Clegg letter might be posted dreckly
Richard Williams, head of legal and democratic services at Cornwall Council, emails (on a Sunday afternoon, too!) to update me on the Nick Clegg letter which councillors asked for on 2nd July. This is the one designed to ask the Deputy Prime Minister to clarify aspects of the law relating to second home voters.
"The `Clegg letter' is being circulated for comment and I hope it will go in the next fortnight," writes Richard.
Now I happen to know that Richard is one of the most hard-working and conscientious officlals employed by Cornwall Council, respected by councillors across the political divide. So there must be some reason for the delay outside of his office - and I'd love to know what it is.
Anyone got any good conspiracy theories?
Comment number 1.
At 25th Oct 2010, P_Trembath wrote:Do all Council letters take so long to get written and posted as this one?
Are those responsible attempting to get a mention in the Guinness Book of Records?
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Comment number 2.
At 25th Oct 2010, youngcornwall wrote:鈥淪o there must be some reason for the delay outside of his office - and I'd love to know what it is.鈥
Probably the same problem as we have on here.
鈥淭his comment has been referred for further consideration.鈥
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Comment number 3.
At 25th Oct 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 4.
At 25th Oct 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:Snap
"This comment has been referred for further consideration"
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Comment number 5.
At 26th Nov 2010, P_Trembath wrote:Any news Graham?
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Comment number 6.
At 26th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:I have a good theory.
Those that think that Cornwall is ruled by politicians voted in by "multiple home-owners" have discovered that this is not the case and are desperate to hide their embarassment and have kidnapped the dispatch-rider carrying the Letter. They have stolen the Letter and left the poor dispatch-rider upside-down in a hedge near Bodmin.
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Comment number 7.
At 26th Nov 2010, Graham Smith wrote:I have asked for details of what happened to this letter, and who had to be consulted and when, from first draft to final version, as it made its way up and down the corridors of County Hall over a period of nearly five months. I generally prefer the "cock-up" theory of history to the "conspiracy" theory but in this case I wonder if the conspiracy theory of history might actually be less embarrassing.
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Comment number 8.
At 26th Nov 2010, P_Trembath wrote:@ Graham, so still no news then, do we know if it has even been sent yet, or not?
@ Slimslad, it is the principle of "One man, one vote" that is the issue here, or do you believe that those with the most money should have the most influence?
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Comment number 9.
At 26th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:While folk have been concentrating on the how this new Bill will affect their "borders" they may have missed the fact that A.V. may actually mean "one man more than one vote".
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Comment number 10.
At 26th Nov 2010, P_Trembath wrote:No Slimslad, it will still be "One man, one vote". It is the way in which the vote will be used, theoretically to place candidates in order of preference, that will change, not the number of votes.
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Comment number 11.
At 26th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:The winner is decided as follows:
1) In the first round, votes are counted by tallying first preferences (in the same way as plurality voting, or First Past The Post).
2) If no candidate has a majority of the votes, the candidate with the fewest number of votes is eliminated and that candidate's votes are counted at full value for the remaining candidates according to the next preference on each ballot.
3) This process repeats until one candidate obtains a majority of votes among the remaining candidates.
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Comment number 12.
At 26th Nov 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:Each person is one person.
Each individual person is entitled to one vote and one visit to the polling booth only for the purposes of a General Election or, now(maybe), National Referendum in 2011(presumably but yet to be wrapped up as there hasn't been one before).
(Unless they are a multiple property owner with as many registrations on electoral rolls in as many constituencies as they have properties and they fancy a punt at voting more than once because they know the chances of detection and a modest 拢5,000 fine are as slim as a Slimslad pixel.)
They use their single vote to indicate their preferred candidates in order.
They only enter the voting booth once and only exercise their vote once and then they leave and don't come back.
Not at all like the TIC polls eh, Slimslad?
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Comment number 13.
At 27th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:The A.V. system may include "preference voting", where if there were, say, 3 candidates the voter would "grade" their preference 1 2 or 3, with 1 being their main choice. One voter, three preferences.
Should I draw a picture?
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Comment number 14.
At 27th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 15.
