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Cornwall has a population of 534,300, the majority of us are happy to be both Cornish and English.

Most of us are unconcerned by the changing of the political constituency boundary between Saltash and Plymouth as we are able to see the advantages of it.

Most of us do not support this 鈥渁nti-Devonwall campaign.鈥� For instance the 鈥淜eep Cornwall whole鈥� campaign, attracted 300 turn up, plus various press, MP鈥檚 hangers on, party functionaries, and passersby who were wondering what is going on.

Call it 500 at best, again, Cornwall has a population of 534,300.

A fair proportion of the campaigners were not Cornish by any stretch of the imagination. So where does that leave the nationalists and nationalism?

Here鈥檚 examples of nationalist endeavours that WE Cornish have not supported.

Mebyon Kernow, stood 6 candidates in the 2010 general election 1.9% of votes. (Over 98% of people in Cornwall voted for other parties, rather than MK.) All lost their deposits.

Mebyon kernow 33 candidates in the 2009 county council election 4.2% of votes. (7,600 out of 160,000+ votes cast)

Cornish fighting fund, target 拢100,000, achieved 拢33 000 (pledges, not actual money)

Celtic League state that people from all over the world will be turning up to support Tony Leamon at Camborne police station, one student turns up.

鈥淩ally for Recognition鈥�, never gets off the ground.

鈥淐ampaign Kernow鈥�, folds up yet again.

Campaign for a Cornish Tick Box; 639 people have signed up, 361 more needed.

Cornish Constitutional Convention celebrates its 10th anniversary, with a Cornish assembly no closer.

I think a sense of Cornishness and Cornish culture are good things, however, we live in 2010, and the constant harping back to old injustices by some in the Nationalist fraternity is just pointless and wrong.

As Dick Cole said; 鈥淭hey say we don鈥檛 need to do anything because we鈥檙e already independent,鈥� says Cole. 鈥淭hey take refuge in medieval legalistic rights 鈥� the fact that nobody has acted on them since 1508 seems to be irrelevant to them. But it鈥檚 nice. They don鈥檛 have to knock on doors or write press releases because they鈥檙e already independent. All it takes is the government to recognise our rights.鈥�

And then we have the nitwits claiming 'racial discrimination' and 'genocide'.

There has never been a separate 'Cornish race', and do we want a Cornwall based on 鈥渞ace鈥�, aren鈥檛 all nations struggling to end racism?

Cornwall has been a fully integrated part of the UK for a thousand years, there is no 鈥減ure鈥� Cornish blood anymore, no more than there is a genocide being waged against us.

Given the majority in East Cornwall are employed, work and socialise in Devon and let us not forget even born in Derriford (Devon) they have much closer links to Devon than they do those moaning in the west and the Electoral commission are duty bound to take all that into consideration, the use of emotive terms like Devonwall drives support away from a campaign not being headed by nationalists but the main parties, all the nationalists have join s silence the debate by there presence

After the events of last week it is rather refreshing to read the above two succinct comments accurately reflecting the mass opinion rather than minority game. The nationalist have only further confirmed how little support they have and as Dave correctly pointed out the famous embarrassment of the Sun headlines after the one man mass demonstration made national headlines, that is the exact time I lost faith with the movement, when we had reports of people being encouraged to bury broken glass on the beaches and burn Celebrity English restaurants. They claim we are picking on them, no we are embarrassed to have such people claiming they represent Cornish values, to the majority England and Cornwall are not mutually exclusive in fact they are what makes Cornwall in 2010 the unique place it is.

鈥淎fter that, it's game over - although no doubt some MPs will continue to pretend that the Boundary Commission might yet save the day (it won't.)鈥�

Do not forget people power Graham, even after the MPs have had their say and done as much as they can do it is still in the hands of the person in the street, we have already seen what lengths some are prepared to go to.

I await, with some languor, the reporting of the above posts to the 成人论坛 moderators, as any dissent here seems to be reported, by those "nationalists" who cannot abide others stating contrary views.

