MPs vote for Devonwall
Watching MPs voting now on the Bill which would deliver a referendum on the Alternative Vote system, reduce the number of MPs, make all constituencies the same size and force Cornwall to surrender its historic political border with Devon - looks as if the government will get a majority of around 60. Details once Hansard has confirmed. I spoke to North Cornwall's Dan Rogerson this morning who told me that while he planned to vote in favour of the Bill at its Second Reading, the battle against a "Devonwall" constituency would now go to committee - but he was reluctant to speculate about how he would vote at the full Third Reading, should a pro-Cornwall amendment fail.
Comment number 1.
At 7th Sep 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:The "battle" like everything in Cornwall is lost because of the militant views of a few, rather than opposing this we fight it, I hope people can see the difference?
Graham's very comments above sum up why Devonwall will succeed sticks and stones but nothing meaningful. No doubt the usual band of Wolfie Smith types will arrive post abuse at everything then disappear back into the undergrowth feeling justified, the lack of a willingness to compromise or speak impartially does noting to help us. The truth is Cornwall has really poor representation, particularly the MPs and councillors who all fail to listen to the general public and seem more interested in acting like the tooting popular front, than people able to play the game of politics
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Comment number 2.
At 7th Sep 2010, Tynegod wrote:Well, The Cornwall Six are in a bit of a quandary. Their party wants a change in the way people vote. The Tories want to gerrymander 50 seats, which means "regulating" the size of Constituencies. The Six vote for A.V. but want Cornwall excluded from any "cross-border Constituencies"
Who do they put first? Party? People? Personal?
Who do they risk upsetting?
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Comment number 3.
At 7th Sep 2010, Tynegod wrote:Looks like the "sacred boundary" will be breached!
Hear that?
Athelstan laughing in his Anglo-Saxon tomb,(probably).
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Comment number 4.
At 7th Sep 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:Your headline to this piece is, once again, misleading, Mr Smith.
NONE of the MPs representing the people of The Celtic Nation And Duchy Of Cornwall voted for 'devonwall'.
There was no specific mention in the Bill of the final number or sizes of the constituencies of Cornwall & Scilly. Nor is there yet any reliable single voter entry electoral roll population data for Cornwall & Scilly nor all UK constituencies and nor will there be for some considerable time and not until clear anomalies and multiple entries are sorted through additional Electoral Law legislation. Aren't those the facts of the matter.
Your overeager 'devonwall' is without foundation.
They haven't even started deduplicating the UK electoral roll yet in order to prevent those many multiple house owners being counted more than once!
That is surely a prerequisite to identifying proposed constituency populations and boundaries.
The whole Bill is an ill-considered shambles of two bills conflated into one with the apparently intended result of confusing unrelated matters in order to achieve objectives that demand separate consideration and debate. This Bill threatens further and bigger shambolic outcomes and profound dissatisfaction further down the line. This Bill should be sent back to the repository for discarded whimsically concocted back-of-a-wine-list bad ideas from whence it appears to have been ever so casually plucked like a lucky dip and with a passing flick of floppy public schoolboy cheveux.
Don't you agree?
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Comment number 5.
At 8th Sep 2010, Andrew Jacks wrote:The only boundary which exists is a county boundary which is breached in everyway and everyday and better we are for it, I know what Cornish means and do not need a line on bit of paper to confirm it.
All the MPs care about is themselves not what is best or fair, we have too many MPs. 500 would be too many, they take too much time off and claim ridiculous expenses the less of them we have the better off we are and can start repaying the money wasted by NUclearlabour
letting "little boy" Gordy run the country, Blair said it right shame as an elected leader he did noting to stop the Scottish walking ego
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Comment number 6.
At 9th Sep 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:Actually, Andrew, the boundary to which you refer is between a county over in England, Devon, and a constituted Duchy that coincides with the long established Celtic Nation of Cornwall which lies next to England as you head further west - a bit like Wales.
Here are some handy and helpful navigational guides:
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Comment number 7.
At 10th Sep 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:The doomsday books shows Cornwall is an English county filled with people speaking and writing English
You may want to research the tenth English county is Cornwall from 12th century scripture, a fact recently confirmed to Andrew George when he kept bleating Cornwall was a country; history shows it to be a founding English county
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Comment number 8.
At 10th Sep 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:Click on Cornwall here
Good example
Ludgvan Luduham / Luduam: Richard from Count of Mortain. 27 unbroken mares.
Nearby is Chysauster, England's oldest village street, c.100BC to 3rd century AD.
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Comment number 9.
At 10th Sep 2010, CornEngScholar wrote:Peter that is a very good defence of the nationalists abuse of history. Members of C24 mainly TK do enjoy posting these links mainly created by TGG and Phillip. The truth is absolute and set in the doomsday books. Of course they pretend it states little but like your comment reflects, Cornwall was considered English otherwise it would be impossible for it to be the oldest English village street.
Graham can we move Peter to top of the class for some excellent research
DO not forget Richard Carew comment 鈥淐ornwall, the farthest shire of England westwards.鈥
Its good to see a little balance Graham
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Comment number 10.
At 10th Sep 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:There's no accounting for the unusually deranged and abnormally presumptive Anglo Imperialist land grab habit - whether legitimised by their own presumption or not.
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Comment number 11.
At 13th Sep 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:AccurateChronometer a detractor of legality, a purveyor of imaginary history, the doomsday book had no reason to lie and reflects what it saw at the time. Like many nationalists you have become so used to commenting with like minded people you ignorance is exposed when shown the truth.
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