hill almost not qualifying and the Lola's that were 11 seconds off the pace.)

  • Comment number 45.

    Hmm, I think I'll vote for 1995.
    Although, like several others, I would have liked to have had the option of seeing the 2002 race again. That had so much going on and to see Mark Webber score 2 points for Minardi on his debut was just fantastic.

  • Comment number 46.

    1985 - Rosberg giving Senna another lesson in how not to be bullied.

  • Comment number 47.

    1995 race. Didn't Hill more or less lap everyone else?

    Andrew - can you explain why you are unable/unwilling to use the ITV F1 coverage? Surely you have the rights to it as part of the "back-catalogue"?

  • Comment number 48.

    1985 please.

  • Comment number 49.

    Well for me it has to be the 1994 GP, lets face it, you couldnt get any more contraversial than that. That race and inparticular the Schumacher/Hill incident will be talked about forever.

    The first of 7 world titles for Schuey! plus we will get to see all the highlights as its a ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ one! :-)

  • Comment number 50.

    1990 for me, I would like to see the waterlogged GP again, was it 89? I have vagure memories of Piquet pirroweting on one of the kerbs?

    But 1990 for this year...

  • Comment number 51.

    1985 please. Great battle between Senna and Rosberg.

  • Comment number 52.

    2009 was a landmark result and probably the best 'feel good' race I've experienced in 25 years of following this sport.

    I'd vote for 1995 though if for nothing else to hear Alan Jones refer to Michael Schumacher as an 'arrogant kraut' when Michael and Jean Alesi clashed one final time.

  • Comment number 53.

    1995.

  • Comment number 54.

    1995 please. Cos it had drama.

  • Comment number 55.

    Last year was a fantastic formula one moment. After the troubles in the winter, to see Jenson win, with Rubens in tow was amazing. And as much as i love to see these moments, that didnt make it a great race. Having looked at all the options I cant wait to see them all. Would like to see Damon do one on Schumi, and Montoyas spin as well as the Senna Mansell incident. If I am forced to vote I will prob go for 95. I know it looks as if 1990 is going to win, but they are all such good options that it doesn't matter.

    PS, Andrew, how about in future you post last years classic gp winner, as well as some new options, to stop people asking for races that are not availiable. Otherwise it will kick off big time when you have to decide on the Belgian options. (98)

    Facemandave

  • Comment number 56.

    1990 sounds like an exciting race, I'd go for that.


    1985 is up on google video. A watch-worthy race only for seeing Senna hunting down Keke Rosberg.

  • Comment number 57.

    Andrew

    Well done, great selection here.

    I'll vote for 1985.

    Obviously, Regardless of day or time, if you can get them onto Freeview for even a single run, it'd be greatly appreciated.

    Based on the comments on your last Classic Grand Prix Blog, i can't believe more people haven't voted for the best Australian Grand Prix being Spa 1998 yet? ;-)

    Cheers

  • Comment number 58.

    I'd like to see 1985 personally as it was the 1st Aussie GP, thanks :)

  • Comment number 59.

    It may have been on ITV but I'd love 2003 please!

  • Comment number 60.

    personally id say 2009, for a few reasons, first of all becuase it was the start of the best season i have had the pleasure to see, but also because it'll remind me of how good F1 was before re-fueling was removed. ah those days were fun. on a side not i somehow doubt this years GP would ever feature in one of these choices, no points for guessing why!

  • Comment number 61.

    I'm looking forward to watching the chosen race, it'll be the highlight of next week's race weekend, let's face it, the contempory offering is unlikely to go down as a classic. I'm staggered at how much feeling there is on all the forums about the lack of racing spectacle this year.

  • Comment number 62.

    My choice would be between 95 and 03. I'm sure 03 would be better, but we're only shooting ourselves in the foot with that choice, so I'll go with 95.

    I think that 09 is too recent & too fresh for these votes. The vast coverage that went on last year means a lot was covered then. It's better to look back to a time when we only had Sportsnight edits, or when the programme cut to live because the tape equipment didn't allow re-edits once playing. Getting *that* kind of history online is well worthwhile.

    Will we still get highlights of 03 on Freeview? Or only online?