Yes, Dave, it seems that is a far from new game, that has been exported by those "nationalists" barred from T.I.C. forums.
I have quite a collection of posts "removed by the Moderators".
None that contain personal insults, obscenity, or the like.
I must be upsetting somebody?

I seem to remember some research by "mudhook" a couple of years ago that showed that only 40% of Cornwall's population are Cornish, or think they are. Which would suggest that over 90% of them don't vote for the nationalists. My wife, who is Cornish, has no trouble being Cornish, English and British. She doesn't think we should be in the EU either, which chimes with UKIP getting it's highest vote in Cornwall in the Euro elections. Perhaps she is more typical of the Cornish than some of the correspondents on this blog.

@Dave the rave,

You've made a number of claims above. With those in mind could you explain the following. One statistic you've quite conveniently forgotten to mention in your above post is, of course, the petition of 50,000 signatures calling for devolution? One could add the various opinion polls that show support for Cornish devolution at over 50%. Or that in Cornwall the PLASC schools ethnic data shows that 37% of Children prefer Cornish rather than English, British or any other combination when questioned on their ethnic identity.

You write that the majority of people are happy being Cornish and English. Yes we do have multiple layers of identity. We could add British and European to that list. However no other part of 'England' can produce anything in the way similar to the figures I've mentioned above. Why should you want to ignore or downplay this fact? Why do you feel so threatened by the Cornish identity that you spend so much of your time attacking it?

You wrote "aren't all nations struggling to end racism?" Made me laugh that one did. Yes you are quite right, including the Cornish nation:

One Kernow:

Mebyon Kernow on equality:

You see, as I've said before, proper adult debate on important political issues should try and avoid caricaturisation, lies and misrepresentation.Use of such methods shows a distinct lack of respect for the public at large you know? If you would like to engage in such adult debate I'm sure you'll find plenty from the Cornish movement ready oblige and coach if needed.

The problem with such a study is what would you define as "Cornish", to me it鈥檚 a culture rather than race, you can not use location of birth to define Cornishness as the main hospital offering maternity services for the East of Cornwall is in Plymouth, Devon. As a culture I have no problem with people joining it at any age regardless of location of birth and for the record I was born in Treliske Hospital, so I would think she is anything but Cornish if she is up country as I suspect because location of birth would make you English with a British passport, your culture is what surrounds you not what you hang onto.

According to the 'Keep Cornwall Whole' web site administered by the Mayor of Saltash the view of all six Liberal Democrat and Conservative Party MPs of Cornwall & Scilly that all parliamentary constituencies of Cornwall & Scilly should remain completely within the territorial border of Cornwall & Scilly is shared and supported by these reputable and widely respected individuals and organisations, along with many others from across the political, social and cultural spectrum:

Lord Teverson
Trevor Colman MEP (UKIP, South West Region)
Cornwall Labour Party
Cornwall Green Party
Mebyon Kernow
Cornish Nationalist Party
Cornwall Council Unanimously
The Stannary Parliament
Mick Paynter, Grand Bard, Cornish Gorsedd
Cornish Quest
Cornwall Talking
St Piran-in-Penwith
Cornwall Housing United Federation
Cornwall Gateway Community Network Area (encompassing Saltash & Torpoint Town Councils, and St Germans, Landrake, Landulph, Pillaton, Botus Fleming, Millbrook, Maker with Rame, Antony, St John and Sheviock Parish Councils)
Cllr D R Lucas Chairman North Devon Council
Saltash TC
St Germans PC
Sithney PC
Madron PC
Wendron PC
Perranzabuloe PC
Luxulyan PC
Launceston TC
Boyton PC
Week St Mary PC
Breage PC
Sancreed PC
Calstock PC
Looe TC
St Newlyn East PC
Callington TC
Truro CC
Morval PC
Crowan PC
Camborne TC
Zennor PC

Sorry my above comment is with regards to the "mudhook" comment.

