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500 plus is hardly representative. You would need to add another three digits on the end to find the populace and if you add the population of Devon quadruple that figure. I will go on record now and say no more than 100 people will attend most will be children dragged along to fill a camera lens and as we all know it will change nothing and in the end only confirm how easy it is to walk over Cornwall thus weakening our position as ordinary people do not want to be associated with nats, even those who want to keep the borders as they are.

We have seen this before, in the end it only weakens us

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Andrew Jacks, I am sure that he feels the same about you.

"National Attention"

Pips great expectations, I see MPs feature low down on his list given they are the people implemented by this change. I have not a clue what influence the Grand Bard of the Gorsedd thinks he has but I suggest the MPs have more though I appreciate much less than other MP's

Tho' thy way be darkened, still in splendour drest,
As the star that trembles o'er the liquid West.
Throned amid the billows, throned inviolate,
Thou hast reigned victorious, thou has smiled at fate.

"I have not a clue what influence the Grand Bard of the Gorsedd thinks he has"?

No influence at all. But still better than saying," By the way, Mick Paynter will be popping in for a chat"

"鈥arading down the Cornish border鈥�"

Love to see that as it is in the middle of the Tamar

Just wondering. Is there a minimum amount of folk needed to qualify as a "parade"?

Bearded, be-flagged and be-kilted,they go,
The tide of the Tamar, will halt, mid-flow.
Trelawny would have been proud, this day,
When a parade of the patriots wend their way.

Wish someone would tell me what I said to break the news, only way I will learn

'Peter Tregantle': 'Love to see that as it is in the middle of the Tamar'

You appear to be confused about where the actual Duchy Of Cornwall terrestrial and tidal borders lie. This might help you clarify your thinking:

AccurateChronometer no you are usual. The Tamer is only recently used as the border as you have been told many times before. The truth hurts and the Duchy is not a country.

They want a Duchy, but not a Duke,
They want a border that a Saxon took.
They have a fancy phrase, which is "de jure"
While folk are homeless, ignored and poor.

鈥淭hey鈥� are a jelly mixture untied under a banner of revulsion willing to compromise with other hate mongers but not the ordinary Joe public. In the end they just become more fanatic and compromised than had they walked alone and compromised with those that matter, rather than fruit bats seeking to find justification for being Cornish Victor Meldrews, who want Cornwall to be another Ireland and at war with ones brother and sister

Hello all,

38 Degree's has short-listed the Keep Cornwall Whole campaign. Now we just need as many people as possible to vote for it on the 38 Degree's website here:

Equally you can leave comments.

Please vote and circulate.

Saltashgaz, once again you attempt to peddle your gospel of hate.
Once again, the only hate on display here is yours.
This is not a "Nationalist" campaign, but a Cornish one, it is the hate you bare for those who hold different political opinions to you that keeps you bitter, and as this case clearly demonstrates, marginalised.
Check out those who support the "Keep Cornwall Whole" campaign, and see the cross party support that it enjoys.
How about turning up on the 10th, it's not that far from you, and, with your friend, Mr. Tregantle, hold a counter protest, you could even invite all the thousands of supporters you feel you have.

"Hate" 3 times in that post,P_Trembath. "Bitter" once.
Where in Saltashgaz's post did he "peddle" any "gospel of hate"?

You posted;

"This is not a "Nationalist" campaign, but a Cornish one".

Really? I think you better tell the Celtic League that, and all the various splinter Celtic groups, who see themselves just as "oppressed" as the Irish, Welsh, Tibetans and Palestinians.

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Slimslad wrote:-
""Hate" 3 times in that post,P_Trembath. "Bitter" once.
Where in Saltashgaz's post did he "peddle" any "gospel of hate"?"

Gary has spent the last couple of years going around various sites, claiming that Cornish Nationalists "hate" the English. He claims that Cornish Nationalists are "hate mongers". That is his "gospel of hate". Read his post, it is hardly a message of peace and love.
In an attempt to "prove" his gospel, he insults any nationalist he can find, starting of mildly, and getting more and more abusive, until they snap and return an insult, this he then claims as proof. If anyone that stands up to his bullying, he then claims that they can not debate, "moot", and calls on everyone else to ignore them.


