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NEVER MIND THE DETAIL, FEEL THE GENERALITY. (Jobs)

The myth of multicultural harmony can only persist in a relatively unstressed society.
When blokes get up-tight, they attack 'difference'. It is not so much who will lose their jobs but who will fight with whom, how hard the 'crack down' will be, and what perception of unfairness will be sown to fuel further unrest.

I have not noticed the word 'fairness' from Labour lately. In the war that is brewing, fairness will be the first casualty.

Unemployment

"Almost all the new jobs created in Britain in the last seven years have gone to foreign workers.
Of the 1.3million jobs created since 2001, the vast majority - went to non-UK nationals, official figures show.
At the same time the number of UK-born workers in employment fell by 62,000."


It's time for the economic migrants to migrate to another country, last in first out. If Gordon Brown cares about "British jobs for British workers", then he should tweak the discrimination laws so he can pay employers to sack immigrant workers and replace them with British workers. The economic migrants should be encouraged to continue their with their migration - to another country. Unprecedented times call for unprecedented measures etc.

#2

Virtual corporations

It's not about what's been coming here, but what's been going over there............

/blogs/newsnight/paulmason/2008/11/how_radical_is_obamanomics.html

Iraq Afghan Spin

tony blairs new spin doc cherie BOOth claims tony will be/is likened to W Churchill pass me A Sick BAG the size of an oil TANKER
She Above should book herself a bedspace in Broadmoor.

While gordons gushing spin doc's reveal he is the first pm since Churchill to get the closest to the front line EH ?

correct me if I am wrong, (I on purpose usually am) but Dear old Winston was deemed to have made a mistake in the 1st Great War, his response was to resign as 1st sea lord and get himself straight to the front and stayed there for 3 or 6 months?

earLIAR tony at the begining of this year got into a bit of bother in his new unpaid role as
mid east peace? envoy, his response, was to get himself out of there faster than a Rat deserting a sinking ship

History/Herstory remind me, is written by who?

CaringHumanist (#2) "he should tweak the discrimination laws so he can pay employers to sack immigrant workers and replace them with British workers."

We may have redlined it, but Lisbon's FCHR renders that sort of thing rather diffficult via a number of articles. All in all, this anarchistic mess has been rather well 'orchestrated' has it not?

Congratulations! Instead of drums and tuneless 'music' there are shadows creeping across the back of the picture and it works! Concentration gone.
Is it to prevent understanding? Is it supposed to hypnotise?
Where has the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ gone?

The people of Scotland, Wales and the North East of England must all now be believing in Karma seeing all these people in the South East of England, especially those in the City, losing their jobs.

There was little sympathy from "loadasmoney" London and the Home Counties in the 1980s when the coal-mines, steel-works and other industry was closed down leaving millions unemployed. Wouldn't it be great if we had a manufacturing & engineering industy now? Oops!

That aside, there must also be growing anger across the UK now as people try to figure out why tax-payers' money is being used to pay huge bonuses to those bankers still in their jobs!? Surely, this is planting the seeds of strife and division that will come in 2009 as the credit bust moves into the wider economy and people who are then living on benefit try to figure out why their taxes ended up in large bonuses in the City. Woolies and car components today - who next year?

Sooner or later the penny is growing to drop with the British Public that the story put forward by the Government, and joyfully spread by some compliant types at the Beeb, of a need to bail-out the banks is merely a smoke-screen in order to keep the banks alive so that there are lucrative one day a week board posts for politicians when they are kicked out of office come the next election. Our houses are plunging in price, our savings are being eroded by inflation, our pensions are just one commission-making opportunity for the City - in each and every way the ordinary British person is being taken for a ride by the Government and the City hand in hand.

As for Jaguar and any other car maker - they should have a 50% sale just like Woolies before they get a penny of tax-payers' money!

Hawkeye_Pierce (#3) "Virtual corporations
It's not about what's been coming here, but what's been going over there............"

Yes, but they aren't interested in indigenous people, or the state, they are driven by costs and profit. To reverse that one has to become nationalist, and that looks like it's being outlawed by the EU Lisbon Treaty.