Cornwall is a culture not a race as confirmed in law. If people want to change this they will never do it by telling everyone they are wrong and posting links to sites which are none factitious and recently invented. We are English and proud of it as the recent flag debacle proved

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One thing is for certain whatever is best for Cornwall should be decided by the people LIVING in Cornwall, not teachers in Paris for example and to the best of my knowledge the nationalist cause has been met with a noteworthy rejection, the nationalists try to mix up terms and phrases trying to make out people call themselves Cornish as meaning a nation whereas most just mean "community".

Interesting timeline.

At the time of the last census someone had a go at defining who was Cornish. Bert Bissoe? In the end he said that if you lived here and felt Cornish, you were Cornish!

I rather liked the lady in Penzance who defined it as having 3 generations buried here!

Mudhook used various sources, including the survey of school children referred to her.

Peter Tregantle wrote:-
"Cornwall is a culture not a race as confirmed in law."
I assume you are trying to say that Cornish, is a cultural identity. I, and 99.9% of Cornish nationalists would have no problem agreeing with such a statement. There is an ethnic element to it as well.

Peter Tregantle wrote:-
"We are English and proud of it as the recent flag debacle proved"
The "recent flag debacle" proved nothing of the sort. What it did prove is that there are people out there who appear to be incapable of understanding simple English. The "recent flag debacle" was caused by a small minority who took exception to others requesting that their local shops made less of an "in your face" display of the English flags they were trying to sell to supporters of a stupid game of football. It was the behaviour and attitude of that small minority that caused the "debacle" to escalate into the slanging match that it became.
However, it is to be reported that many shops did tone down their displays as requested, it was, therefore, a "debacle" that achieved part, if not all, that it set out to do.

Dave quoted factual election results.

He quoted the failure of a number of enterprises, designed to gain recognition for the Cornish nationalist cause.

Then Cornish Democrat quotes a petition signed a decade ago by lots of people, not all of them Cornish and some not even British.

Then we get "various opinion polls".

Democratically, the nationalists are not even close to ever electing an M.P.
That is a fact.

My middle son's best friend at school is Chinese Cornish, but was born in Cornwall!

For once I agree with Burt people should be free to be whatever they want, free from ignorant people creating labels and name calling. As society becomes ever more diverse people need to celebrate difference rather than fear it or point at it in acts of bigotry, building fences and gangs and inventing new ways to divide communities, Cornwall is in for a big wake-up call over the next 25 years, or should I say a certain segment of the community who walk a dangerous line taking Cornishness down to one of race, if we must debate this topic can we talk about what is actually being proposed rather than allowing nationalists, some of whom are not resident in Cornwall to debate what is actually being planed, less MP's. An apparent net saving for the tax payer.

MK's hand are not clean as they are the ones who coined the phrase "Devonwall"

Andrew Jacks wrote:
the nationalists try to mix up terms and phrases trying to make out people call themselves Cornish as meaning a nation whereas most just mean "community".

I couldn鈥檛 agree more, just as the Geordie, Skouser etc etc are proud of their communities.

If some think they are more Cornish than others good for them, but stirring up unrest and resentment is wrong.

If I wish to wave a flag of my choice who is to say I am wrong?

Apparently, my opinion of of the perpetrators of the CNLA fiasco, broke House Rules in some way, so here is a milder version.
Andrew Jacks wrote:-
"...that is the exact time I lost faith with the movement, when we had reports of people being encouraged to bury broken glass on the beaches and burn Celebrity English restaurants."
It is, at least interesting to note that from this we can assume that you did have some faith before this.
The famous CNLA put you off.
That famous "organisation" that consisted of a couple, at most, of not very bright people, whose experience of life most likely amounted to looking at pictures in their elderly mothers home shopping catalogue.
That "group" of "nationalists", who were so brave, that they claimed responsibility for "acts of terrorism" that were later proved to have been carried out by a drunken holiday maker from, I think, the Midlands or Liverpool, and a bunch of equally silly "chavs" from Redruth who liked playing with matches.
That pair of fools that received universal condemnation from all sides of the political debate.
Still, it's nice to know that there are some people out there who actually believe whats written in the good old "Current Bun".

