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You could/should do an individual programme on each of the subjects listed.

THE IRANIAN LEADER CLEARLY WANTS TO PROVOKE A CONFRONTATION.

IF A STREET THUG CHALLENGED SOMEONE OBVIOUSLY A LOT STRONGER, THE INTENDED VICTIM WOULD RIGHTLY BE CAUTIOUS, AND WONDER WHY?

I FEAR WE MAY BE SEEING AN INTELLIGENCE FAILURE AGAIN. I DO NOT BELIEVE WE HAVE ALL THE FACTS.

You could/should do an individual programme on each of the subjects listed.

Greedy Gordon ...labour are acting like a cr#p socialism of drunk dinosaur Royalty...thinking they deserve the money...

Their Royal Court in Bournemouth by the BIC has gone to their head...

They mock the real queen...look how they laughed as they flambeyed her Windsor castle!!!

It is about time that Newsnight is showing signs of wishing to hold Gordon Brown to account for his stewardship of the nation's finances in advance of his would-be coronation as the UK's Prime Minister. Yes, I know Newsnight has devoted airspace to Mr Brown before, but in the context of his green credentials, which is an irrelevance. The UK's tax system is less fair, less equitable, more expensive to administer and much further removed from Adam Smith's Canons of Taxation than anytime in the past. When social costs become past costs, it is possible to quantify them. I predict that the social costs of Brown's policies will be enormous. No doubt Mr Brown has already declined Newsnight's invitation to explain the basis of the pensions decision, not to mind any other.

A point that has not been picked up from Gordon Brown's raiding of pension schemes is the amount the U.K. stockmarket has fallen behind other stock markets, the Dow and the DAX in particular. The Dow is now a record 6000 above the FTSE, this is making U.K. stocks cheap to buy compared with the above and U.K. blue chips are being bought cheaply. Abbey National, British Steel( Corus) and various utility companies spring to mind. The country is being sold short.

We've heard stories that Falklands veterans who had survived as heros for decades...had been drugged by blairites into going mad in bizarre social justice take downs...rumours one was arrested for firearms possession...and being "dangerous"!!!

Anyone can be called anything by them!

Blairites only care about their economics ..the causes they can make money off...

Jekyl and Hide is blair with his health treatments tested out on people to change the politics they are proud of...!

It is good to see that Newsnight has not put the situation with Iran at the top of the agenda tonight ( at least on the web site). The following may get vikingar's knickers in a twist, but it would be far better for the media to stop putting Iran on the front page until the hostages are released. It would suffice to simply say that the hostages were still captive, only when they are released should the story be given widespread coverage again.

Its all very well for the stock market parasites to squeal about tax on dividend payments, but it is probable that given half the chance they would pocket any future tax cut for themselves. All they participate in is institutionalised gambling so if the value of the assets go down its hardly surprising. All they have to do is ensure that enough foolish ten bob fat cats will volunteer to pay them what probably amounts to a private tax every month. If they can't manage to do this the market value goes down, but the pensions schemes never get their money back when the market goes up again in future. All the real profit goes on funding pay bonuses for the parasites who run it, hence last years record bonuses. Perhaps all stock market related bonuses should be banned until the alleged pensions black hole is filled.

It is strange that some people object to paying tax and national insurance to fund state benefits for single mums and the disabled. Yet they are prepared to pay a private tax to a pension company who's primary function is funding the army of stock market parasites. Its a bit ironic but at least in some cases, people are funding a lifestyle and income better than their own. The whole market is based on what appears to be an intricate pyramid scheme. People would probably be far better investing more in national insurance to ensure the re-nationalisation of the utilities who's profits could be used to fund a better cast iron state pension. This was probably the case in the 1950s when most people didn't generally feel the need to save for a specific pension. It was far better to save real money than rely on the false money of capital growth alone to increase the value, many remembered 1929.

We have to go back to real money if the likes of tradesmen are leaving to country to get a better lifestyle through a lower cost of living. I know of one case where a nurse moved to NZ to work for a lower monthly salary. Its not the higher rate taxpayers who we need to worry about keeping by not putting up the top rate, its the best people we need to keep the country running. People talk about the brain drain being related to tax rates and high income, but the real brains who keep the country running are often prepared to work for a lot less if their living costs are lower and they can afford to buy a house. People don't really need a pay rise or cut in income tax, what most people really need is a overall cost of living cut.

It seems brown is not even PM yet, but his past is catching up on him, he looks a beaten man before he gets the job he has waited for so long, he has run this country for the past ten years a bit like millions of people on credit cards,live today tomorrow may never come but his tomorrow is right on top of him

Chancellor Gordon Brown did not do ordinary hard working men and women any favours when he scrapped tax relief on dividends paid into retirement plans announced in his first Budget now ten years ago. This money was intended to go towards a good standard of living when members of these plans retired. I think that he has a lot to answer for and is partly responsible for the pension crisis we see today. He was advised against these measures by experts, but still Mr Brown went ahead. I now think that as a result of his actions ten years ago, Mr Brown may find that his ambitions to become Prime Minister may be severely dented. He is not someone that thousands of pensioners are going to forget in a hurry.