In fact, some would deem you or I nazi racists if we discriminate, hich is silly at best. See what said recently about his treatment in academia.

It's not just in the USA, and it's not getting any better, far too many are acquiescing without appreciating the wider/longer-term consequences.

What on earth was the point of all those dark shadows creeping about in the background to the piece on jobs? Were they the ghosts of Christmases Past? More matter with less art, please

Hang on, the owners of Jaguar, TATA, have just become the Formula One sponsors for Ferrari have they not? Is it possible UK tax-payers' money is now going to 'end up' supporting an Italian F1 team, in some way, while 300 jobs at Honda's F1 team in the UK are about to be lost?

Honda has not asked for a UK bailout but is keeping British workers employed in Swindon, and has pulled out of F1 to reduce costs accordingly, but TATA stays in F1 and reportedly needs UK money to keep Jaguar going? Did I get that wrong? Did I mishear?

So TATA has enough cash to be part of the biggest and most lavish sporting 'party' in the World but not enough to keep Jaguar going? That will go down well with British voters next time they sign on!

WHERE HAS THE ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ GONE? (#6)

I am (as I just might have posted before) in total accord on the 'video-wall' phenomenon deplored above.
But even THAT was eclipsed by Kirsty's disappearing diction. Remembering the Ross/brand farce, I am moved to ask: do no producers listen to their own output? KIRSTY SHOT AN ENTIRE SENTENCE AT THE MAN ON HER RIGHT, AND I COULD GLEAN NO SENSE FROM IT AT ALL. It seemed about ten or twelve words long, and I thought I might have guessed the last word.
Is there some part of Scotland where they all enunciate in the same way? I once met a Scottish lorry driver with no teeth, I understood not one word, but his job was more navigation than communication!

#7 tawse 57

A. "Our houses are plunging in price, our savings are being eroded by inflation, our pensions are just one commission-making opportunity for the City - in each and every way the ordinary British person is being taken for a ride by the Government and the City hand in hand."

But through the great resilience of the British people we have managed to become wealthier (mostly and on average) now than we have ever been before. Now that's what I call magic.



B. "There was little sympathy from "loadasmoney" London and the Home Counties in the 1980s when the coal-mines, steel-works and other industry was closed down leaving millions unemployed."

Apart from the massive tax/benefits subsidies year by year from South to North.
There was little sympathy from the steel unions when the total wage bill was way too high (subsidised by taxes paid by others).

C. "of a need to bail-out the banks is merely a smoke-screen in order to keep the banks alive so that there are lucrative one day a week board posts for politicians when they are kicked out of office come the next election."

I believe it was Keynes who said (roughly) "there is no surer way to destroy a country than to destroy its financial system."

If UK banks collapse, the economy will follow.

#6 Got 2 write #9 RicardianLesley

Shadows

Barrie and myself have discussed this before.

Plato's Cave



That they are in the studio, could be a subconscious acceptance by Newsnight that they...



I'll have to be getting another ID then.

Celtic Lion

Unemployment.

CaringHumanist {# 2}

Your comments make perfect sense and are refreshing to read. You mentioned Gordon Brown "British jobs for British workers"
Isn't that just more spin? I think it's a Policy of The British National Party Manifesto.
Sadly this New Marxist Labour, won't take it up - they might say they will - but we know the only people to keep them in power are the very rich and economic immigrants. Both have prospered and grown steadily in the past decade.
The party no longer represents the working class or middle Britain. Occasionally they feel the need to throw the odd sound bite to calm the masses.
Despite being under EU control. In fact our government can twist any law to suit their purpose. Anti terror law and countless legislation that has changed the face of Britain and enforced an undemocratic agenda that is alarming.
Unfortunately we will continue the freefall of serious decline, they don't listen.

SHALL WE COMPLETE OUR MISSION BY MAY? (#9)

The mission being: alerting Newsnight to terminal decline? Not a chance. News IS now art. Why else would ALL interviews and reports be recorded in noisy streets, in wind and rain (umbrella deployed) and through cafe windows? Then there are the Hollywood-esque set pieces. Who for? Why?