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"some think they are more Cornish than others good for them, but stirring up unrest and resentment is wrong."

Banging your head against a wall is only hurts one person or view. The wise stop banging and seeks other routes, others seem to conclude smashing harder is the Road to Damascus, I have a wonderful solution to this dilemma

Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark. Professionals built the Titanic.

Whilst it is fun watching them cast the same ole worn out catchphrases and links that have failed to attract support for decades. The type of person attracted to Cornish nationalism smashes harder and blames us for them being in pain, not once have they learnt not smashing holds better long term prospects

Or dare I say that what they set out to achieve is simply impossible, the numbers simply do not stack up?

I am of the opinion that the few that remain actually more prefer playing online games than they do achieving anything meaningful, they prefer petty squabbling as I have no doubt will follow this, reading this thread only confirms the rut they are in. rather than attempting to counter the first two good comments they play games.

I am happy I saw the light and stopped banging my head.

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This blog has become a shambles

It seems that someone has found a temporary "cure" for dissent.

It would appear to be going that way.

As I predicted in comment 5, the posts which do not cowtow to the nationalist agenda have been reported.

Dissent is not tolerated by fanatics.

Dave the rave wrote:-
"As I predicted in comment 5, the posts which do not cowtow to the nationalist agenda have been reported."

So, my 2 "reported" posts, 12 and 20, were just collateral damage then?
And posts 1,2,4, 9, 11, 13, 14, and 17 all "cowtow to the nationalist agenda" do they?
Common sense and intelligence desert those with an agenda to pursue.

You get to the bottom after reading all these comments and I have no idea what the article is about, its like having a conversation with a schizophrenic. Now were did we start Devonwall? Mebyon Kernow? culture versus race? the CNLA?

Does anybody have an actual bona fide comment to make about the prospect of a Devonwall constituency?

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Why not?

I won't call it by that name, of course.

A proposed cross-County Parliamentary Constituency is what it might be. The Boundary Commission has the final say, in 2013. This Bill is not directed at Cornwall particularly, even though opponents would have people think so.
There is a cross-County Constituency in Yorkshire/Lincolnshire.

Nationalists have hijacked a relatively innocuous,(proposed), piece of legislation and turned it into an "invasion" of Cornwall.

How's that, Rob?

Agree with the above but fail to see what value it bring, censorship of the mass changes nowt

Rob wrote:
Does anybody have an actual bona fide comment to make about the prospect of a Devonwall constituency?

It is obvious you do not Rob, your one and only contribution to this topic adds very little.

The problem as I see it, it is down to over modding to the extreme.

Rob said - I have no idea what the article is about, its like having a conversation with a schizophrenic.

Just look at what remains, nothing on topic just fighting created by one group of people, led by one, whose comments remain, off topic, trouble making and ill logical

Rob it should be left to the people living on the eastern border to voice any objections, the Mps are concerned because they now would stand no chance of winning if the changes proceed, but in all honesty outside the political ranks the public see no problem and why should they, these are neighbours

Slimslad wrote:-
"Nationalists have hijacked a relatively innocuous,(proposed), piece of legislation and turned it into an "invasion" of Cornwall."
The campaign against the proposed legislation is a cross party campaign. The campaign has support from all the major political parties in Cornwall, all Cornwall's MP's, and is also supported by Cornwall Council, many of Cornwall's Town and Parish councils, and has widespread support amongst the public. But then, lets not let the truth get in the way of a good piece of malicious propaganda.

Peter Tregantle wrote:-
"Rob it should be left to the people living on the eastern border to voice any objections..."
Can there be anything more indicative of the opinion that some hold of Cornwall. Obviously, this poster believes that the Cornish should have no say in things that effect Cornwall, after-all, they are not worthy of listening to, the have no valid opinions, and should be ignored.