Slimslad wrote:-
"Really? I think you better tell the Celtic League that, and all the various splinter Celtic groups, who see themselves just as "oppressed" as the Irish, Welsh, Tibetans and Palestinians."

Depending on where you are in the world, you will find many who will argue that none of those you list are "oppressed", then again, depending on where you are in the world, you will find people who will argue they are.
But, I said that this campaign, the "Keep Cornwall whole" campaign is not a "nationalist" one. Yes, nationalists support it, but so do many others. Check out their website, I will not provide it here, as it seems that some web addresses cause your post to languish in cyber limbo, waiting for the god of moderation to decide if it is an acceptable one or not. But you can find it easily enough with most search engines. If you do check out their website, you will see that apart from a few Nationalists and nationalist groups, the vast majority of its supporters are "normal", It has cross party support, it has support from many different councils across Cornwall, and many different individuals.

I am very wary of "links". You would think that, by definition,a link would take you to a site that was "linked" to the site you have just looked at,(i.e. a site with similar views). Often these sites are not only similar, they are the same person, just a different website. I think it is called "self-perpetuating truths".

But I am fascinated. Who are these "few Nationalists and nationalist groups" (As if I didn't know!)

Slimslad wrote:-
"But I am fascinated. Who are these "few Nationalists and nationalist groups" (As if I didn't know!)"

Slimslad, if you already know, why ask?

But, like I said, check out the website, and see for yourself the support that this campaign has from all walks of life.
If you wish to discredit the campaign, at least try to do so from a position of fact.

I am not trying to "discredit the campaign". I just don't see the point of a campaign to "Keep Cornwall Whole", when,( as for as Parliamentary Constituencies go), Cornwall's borders have altered in the past.

The Mayor of Saltash states;

"For the rally at Saltash we are expecting a turnout of 500 plus, with various speakers including me as Mayor of Saltash, the Grand Bard of the Gorsedd, the Chairman of Cornwall Council (all confirmed), as well as the MPs and others."

You would think he would have mentioned representatives of Mebyon Kernow, if not Dick Cole himself, then M.K. Councillors? Stephen and Stuart, will you be there?

Well, the 'Slimslad'/'Peter Tregantle'/'Saltash Gaz'/'Andrew Jacks' anti-Cornish consortium, it appears you are distinctly out on a limb on this one:

Keep Cornwall Whole campaign - - Support Across The Board From All Quarters:

"KCW Supporters:
So far we have received messages of support (as of 15/9) from:
Dan Rogerson MP (Lib Dem, North Cornwall)
Sheryll Murray MP (Conservative, South East Cornwall)
Stephen Gilbert MP (Lib Dem, St Austell & Newquay)
Andrew George MP (Lib Dem, St Ives)
Sarah Newton MP (Conservative, Truro & Falmouth)
George Eustace MP (Conservative, Cambourne and Redruth)
Lord Teverson
Cornwall Labour Party
Cornwall Green Party
Mebyon Kernow
Cornwall Council Unanimously, as well as several individual councillors
The Stannary Parliament
Mick Paynter, Grand Bard, Cornish Gorsedd
Cornish Quest
Cornwall Talking
St Piran-in-Penwith

Cornwall Gateway Community Network Area (encompassing Saltash & Torpoint Town Councils, and St Germans, Landrake, Landulph, Pillaton, Botus Fleming, Millbrook, Maker with Rame, Antony, St John and Sheviock Parish Councils)

The following Town and Parish councils have passed motions of support that they have let us know about:
Saltash TC
St Germans PC
Sithney PC
Madron PC
Wendron PC
Perranzabuloe PC
Luxulyan PC
Launceston TC
Boyton PC
Week St Mary PC
Breage PC
Sancreed PC
Calstock PC
Looe TC
St Newlyn East PC
Callington TC
Truro CC
Morval PC
Crowan PC
and several hundred private individuals (via our Facebook Group 鈥楰eep Cornwall Whole鈥� - )