At 27th Nov 2010, P_Trembath wrote:Slimslad wrote:-
"The A.V. system may include "preference voting", where if there were, say, 3 candidates the voter would "grade" their preference 1 2 or 3, with 1 being their main choice. One voter, three preferences.
Should I draw a picture?"
Yes please.
I am trying to work out how you consider "grading" candidates in order of preference to be multiple voting.
How you feel that such a system could give someone more than one vote?
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Comment number 16.
At 27th Nov 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:Interestingly, P_Trembath, George Eustice MP appears to be labouring under a similar difficulty to distinguish between a single vote and a voter's indicated preferences within that voter's single vote:
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Comment number 17.
At 28th Nov 2010, P_Trembath wrote:What do you expect, he's a Tory.
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Comment number 18.
At 28th Nov 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:Indeed, P_Trembath.
In fact, having won his seat by a margin of merely 66 votes and there being around 1,200 houses in the Camborne & Redruth constituency owned by people who don't live in the Duchy but on the basis of such ownership such non-residents can register to vote, it is quite possible George Eustice MP owes his MP position to the very vote 'flipping' and entirely possible illegal multiple voting which the letter to Mr Clegg that is the subject of this post by Mr Smith addresses.
It will be interesting to see how far Mr Eustice is prepared to go to promote and defend the principle of 'one person-one vote'.
How many votes did George Eustice MP get from non-residents of Cornwall in the UK General Election 2010?
How many of them were illegal?
Perhaps we should be told.
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Comment number 19.
At 29th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:He beat the Liberal Democrat by 66 votes, certainly.
But he beat the "Party for Cornwall" hopeful by 15,000 or so.
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Comment number 20.
At 29th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:So,
"1,200 houses in the Camborne & Redruth constituency owned by people who don't live in the Duchy but on the basis of such ownership such non-residents can register to vote"
Not sure where these figures come from, but even if there are 5 people in every house voting, that is 6,000 registering to vote, that is 6,000 votes. Even 10 people is 12,000 votes. Still not enough to cover the majority that Eustice has over M.K.
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Comment number 21.
At 29th Nov 2010, Tynegod wrote:Eustice, George Conservative 15,969 (37.52%)
Goldsworthy, Julia Liberal Democrat 15,903 (37.36 %)
Robinson, Jude Labour 6,945 (16.32%)
Elliott, Derek UK Independence Party 2,152 (5.06%)
Jenkin, Loveday Mebyon Kernow 775 (1.83%
McPhee, Euan Green 581 (1.37%)
Hawkins, Robert Socialist Labour Party 168 (0.4%)
Majority 66 votes
Electorate 63,975
Turnout (42,570) 66%
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Comment number 22.
At 29th Nov 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 23.
At 29th Nov 2010, AccurateChronometer wrote:Type of voting system: First Past The Post.
Difference in number of votes between 1st and 2nd Place: 66.
No of houses in the Camborne & Redruth constituency owned by non-residents
currently able to register to vote in the UK General Election 2010: circa 1,200.
(The point being made, Slimslad, is nothing to do with Mebyon Kernow)
The point being made is about whether those 66 votes were scrutinised and passed the test of legitimacy.
Was that election 'victory' due to 66 or over 'flipped' or, indeed, illegal votes cast by people not entitled to vote in that constituency?
Or not?
We should be told.
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Comment number 24.
At 1st Dec 2010, P_Trembath wrote:Conspiracy or "cock up", after 5 months we hear that this letter has, at long last, been sent.
Mr. Williams holds his hands up and says "Mea culpa", and puts it down to a "cock up".
At the beginning of September, it was considered to be "inappropriate" to have sent the letter during Parliament's summer recess.
Then, we are told, over a month ago, 24 October, that the letter just needed to be "circulated for comment", and would be posted "in the next fortnight".
Now, 3陆 weeks after it was supposed to have been posted, we learn that it has just been sent.
Which ever view you take, Conspiracy or "cock up", it hardly inspires confidence in the internal workings of the Council.
I wonder if I was 5 months late paying my Council tax, they would take pity on me if I were to claim that it was due to a "cock up"?
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