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Peter has it about right

"it should be left to the people living on the eastern border to voice any objections"

AccurateChronometer has now twice posted the same list, let's correct him

At the end of the day this "TOPIC" is about electoral Constituencies in ""East Cornwall" (not just Saltash) and his list (comment10) contains groups not affected but the proposed change, the only people that should voice an opposition are those living within these Constituencies in my opinion. This is not a nationalist issue and if the nationalists must fight please do not block people who ARE going to be affected by these proposed changes, only 300 people turned up at the protest that is the only lack of strength we require to judge this issue on, using ACs list we should remove a few hundred as they do not live in the area concerned.

Guys please stay on topic by ignoring those not wishing to debate, topics at the top

A proposed cross-County Parliamentary Constituency is what it might be. The Boundary Commission has the final say, in 2013. This Bill is not directed at Cornwall particularly, even though opponents would have people think so.
There is a cross-County Constituency in Yorkshire/Lincolnshire.

Politicians have hijacked a relatively innocuous,(proposed), piece of legislation and turned it into a "storm in a tea-cap".

Andrew Jacks - the area concerned IS all of the Duchy of Cornwall because every constituency re-configuration has bow-wave consequences elsewhere.
In any case,contrary to you and your consortium's repetitively fixated and rather bitterly toned output, Cornwall is not in England. As is generally more widely known now than in the recent past, Cornwall is NEXT to England - just like Scotland and Wales.

Perhaps Cornwall Council should organise a referendum to ascertain the majority will of the people of the Duchy in this very important matter.

Got nothing to do with Duchy or those outside East Cornwall, if people in Saltash cared they will have plenty of chance to air it, but having often visited the area I think you will find they have more in common with Devon than a Duchy, Dave may be able to correct me but they are the second largest group outside St Austell, I believe Truro is only third.

Just spoke to my local friend all the buses run to plymouth, same as trains. The biggest employer in the area is the Hospital @ Derriford, the Devon docks and the ferries and shipping from Plymouth.

The Duchy does not consist of exclusively urban parliamentary constituencies, Peter.

The "Duchy" also does not exist exclusively in Cornwall.

The territorial Duchy of Cornwall does, Slimslad - to the mean high water mark of the fundus of the River Tamar.

All other possessions beyond the territorial border of the Duchy Of Cornwall are merely additional non-territorial assets of the Duchy Of Cornwall.

Just to answer some of the responses to my comment, and I do apologise for using the word schizophrenic and I am glad noone took it personally.
It's just frustrating that given the choice to talk about major issues in Cornish politcs that everything boils down to well trodden debates that barely skirt the actual issue.

For example why not discuss:
Should Cornwall's Celtic identity put it on a par with the exceptions made for Wales and Scotland?
Does Devonwall undermine European funding?
Is it wise to have an MP covering numerous local autohrities?
Should major constitutional reform be undertaken without public consultation?
Should Cornish MPs opposition to Devonwall be casually brushed off by their own parties?
Shouldn't constituency need determine the number of MPs rather than bureacrats?

and I do agree my previous post added little to the debate. Devon should play a larger part in opposition to this proposal.
Slimslad you will find that there is opposition to these changes in the north of England, Isle of Wight, the Rhondda and many places besides.

Rob, In my opinion the majority in Cornwall no longer feel the Celtic thing is very important, we are mostly happy being English and as Peter has very well shown Cornwall claim to being uniquely the only Celtic nation in the south-west is verging on myth, which I am happy for it to be. I prefer England but am very happy for those who want to be Celtic, to be show. But do not try and feed my children the invented history or language I want him to succeed in life and get a good job rather moan his life away based around a book called breaking the chains.

Wales and Scotland are not "exceptions"
They are,(and for centuries, have been), recognised nations in their own right.

"Devonwall" as a concept,(in regards to the Bill now before Parliament), does not exist. a Parlaimentary Constituency boundary may change.
There are Members of Parliament who cover more than one local authority, even County.
Voters elect their Members of Parliament to act in their best interests. If the voters disagree, where are the protests?
Parliament makes the laws.