I will be interested to see the result of the Scottish Parliament elections as to how many Scots actually want devolution and to go it alone from the rest of us. I think that they need to think very carefully, as I am sure many of them have, about the future of their great nation. They have their own way of life there, with different laws to the rest of us. Some of these are better and I think some are not so good. We have lived on the whole successfully as a United Kingdom for many years now, I think that it will be a great pity to end this. Some I suppose will disagree, we can only await the result with great interest.

Tonights lead story about Gordon Browns budget 10 years ago. This has got to be a joke. Is the 成人论坛 honestly saying that there is no news out there to be reported on in 2007 so you must disgorge 10 year old news. I turned the tv off as you clearly have lost the plot tonight. I want news - not 10 yesr old comment. Clearly your reporter on this story was a bit emabarassed as he apologised for reporting it 10 yesrs to late - my advice to him is don't be emabrassed -go out and find some news !!! This is just mischief making and the British public know it. And no I'm not a Labour supporter my colours are SNP. GET A LIFE GET A JOB - GET SOME NEWS - maybe you should change the program name to 10yearoldcommentnight insted of newsnight - very disappointed !!!

Why does nobody acknowledge that pensioners on small pensions are beeing fleeced twice?
Not only are our pensions much lower that we could have expected ten years ago - we have to pay for this tax stil, by paying nearly 100% more Council Taxes which are used to fill the empty pension coffers of the public servants.

I suppose it doesn't matter to you if you retire on 拢50.000 p.a., but believe you me - it matters a lot when you've got 10% of that.
(Anyone on less gets state benefits, also an huge huge sum - not!)

The worst aspect is that this was explained to GB but he did it anyway.
Nice, from a Labour Chancellor.

Blairites find nicking money funny..

They think people are so far behind them politically intellectually...

...because their simplicities of believing are so inconsiderate...

...they can't really be held responsible for their actions ...like someone's children nicking pocket money off their grandparents cos the kids need it and they have got some spare and they haven't given him what he needs to play with the others and they aren't going to notice much are they...

They all want to be money managers and claim positions where seemingly to them people are dependent on their goodwill and ignorant behaviourist unarguability games..

Pensions are yet another motive for direct representation from the public into a controlling company rather than a perverted parliament...

How come your Romanian Embassy "self employed" heroes, Cristina Irimie and Simona Tatulescu did not help that poor young fellow to register as self-employed? Is that because the 2 women are making thousands of pounds exploiting the Romanians who are coming here by asking them to pay 拢500 for the registration? Very nice 成人论坛! You are now in a team with crooks!

Dear Newsnight

I think the SNP once put up a candidate in Corby? Who will be eligible for a Scots passport in a newly independent Scotland, and where?

best wishes

the other night someone argued that Scottish unemployment had fallen but hasnt that something to do with a million Scots leaving to find work, among other reasons?

Stephanie Flanders report on the Gordon Brown pension funds tax hike in the 1997 budget, ended with her comment "he(Gordon)might not have all the skills he needs to make it at number 10".I am sure the 成人论坛 are wishing to spoil his claim to the labour leadership and premiership, with the recent revelations that he ignored advice when he was grabbing at the pension funds. Please 成人论坛, can you continue with rubbishing Gordon Brown as it give me a good laugh,(i am easily pleased). he will only make a fool of himself anyhow, when he becomes Prime Minister, finding himself with the ball and not able to kick it.

I don't wish to upset the socialist labour party supporters who may be on here. I am more than happy to say Gordon brown is an intellectual heavy weight and a good chancellor (with some luck thrown in), relatively speaking that is, when you consider the majority of labour ministers and MPS around him, or to coin a phrase "in the land of the blind, the one eyed man would be king".

One big problem Gordon has, is that he lacks charisma, you would think that would be one of the first qualities a leader must have .
Sorry to land that bombshell at your feet, new and old labour folks, but its a key ingredient, that charisma thing, and Gordon's not got it, and he will have to appeal, to an already sceptical electorate in the not to far distant future. Gordon is not a natural performer, and we, the audience, will not warm to him, even with good policies promised.
So 成人论坛 ,carry on throwing the mud at Gordon, it might make the pensioners who lost out on their retirement pension, smile, and smile they will, right up to the next general election.

PS: the phrase "in the land of the blind, the one eyed man would be king" is not a jibe ,so don't be getting on your high horse defending one eyed pirates.