  • Comment number 63.

    I would like to see the 2003 win by Daid Coulthard, he qualified 11th and went on to win,i dont remember this win but would love to see how he did this.
    Nick

  • Comment number 64.

    1985 please.

    ...and here's an idea.

    Why not get the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ incorporate the classic highlights into Sunday's race. They could show the first couple of laps then cut to one of the shorter highlights, then the first, and only round, of pit stops, then the rest of the highlights, including the the extended highlights and then return to the race in time to the final few laps of the race. This way we'll get to see some exciting action without missing any of the action from the race.

  • Comment number 65.

    1985 please, but 90 or 95 would be great as well.

    2003 was good, but we'll get short highlights whatever we say so it's a wasted "vote", and 2009 too fresh really to be a classic now (but it will be in a few years, more for the story than the on-track action.)

    Thanks again to all the team, these are probably the best bits of the beeb's F1 coverage.

  • Comment number 66.

    1) 1994 - Damon Hill Vs Michael Schumacher.
    2) 2003 - Action packed wet/dry race.
    3) 2008 - Lewis Hamilton's dominance and Rosbergs first podium.

  • Comment number 67.



    all highlights so far

  • Comment number 68.

    1990 - the last era where you did not know who was going to win....unlike more recent years where only a limited number of drivers have the chance to win! Also seeing "Il Leone" is always welcome!

  • Comment number 69.

    I vote for 1990. The end of that race was unbelievable.

  • Comment number 70.

    1995 would get my vote. It was trilling to see so many retirements in the race as well as the upset of Morbidelli in the Arrows finishing on the podium. There was also a Sixth place finish for Lamy in the Minardi and Forti just finished outside the points in seventh because Panis's smoking Ligier just managed to last the distance.

    There was also the extremely funny duel between Frentzen and Blundell, which resulted in a freindly gesture from the Sauber driver!

    2003 was great to because after the bore fest of 2002 F1 needed an exciting race and we got it straight away for the new season! Ferrari fell apart in this race which was great to see after their smashing of the opposition the previous year.

  • Comment number 71.

    1995 was my first Australian GP experience and so for that reason I vote for it.

  • Comment number 72.

    Last year for me. Watching history unfold. Just an incredible race with the best start off the grid I have ever seen (Button streaking away) and for me this was just a brilliant race, a brand new team coming in and finishing 1,2? Superb.

  • Comment number 73.

    2002,definitely!

  • Comment number 74.

    1990 for me, great race and would love to see the highlights of it again.

  • Comment number 75.

    I think the 1985 GP should be shown.

    The reason being it was the last GP to have 5 World Champions on the grid.

    The previous race only had 4 because Prost wasn't a World Champion until Australia.

    Go for it!!!

  • Comment number 76.

    1985 please - first Australian GP, last race for Lauda, last win for Rosberg

  • Comment number 77.

    Hi all,

    Thanks for the strong resonse so far. To answer a couple of questions:

    Why 2009? We are probably going to make last year's race a choice on all the selections this year. The reason for this is that it ties in with the thinking behind this feature, which is to promote F1 by showing how good it can be, and to whet people's appetites ahead of this year's race. In that context, it seems sensible to remind them what happened last year.

    To Jordan D (post 47): It's not that we're "unable or unwilling to use the ITV F1 coverage", as you put it. We do indeed have rights to it - but we do not have the resources to cut 30-minute highlights packages just for this feature.

    Why not list last year's choices to avoid people asking for them? I have done at the start of the blog. I guess some respondents didn't see that paragraph.

  • Comment number 78.

    Andrew, I think the "Classics" feature is really great and long may it continue, but I still can't see the logic and reasoning of including last year's race in this section. I just think it's a wasted option when there are some many past true classics to choose from.

  • Comment number 79.

    1985 for me, or 1990.

  • Comment number 80.

    Another comic gem from the 1995 race I forgot about - Frentzen giving Blundell the middle finger and yet another classic reaction from Murray

  • Comment number 81.

    Would love to see 1990 or 1985. Don't mind which. Both were great.

  • Comment number 82.