Right Andrew so you believe that Celtic identity is not that important, so what do you think about the Keep Cornwall Whole campaign attracted cross-party suppport then?

And what is the invented history of language? does it have a bearing on Devonwall?

Slimslad:
There was a protest at Saltash maybe you missed it. Besides Cornwall Council opposes Devonwall as do Cornwall's six MPs who would we complain to?

All those questions for discussion, Rob.

My answers.

You concentrate on "If the voters disagree, where are the protests?"?

My answer.


Saltash was one protest. 500 people. From a population of over 500,000.

Fair enough Slimslad,
one you're wrong about the constituency bill there were special exceptions made for the borders of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales. They were written into the bill. Further I believe you suggest by implication that Cornwall shouldn't be included because Cornwall has not been recognised by London as a nation hitherto. Fair enough but I disagree, I believe the point of politics is not to except tradition blindly but to change things. I believe Cornwall should be afforded the same privileges enjoyed by the other Celtic nations. Opposing Devonwall is but one small part of this.

Devonwall is simply a name given to a constituency that would span the Tamar, the bill as it is does allow for such a scenario in the case of a new constituency. Its not explicitly mentioned in the bill but the fusion of Cornwall and Devon politically is almost a certainty. Give it whatever name you like but conceptually and actually the electoral reform and contituencies bill will result in at least one cross Tamar MP.

Indeed there probably are MPs that cross authority boundaries, but not many that span such an economic, cultural and historic border as the Tamar represents.

I fail to believe you are that naive to think that Parliament makes laws, it does not it passes them. The legislature in the UK is subordinate to the Executive. In other words it is the Cabinet and political parties that decides laws and their wording it is only the job of Parliament to pass these or not. With the whipping of votes on this contentious issue it is the Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties that have made this law and ensured it passed Parliament.

To sum up I believe your positon is that Cornwall should not enjoy the status of our Celtic cousins in this regard and MPs should cover muliple authorities. Do you have any positive comments that would suggest Devonwall is a good idea?

Of course exceptions were made for Northern Ireland. You could hardly have a member of the U.K. Parliament representing part of Eire. The same could be said for Scotland, and, to a lesser degree, Wales.

But, to save any more arguments, forget protests about "Devonwall".
Call for a Cornish referendum on the matter.

The question:

"Do you think Cornwall should be an independent, sovereign nation"?

If the majority say "Yes" then Cornwall should be given its independence by Parliament.

If the majority say "No" then Cornwall remains a County of England.

There you are,Rob.

That would still not satisfy the "we are already independent-Stannary-Submarine Act-Duchy-Athelstan" nationalists,however.

But it would be democratic in a real sense.

That would be democratic you are right, but I don't think anyone in Cornwall is arguing for independence from the union.

In this instance I am arguing that our political border be respected and the public be consulted over Devonwall and our democratically elected politicians be listened to by their parties.

"That would be democratic you are right, but I don't think anyone in Cornwall is arguing for independence from the union."

Ask The Celtic League in Redruth.

Then ask for a referendum over proposed Constituency boundary change. The Boundary Commission have until 2013 to make their minds up.

I am guessing, but this will give them time to process information from the 2011 Census.

Which asks what questions, Slimslad?

"Which asks what questions, Slimslad?"

I have no idea what you mean,AccurateChronometer.

Slimslad - I am guessing, but this will give them time to process information from the 2011 Census.
AccurateChronometer - Which asks what questions, Slimslad?

Groan...

No, AccurateChronometer.

There is no box that specifically says "Cornish".

However, there is a box that says "Other", with room to put "Cornish".

Rob said but I don't think anyone in Cornwall is arguing for independence from the union.

Then what is the point in people claiming to be nationalists, moving goal posts due to the lack of support or just finding ways of achieving the same end goal in devious steps?

There you are, AccurateChronometer .