Our letter to MPs and submission to the House of Commons Committee on Political and Constitutional Reform, signed by the Convenor of KCW Adam Killeya, Town Mayor of Saltash, was also supported by
Cllr Doris Ansari, Leader of Liberal Democrat Group on Cornwall Council
Cllr Michael Clayton, Deputy Leader of Independent Group on Cornwall Council
Cllr Dick Cole, Leader of Mebyon Kernow and MK Group on Cornwall Council
Cllr Roger Creagh-Osborne, Spokesperson for the Cornish Green Party
Cllr Alec Robertson, Leader of Cornwall Council and Conservative Group on Cornwall Council
Mrs Jude Robison, Chair of the Cornwall Labour Party "

"Well, the 'Slimslad'/'Peter Tregantle'/'Saltash Gaz'/'Andrew Jacks' anti-Cornish consortium, it appears you are distinctly out on a limb on this one:"

Not "anti-Cornish" AccurateChronometer. Anti-empty rhetoric, perhaps. Do you really think that "messages of support and motions of support" will have any effect on the outcome? That the "Cornwall Six" will vote against their own parties? What possible leverage could the Grand Bard and the Stannery Parliament exert? I just hope the day is fine for you, I really do. Don't forget the usual close focus photographs.

Another nationalist (AC) conspiracy theory, how unusual. I just wish they would explain WHY any one would want to conspire against them. They are the ones off-piste and seeking the Cornish davinci code

???????????

What Conspiracy theory?

Slimslad wrote:-
"You would think he would have mentioned representatives of Mebyon Kernow, if not Dick Cole himself, then M.K. Councillors? Stephen and Stuart...."

Why?

It does not matter how many faux lists TK makes they are short by the 250,00 required to be representative and that鈥檚 not counting three times as many people living in Devon All the people on TKs list have what they call a vested interest and are not unbiased

As the brighter amongst you worked out the conspiracy theory was a reference to ACs consortium comment.

Tregantle, once again you display your complete lack of knowledge of the subject with pride.
The list that AccurateChronometer provided is a direct copy and paste from the website he provided the link to.

The figures you quote are totally irrelevant, (ignoring your typo), and what Devon has to do with it is a complete mystery, known only to yourself.

Peter enters classroom (stage right)

Right children under Metaphor read the following in this blog

Trembath, MK, Success.

Peter exits classroom (stage right)

Just heard that Mike Chappell of the Celtic League has threatened to go on hunger-strike "if the rally at the Tamar fails"

He does not get the idea does he?

32. At 1:33pm on 04 Oct 2010, Slimslad wrote:
Just heard that Mike Chappell of the Celtic League has threatened to go on hunger-strike "if the rally at the Tamar fails"

Slim is this a rumour or a dream?

A hunger-strike is not something you can cancel without opening oneself to ridicule, I believe. You have to admire the man for his committment.

All too true, Andrew.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."

(Bertrand Russell)

The free speech we have encourages warped ideals, just look towards the extremists in Luton and look again here. The same song sheet just one has more followers than the other

"It's the Tamar, not the Amazon, for Heaven's sake."
Oh, Mr Cameron, what an awful mistake to make!
Now what you'll have is an awful to-do!
St Piran may even put a curse on you!
On Sunday, folk will be spewing their bile.
With luck, they may meet the odd crocodile.

This made me chuckle.

"Preceded by 1.15-2pm boat crossing of the Tamar from Saltash to Devon,
and back to Saltash, accompanied by a variety of Cornish boats."

Will this "variety of Cornish boats" actually land anyone in Devon?
An invasion, even?
Should the loyal folk of Devon stand off this invasion?
Rotten eggs and tomatoes at the ready.
God! I would pay to see Khappell's Keltic Krew with egg on their face, and beards!

Alls quiet here is saltash, just walked past the mayor鈥檚 cheap little home on the green, one could expect more than a 110K squat 15 foot for major but lets be honest what kind of person is drawn to such a role?

B.B.C. Cornwall seems to think the Mayor is not worth a mention.



