Cornwall's Lib Dems not that influential (says Daily Telegraph)
Conservative blogger , assisted by "the expert advice of some leading LibDems including an MP, a blogger, a party insider and two pundits" has drawn up a list of the 50 most influential Liberal Democrats. None of them is from Cornwall. I don't detect much science behind Dale's analysis, but as George Orwell once said, "some things are true, even if they are printed in the Daily Telegraph..."
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At 22nd Sep 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:I do not believe he too far from the mark when you consider what influences really runs the country and the lack of them in the South-west of England
I have stayed up in London many times with work and know this LBC they do a show with these bloggers who do a phone-in for one hour, one from each of the "three" main parties with some very surprising results and very stimulating debate, something Radio Cornwall should consider
Good bloggers add creativity and nervousness to the political forum. Like it or not they are taking over from the sanitised news readers who are forced into being impartial and fair to all and sundry. I suspect Iain has no hidden agenda and just being honest which begs the question of why Cornwall has no influence and reading your own blog offers the answer in the form of a few nats running rough shot over everything or could it just be we have been ignored for so long we have become very insular?
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Comment number 2.
At 22nd Sep 2010, backofanenvelope wrote:We have six MPs; they all support the current government. If this government had a majority of 5 and if the Cornish MPs agreed on a joint policy, then they would have leverage. But it doesn't and they don't.
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At 22nd Sep 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:So what is the science behind the Oscars, Brits or the top 40, it is supposed to be subjective
Did Oscar not also say The truth is rarely pure and never simple. I note nobody has asked Iain thus confirming this as a truth which we all furtively knew
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At 24th Sep 2010, rickracoon wrote:Oh dear,"as George Orwell once said" ,no he didnt,he never said this often spouted quote,if journalists actually did some primary research theyd know this,but of course they dont,they just see the "quote"and think"Thats good, Ill use that"
There is quote from Mr Orwell that involves the Telegraph but the context is rather different.
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Comment number 5.
At 24th Sep 2010, Graham Smith wrote:I put my hands up to this - although it's a case of blog first, research later, rather than simply plucking misquotes off the internet. I was sure I'd read this line from Orwell in "Homage To Catalonia" but only after your comment did I discover that there seems to be a web-hosted dispute among academics over whether it's actually in one of his essays: Looking back on the Spanish civil war, England, your England or The Lion & the Unicorn; maybe elsewhere, maybe he never said it at all. "Looking back on the Spanish civil war" certainly does contain the sentiment, but I agree, not the actual quote. Nothing else for it - I'll just have to re-read his entire collected works. Could be worse.
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Comment number 6.
At 26th Sep 2010, Rob wrote:@Graham I've tried looking for the Orwell quote and I can't find it either, but nonetheless I think the point you made holds true. There is little discernable logic behind Dale's article but what manner of science could you possibly use? Anyway I blogged about the subject after reading this very blog so though I'd post it here in a blatant act of self promotion (-:, hope you don;t mind
@Peter Tregantle you answered your own question, Cornish nationalists are the dominant force in internet debates because Cornwall is largely ignored by successive governments of all colours. To be honest as much as Dick Cole, John Angarrack or a whole host of others would like to see themselves as leading the nationalist movement and creating debate, its simply not true. The centralised government in London is and always will be the greatest recruitment officer that Mebyon Kernow could ever have, a cynical nationalist might even see this whole Devonwall fiasco as a blessing in disguise.
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Comment number 7.
At 27th Sep 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:Unlike some I have no problems with Cornish nationalism. I am unable to comprehend how it can ever work and for that reason alone I decline to support it, but here are a few thoughts of whom supports this fringe movement
I can show you a website where an Australian, Scottish and Welsh person all pretend to be Cornish and encourage the few remaining nats to hate the English. Mostly coming from one Celtic protest group, I can even show you a person born in North England spouting anti-English rhetoric; people like this will always find things to hate
Rob you have been hanging around the above site for too long, nobody in Cornwall 2010 speaks the way you do.
Think this one through we (the real Cornish living in Cornwall) refer to other areas of England as UP COUNTRY, but lets think through this comment because ironically that country must be England. Extremist parties fair poorly in this country because the English by nature are moderate and tolerant people. MK is on a par whatever new name Anjem Choudary party is using and the BNP, in fact I am sure all people who support all these parties are cut from the cloth. I had more respect for Screaming Lord Sutch because at least he was honest in what he stood for, unlike the sons of MK
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Comment number 8.
At 27th Sep 2010, Rob wrote:I have been thinking this one through and I do wonder where Cornwall's Conservatives would fit into a most influential list. I suspect or perhaps guess, that they would not make the top fifty either.
Andrew if it any time you want to come on to my blog and comment on one of my posts feel free.I have entered into the world of blogging because I think Cornwall and Cornish politics needs to be talked about more and hopefully to provoke some disscussions. One and all are welcome to comment and you can do so anonymously if you wish.
I am not here to defend websites you have seen or Mebyon Kernow, I can not speak on behalf of either of them. Neither is my blog intended to represent them, they are my own personal views.
I am however interested in the way you equate an insular nationalist party like the BNP with Cornish nationalists from a broad range of backgrounds and nationalities?
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Comment number 9.
At 6th Oct 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:I am however interested in the way you equate an insular nationalist party like the BNP with Cornish nationalists from a broad range of backgrounds and nationalities?
Because MK otherwise known as the "Sons of Kernow" share the same policies as the BNP, thus the endless anger directed at the English with expressions like
they took OUR jobs,
they took OUR houses,
they change OUR history
The dilemma is THEY and OUR are the same English people, it was only a few years back they were jumping around for joy when they thought they had found a Cornish gene
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