    @Andrew Benson in comment 77. Don't forget ITV did do an hour highlights show (45 minutes remove commercials) as well, which would be perfectly adequate, wouldn't it? ;)

  • Comment number 83.

    Melbourne 03 for me. Purely selfish reason - i was there and have never seen any of the race on tv!

  • Comment number 84.

    To D_M_N (post 82),

    We don't have those ITV highlights shows, only the full footage from the F1 "world feed".

  • Comment number 85.

    All great choices, but I'm going to go for 1995.

  • Comment number 86.

    1990 for me please. Any scrap between Mansell and Senna has got to be worth another look, even if the Ferrari didn't end up winning!

  • Comment number 87.

    1996. If that is one of the choices, im confused by the topic and peoples replys. So far i have counted votes for 1985 1986 1990 1991 1994 1995 1996 2003 and 2009???

    Either way which ever is chosen it would be nice if you could put the full race on the website not just the highlights. In my opinion the whole idea of highlights is so people who don't care about the sport know what happened. Highlights simply spoil the magic of a full race to a fan like my self and isn't worth watching.

  • Comment number 88.

    Some great choices:

    I am gonna vote for 1996!

    Last seasons race was awesome, I think one of the classic aussie races but I remember that one clearly. 1985 highlights sound very good, that would be my 2nd choice.

    The reason I'm choosing 96 is because it sounds like an action packed race, I wanna laugh at Dave crash in the pits, I wanna see Schu battle hard in his 1st season with Ferrari and I love that seasons Williams! one of my fav F1 cars of all time.

    I think this seasons race in Australia will be miles better than that of the Bahrain.

  • Comment number 89.

    I'm voting 95' ignore the above post :))

  • Comment number 90.

    1994 Damon H. vs Micheal S.
    1996 Brundle vs His Car
    2003 Drivers vs Weather
    2006 Saftey car vs Everyone
    2008 Hamilton vs Nothing!

    94' was history in the making, 96' was a thrilling race with Martin Brundle's horor crash 03' was full of we and dry weather, 06' was very eventfull 08' Hamilton's perfect drive

  • Comment number 91.

    Bring me 1990!

  • Comment number 92.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 93.

    I would like to pick 1990 please, love the era, and would love to see Adelaide again.

  • Comment number 94.

    I'd like 1990.

    That was the era which turned me into the F1 nut I now am. I'd pay good money to see today's drivers in those cars.

  • Comment number 95.

    For me it's got to be 85 or 90, hard choice to choose between them.

    So I'll go for '1990' Just for the driver line up.

    You know you are getting old when you see the young pups of today and think, 'What would the old guys do the with todays cars if they had them then'. And I keep thinking 'MORE'. It would have been nice to have mixed MS, LH & FA, up with them. The rest of todays drivers just don't have it. Only the above three can driver a poor car well.

    By the way, if its a classic race your after AB, you can't add last years race. One year does not make a classic.

  • Comment number 96.

    From the choice given, 1990. Adelaide for me was a far better circuit than Melbourne. I remember when it rain, well more like someone upstairs left a tap on. Always so much of it.
    Personally though, I think 1993 should be on the list. 1993 ended fittingly with Senna winning his last race with McLaren. Who could have forseen it would have been the great mans last ever Grand Prix win, with months later Senna killed at Imola.

  • Comment number 97.

    Would say 1990 in terms of Adelaide but happy if 1996 if it has to be Melbourne. So either '90 or '96 will do for me fine.

  • Comment number 98.

    1995 was used as a picture! why can't we have that one as an option. Seeing 2002 Win would be sad because the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ havn't got the rights to show the full highlights for when ITV had F1, a good race though. I'm not bothered really nice to be able to watch the old races!

    But I haven't written this post for nothing so I'm going to vote for 1995 or that's not an option 1991...

  • Comment number 99.

    Three good races there, 1985, 1990 and 1995, I much preferred Adelaide to Melbourne

    It's a difficult one but I think 1990 would just edge it for me, with the Piquet/Mansell battle, which I think was there first since the Williams Honda days of 1986/1987


  • Comment number 100.

    2002!
    2002!
    2002!
    2002!
    2002!
    Pleeease!

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