Nor the "great and good" of the nationalists. Shame

Saltashgaz wrote:-
"Alls quiet here is saltash, just walked past the mayor鈥檚 cheap little home on the green, one could expect more than a 110K squat 15 foot for major but lets be honest what kind of person is drawn to such a role?"

Rather a snobbish comment Gaz.
Just goes to show the sort of person you are.
Ugh ugh.

Should be a good day out?

Oh Dear!
Someone has removed Mr Chappell's comment.
Something about urinating on Westminster politicians,(or words to that effect)?

Another quiet day here in saltash, spotted a few ugly fat females with black T-shirts on, no doubt either touting for work or here for nut conference, the news is full of stories that 5,000 expected, if they are they are very late

Sums up the kind of person he is, the same comment appears on another link

"More than 200 people held a rally in Saltash on Sunday over plans for a 75,000-voter strong constituency which would unite parts of both counties."

There was not 200 members of the pubic, voters. Real voters were very absent. Can you bame them?

The Boundary Commission are fully aware 90% of people in Saltash either work or have close ties with Plymouth unlike the nuts protesting today, if you look at what Boundary Commission have to take into consideration saltash has more in common with Plymouth than it does the nuts from the sticks, out of the 10 people in my street only one of them was born in cornwal ME!

Mr Chappell on the "Mikerephone"

"It was so good to see hundreds and hundreds there and from all
political persuasions, left to right and from so many parts - 'One & All'."

(Michael Chappell, Celtic League)

Slimslad wrote:-
"Mr Chappell on the "Mikerephone""
Actually, on the microphone was Mick Paynter, the Grand Bard of the Cornish Gorseth, but never mind eh.

Saltashgaz wrote:-
"There was not 200 members of the pubic, voters. Real voters were very absent."
Give it up Gary, your trying too hard now. If they were not "members of the public", what were they? (Within House Rules Please) And what, in your narrow opinion, is a "real voter"? (Again, within House Rules Please)

Wrong Mick, same puzzled look from the huge audience.("Who he"?)

Every cloud....

MC has said I have also told them that as of 10AM 10 10 10 I am on hunger strike for the forseeable
future.

Plus.

"I now have another Cornish patriot who has offered to join me on the hunger strike"

The Bill begins the Committee Stage in the Commons on Tuesday. There should be rumblings after that.

Chubbs will not follow through, bet he's already been at the pies. Anyways it is easy to tell after three days when Ketosis kicks in by three weeks Starvation mode takes over, then the vital organs start to shut down. All over by Christmas, really not wise and should not be encouraged

For an alleged none political person seems like a stupid cause to die for, he isn't Gandhi

All I was doing in comment 59 was pointing out what starvation means, as a public health warning



In the first 3 days, the body is still using energy from glucose. After that, the liver starts processing body fat, in a process called ketosis. After 3 weeks the body enters in "starvation mode". At this point the body "mines" the muscles and vital organs for energy, and loss of bone marrow becomes life-threatening. There are examples of hunger strikers dying after 52 to 74 days of strike.

There are easier ways to lose weight, apparently?

After three days Ketone sticks will show if he is honest

You folks should get the reactions of Cornish Americans (such as me) who, when they come to Cornwall
1.) spend money
and
2) do so to touch base with "roots"

We come not merely to lie on the beaches...we can do that here.
Contact the Cornish American society to get a window into sentiment.

Destroy the heritage, parlimentarians, and you destroy a rationale for us to come and spend tourist dollars there.

"Cornish Americans (such as me)"

Yes, "Julia".

How is Redruth this time of year?

"Cornish Americans (such as me)"

Yes, "Julia".

How is Redruth this time of year?
Sarcasm does you no favours Slimslad

Well,Rialobran, you might not know this, but Mr Chappell has several "alter-egos", which he uses,(with a definite concentration on the "ego" bit).

Many of his pals in the Celtic League do the same thing.
It exaggerates the amount of "followers"

Well I don't have an alter ego, and I am a member, and I can't believe the others are all 'alts' either.