MORE problems with posting on this forum last night! I had slogged away writing a piece whilst fresh from viewing.... However it is now lost in cyberspace & I have lost the plot? Suffice to say the 3 handed discussion on Brown's tax raid from 1997 was Labour aka Geoffrey Robinson at their worst...hysterical laughter is always a sign of weakness ,lies & subterfuge Geoffrey you shouldn't have bothered ..the hole(Gordon's in) is now deeper!

Trust Blair & Brown do not have a good time in Scotland.. not really a time for eating ice creams together is it... the SNP will be delirious at the Headlines today!

This makes for interesting reading. It usually pays to listen to all points of view rather than develop an ostrich mind like a good many have.

A closed mind is a dangerous thing.

I think the sheriff of nottingham(gordon Brown) has a lot to answer to.why would he think for one minute that he should make it as Pm.If he is willing to destroy the lively hood of all pensioners for his own self gratification, then he is truely a sad character, and it should bite him where it hurts.Let me be PM just for one day and this man would be put in the tower to rot.

Did I hear right "Gordon Brown has been one of the best Chancellors"?
Come on 成人论坛 - the country is upto it's neck in both personal and national debt. If that is how you describe a 'strong stable Economy' there is as much confusion in the 成人论坛 as in Labour ranks.
As for using the excuse of the Stock Market fall being the cause of the up coming Pension Crisis - give us a break, removing 拢5 billion a year for 10 years then compound the effects would be a more accurate reason, forget the excuse.
Didn't he also sell 60% of the Nations Gold reserves at a knock down price. Didn't he gather in massive windfall tax's. Come on look at the bigger picture, it's ugly!

Note - those who in Scotland vote SNP are not necessarily looking for Independence, they will get a referendum on the subject. The results of which will be honoured by the SNP unlike when Labour holds one, where they ignore the result!
Labour need a good Electoral kicking and optimistically the will get one in Scotland followed by a bigger one in England!
As for the Labour party cartoon depicting Salmond as poor with numbers, I take you back to the beginning of this post, then add immigration numbers etc. The Dome, The Olympics, The Scottish Parliament Building etc. etc. - methinks Labour are no better with numbers today than 30 years ago! For them to have a crack at the SNP is further stretched when the Labour Party itself is operating insolvent.
Then wee have immigration showing how wonderfull having immigrant buiders etc. doing what? Building houses for immigrants - bloody joke!

All in all, NewsNight had a very bad night.
What was not said/shown was more relevent than what was!

A low key,'diplomatic', introduction to Craig Murray and his contribution last night?

For those who haven't looked, here's a link to a little more on the matter:

Concerning the boundary demarking Iranian and Iraqi waters, former First Sea Lord Sir Alan West has been on News 24 explaining that, following the 2004 incident, the British and Iranians agreed a line to which they would work.

It seems to me, therefore, Craig Murray's claim there is no line is a red herring.

Interesting to note, however, that on his site he states the Iranians have given four different positions.

hurrah. the picture is better.

so the big story is that a politician ignored civil servants? I believe civil servants can choose to ignore politicians? which explains the plot of british government?

so if newsnight is to be believed :)the end of the falklands war is 25 years old. Yet the argentines just restated the claim and cancelled some treaties. While there is smoke the embers must still hidden in the timbers?

it came out a week ago on the news boards that there was no official defined border in that area of iraq iran waters so no one could make solid claims. That goes to show people who post on newsboards are not all cranks?

meanwhile in the public bar the newsnight theatre company gives us shakespeare interpreted for a modern age.
'Friends, Rumanians, countrymen lend us your shovels,
do they come to build britian or to rob it?
we are told they are ambitious,
but return by bus when they find their dreams fictitious?'

Judging by the bile directed at Gordon and his potential "come-uppance" by the SNP, I just can't wait for the next Tory Government where everything will be sweetness and light.

When eventually Alex Salmon makes his mind up whether his majority and Governing in Scotland is so good that the Scots will go for "Home Rule" We can all look forward to no Scots ruling the English Parliament Too many Scottish Ministers telling us what to do.

If the EU subsidies that Alex is relying on do not come through, the Scots can do what they always have done best, raid the English Counties. Hadrian Rules OK!!??

If there is a 'next Tory' or anyother Government, they will inherit a shambles that will make the disgrace of 1979 and what had to follow look like a cake walk!
There never is light at the end of a Labour Government tunnel - debt and tough times yes, sweetness or light no!

I think Gordon Brown needs to be given a chance, lets forget all the hype and concentrate on (a)what he麓s done and (b) what he can do for us.

He suffers from being quiet but do you really need a big mouth to get things right, seems like a solid reliable politician, a nice guy and is very likely to be an asset to his people.

Last night Ming Cambell was under fire from people for being all content and no style, but politics to me is not about whose sexy it麓s about good ideas and how to implement them. In all this political
claptrap where politicians become role models, status symbols and sex symbols the real job of politics is totally fogotten. Gordon deserves a chance!

How much did you pay this Romanian guy to put up his tent for the camera? And what about the Bulgarian girl?
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