The O.N.S. site with a test questionnaire.

I think the "Other" alternative has 17 little boxes to write whatever you like in them.

Have fun.

The basic form of the Census asks about:

Household accommodation.

Relationships within the household.

Demographic characteristics (e.g. sex, age, marital status).

Health/long-term illness/provision of care.

Qualifications.

Cultural characteristics (e.g. ethnic group).

Migration.

Employment.

Work place and journey to work.


The Census does, of course, also supply a basic "head-count" of the population.

Rob nobody objects to anyone having an opinion, at least you do so with reason. What you fail to comprehend is few people care, but I have to concede this could be down to the wrong people hijacking this, I am 100% certain it is impossible to debate it here given a few prefer to score meaningless points

Back on topic



A CAMPAIGN to block the creation of a Westminster seat spanning the Tamar looks doomed to failure.

Moves to prevent a so-called 'Devonwall' constituency being formed were kicked out by MPs.

Concerns over a constituency crossing the Cornwall-Devon border have arisen with Government plans to equalise the size of seats at around 75,000 voters.

It forms part of proposals to shrink the Commons from 650 to 600 MPs, and pave the way for a referendum on changing the voting system to the alternative vote

I suspect Graham will add this later



MPs voted 321 votes to 264. in favour of the Parliamentary Voting System and Constituencies Bill last night, which now moves to the House of Lords.

"referendum on changing the voting system." Hope this answers your question Peter

Dave the rave wrote:-
"Cornwall has a population of 534,300, the majority of us are happy to be both Cornish and English."

Hmm? And yet:-
"Another 1,309 people chose other, particularly in Cornwall, where there is a home rule and Cornish language movement principally led by the pro-devolution group Mebyon Kernow, which has 22 local councillors across the county.

The eastern edge of the "other" dots in the south-west of England closely follows the line of the Tamar river, the historic boundary between Cornwall and the rest of England."

Well?

A few votes of "Other" actually proves nothing.

The "Devonwall Protest" is dead in the water.

With 400,000 voters in Cornwall, Mebyon Kernow receives a tiny part of that vote.

Dream on P_Trembath.

It's like this Slim old boy,

1/ Of those Guardian readers in Cornwall who responded to their survey, the vast majority seem not to be "happy to be both Cornish and English", as alleged by our friend Mr. Rave. Rather curious don't you think? Unless you wish to claim the Guardian to be a "Nationalist" rag...............

2/ "Devonwall" is not a "done deal", yet. Common sense has prevailed, and the proposed constituencies do not violate that part of the Border that is the Tamar. The public consultation process is far from over, will we be seeing you at Truro?

In short, the fat lady has not yet sung.


P.S. as you well know, the KCW campaign is not an MK one, it is supported by them, just as it is supported by many other organisations in Cornwall, political, business, civil. To attempt to portray it as an MK one is indicative of your obvious lack of knowledge on the subject. Perhaps things are different in your dream world!

I never mentioned a "done deal", P_Trembath.

Although I think it is.

The "Devonwall Protest" is dead in the water" is what I posted.

Nor did I post about M.K.'s involvement in "Keep Cornwall Whole"

You seem to be getting excited about "flags" again.

Not to put a "damper" on your "Other" flags, but people voting as "Other" may not be English, British, Welsh etc.

They could be Guardian readers from China or the U.S.A.

It wouldn't be the first time that foreign folk had voted on a subject peculiar to Britain.

Now you're just trying too hard!

"Now you're just trying too hard!"

On the contrary, i think it is you and your friends who are "trying too hard".

Ever since "The Guardian" article was posted on Cornish sites, there has been a sudden surge of "Other" flags on that map.

The Kernow Minority Mafia strikes again!

Slimslad wrote:
"The Kernow Minority Mafia strikes again!"

When there are those who will continue to fan the diminishing flame that keeps this myth alive, it ends up only giving comfort to those who are forever in search of "recognition".

Dear yc,

I take your point.