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Sinning and spinning

  • Betsan Powys
  • 27 Apr 07, 02:56 PM

I've headed West but seeing as how you asked the story surrounding "the infamous Ruthin hustings" has been online for a while and was covered at lunchtime on radio bulletins.

For those of you who have no idea what I'm talking about here is

We're still trying to contact all the candidates who were there so we can check their recollection of what Darren Millar did, or did not, say. Call us fussy ... but one contact number we were given so we could confirm the story turned out to be for someone who passed away some weeks ago.

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  • 1.
  • At 06:01 PM on 27 Apr 2007,
  • Ceri Evans wrote:

Here's a tip if you are running out of numbers. Why don't you try calling Nick Bourne, the Leader of the Tories in Wales, who have as their candidate in their most winnable seat, a right-wing bigot.

Why don't any of you have the guts to ask Nick Bourne what he thinks about Darren Millar's comments on homosexuality?


John Broughton, who was at the hustings, says that Darren Millar "categorically did not say homosexuality is a sin; the UKIP candidiate however did say it is a sin."

Seems to me that this just more of New Labour's smeer-when-you're-losing tactic.

  • 3.
  • At 09:15 PM on 27 Apr 2007,
  • John Mordin wrote:

Betsan - you ran your labour/plaid story on the back a completely anonymous comment. You are now getting cold feet about something said in front of a hundred people......

  • 4.
  • At 11:01 PM on 27 Apr 2007,
  • Dave wrote:


Millar should be ashamed of his comments. He works for Open Doors. Just check that organisation out for yourself and make your own mind up on the man.

  • 5.
  • At 11:26 PM on 27 Apr 2007,
  • Alun Pugh AM wrote:

A real shame that you didn't get a journalist there.

How about an in depth studio discussion with all the Clwyd West candidates on the school curriculum and the equalities agenda. I'd be up for it. So would Plaid and the Lib Dems I guess. Warwick Nicholson the UKIP man would be there too.

Given the atmosphere in Ruthin last night it certainly would make good viewing - and would nail the problem of did he really say "homosexuals are sinners"? So what's the problem?

  • 6.
  • At 01:39 AM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Allen Binai wrote:

Can I ask a question please ? Do you get to listen to the Jerry Doyle show ? He broadcast his show from Las Vegas, Nevada. I was listening tonight, and was impressed that he was articulate on what all the political ramifications on what the Democrats are doing with their talks in South Carolina today. What will happen to the political strategist in Washington ? Will they yield to the left or right ? One can only wonder, as we are precepts in this mindful dogma of what our politicians can or will do for us. At what level will you say that any parent who replaces their child with a pet, and will go to extremes to pay the veterinarian immediate funds or payments, I do say that it's beyond ones intellegiance. Thank you for your time, Allen

  • 7.
  • At 09:48 AM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Paul Mitchell wrote:

Darren Millar must resign,I was at the meeting the night before last and his views on creationism and homosexuality shocked us all.

I do not know of anyone in the hall who will vote for him now

  • 8.
  • At 11:38 AM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Mat wrote:

Betsan- your blog is not working. It says 7 comments were posted on 'sinning and spinning' but when you click on comments you only get the first comment...

Thanks Mat - I've rebuilt the page. Seems ok now.

  • 10.
  • At 12:08 PM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Helen Jones (Mrs) wrote:

Hello Betsan,

All I know is if you took Mr Millar's comments and replaced the word 'gay' with the word 'black' or 'Jew' or even 'women' - he would have been forced to resign.

But all we've had from the powers that be is a deafening silence. What are their views?

I do not think that is right that they have said nothing as it makes it look like they do not care.

kind wishes
Helen Jones

  • 11.
  • At 04:15 PM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Arfon Jones wrote:

From todays Daily Post it seems quite clear what Darren Millar said so why can't the 成人论坛 spell it out and challenge Nick Bourne and get his view?

  • 12.
  • At 05:18 PM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Bob wrote:

this is a non-story...gutter politics from labour - worried that the minister is going to lose. there were no journalists there and all you have been going on is alun pugh's press release taking comments out of context

  • 13.
  • At 07:34 PM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Arfon Jones wrote:

Bob,

Sorry to disappoint you but I don't come at this story from 'labour gutter politics', and you will see from my other comments on Betsan's and Vaughan Roderick's blog that I will also criticise both Labour and Plaid Cymru when they are deserving of it. I try not to be blinkered by part politics and look at the big picture!

  • 14.
  • At 10:07 PM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • Greg Michaels wrote:

Betsan,

Tom Bodden in today's Daily Post gives you 101% proof that Darren Millar DID make those homophobic comments. The next question is, what are you and the 成人论坛 going to do about it?

Check the link and read for yourself:



  • 15.
  • At 10:14 PM on 28 Apr 2007,
  • BlueFlagRevolution wrote:

If anybody has read this article about these alleged comments then they will see how incredibly vague and non-descript it is!

Nobody can quote anything that went on except the Labour man whose career is at risk! Coincidence? I think not!

I admit, for a story to reach this magnitude it does show the lack of common sense that this Conservative candidate has in handling the media. However, the choice is between a Conservative or a complete idiot Labour AM to represent Clwyd West... again.

Im sure the people of Clwyd West aren't as stupid as to re-elect this sorry excuse for a politician!

  • 16.
  • At 11:55 AM on 29 Apr 2007,
  • Gareth Thomas wrote:

Just read the Daily Post article I am outraged that such outdated views should be being spouted by a Conservative Candidate in the twenty first century.

The fact that he could not give a simply yes or no answer, to me, speaks volumes.

All the other party candidates said he said the same thing.

Given its a Labour-tory marginal it was in the other parties interest NOT to agree with the Labour version, unless of course there was something in it.

I for one will not be voint for Darren Millar

  • 17.
  • At 12:12 PM on 29 Apr 2007,
  • Jenny wrote:

I don't know what to make of this Darren Millar.

He does not seem to have handled this gay crisis at all well, so how good can he be?

He seems like a typica mine-closing, nasty Tory we all remember only too Well.

If elected, I'm sure Darren will be getting chummy with Anne Widdecombe, John Redwood and David Davies.

What kind of option is that from the Conservatives to people in Clwyd West?


  • 18.
  • At 12:08 AM on 11 May 2007,
  • Robert Reed wrote:

Looking at the result in Clwyd West with Darren Millar's comfortbale victory, it seems the rather pathetic Labour smear campaign failed.

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