The story about the new CJD case is tragic for the people involved, and perhaps represents a risk to the rest of the population... us. But the report misses a much bigger risk:

The EU plan to lift the ban on animal remains being included in animal feed. Aparently this is safe because we can rely on farmers not to give feed with bovine remains to cows, and not to give feed with poultry remains to chickens.

This is bonkers! The farming industry in Britain are to this day in denial about their responsibility for BSE, but we're supposed to trust farmers across the whole of the EU not to buy the cheapest feed available because it contains animal remains from the same species. If this policy goes ahead it's only a matter of time before the CJD disaster is repeated on a much bigger scale across the whole of Europe this time.

vCJD - yawn. The scaremongers were wrong last time, with their prediction of Auschwitz scale deaths, so I won't be listening to them this time either.

I'll be out enjoying the coldest December weather for 30 years and ignoring the Warmists as well.

in order to create hundreds of thousands of jobs all the govt has to do is stop blocking a feed in tariff.


instead we get more debt to bailout car companies who have the money to sponsor F1.

how much more evidence do we need to demonstrate they are as mad as hatters?


for the sake of the country this govt must go.

Does the fact that the Iraq inquiry cannot happen until after Jul 31st mean that an early election is more likely Mr. Crick?

I assume that it will re-open old wounds and much of the analysis of the time will now look hopelessly flawed. Not what you want before an election.

#18

"in order to create hundreds of thousands of jobs all the govt has to do is stop blocking a feed in tariff."

Could you get it up and running by January?

"instead we get more debt to bailout car companies who have the money to sponsor F1."

I doubt there is any thought of bailing out TATA except to preserve jobs; ones that are in place and could see us through January, without the gross inefficiencies of alternative energy (the ones that make such schemes viable if and only if there is a special tariff to be paid by consumers i.e. all of us).

The world isn't flat. Honest. You won't fall off if you venture from your zone.

#19

I'm not a betting man, but...............

Nail: "Ouch, who just hit me on the 'ead"

20.
...Could you get it up and running by January?...

given the fact the govt go out of their way to block a national programme could be rolled out quickly.

Thanks for the opportunity to explain again the proven benefits of a feed in tariff.

a feed in tariff is an investment in long term infrastructure that will reduce prices.

it generates billions in income

creates hundreds of thousands of jobs

makes the economy more energy efficient and secure and helps break up the energy monopoly that ofgems own metrics say is 3 times higher than should be resulting in an uncompetitive market that exploits the british people for profit. If oil prices had risen rather than fallen 100 dollars does anyone believe there would have been no price rises?

the evidence is there. the uk is alone in deliberately opposing it. Most other countries are going full speed ahead. So the uk is out of step.

why block a feed in tariff that allows people to sell back to the grid? there is no economic reason.

more evidence the oil price spike was driven by speculators rather than supply and demand. remember being told only 10% of the price was speculation?

in order to get themselves out of a hole due to the housing fiasco the funds piled into commodities to try to get the money back and broke the world economy.

we read

...One of the key speculators responsible for this summer’s price rise was Tulsa-based SemGroup, a midstream company that began to trade big positions in the crude market. Recall that oil futures prices peaked on July 14 at $145.16 per barrel. On July 15, SemGroup was forced to liquidate a huge number of oil futures contracts at an enormous loss. On July 22, SemGroup filed for bankruptcy. And prices for both oil and natural gas have been on a steady decline ever since.....

and

...Perhaps more important than the current price is the bearish sentiment in the market which seems to indicate that oil and natural gas prices will go lower still and stay there for months, or even years, to come....



this knowledge is widespread in the financial world yet the govt seems to back up the incredible misinformation being pumped out by those gaining big profits from squeezing the uk consumer.

it is a crime against every person paying a huge heat bill this winter or those who simply freeze.

this do nothing govt must go.

THE CONSEQUENCES OF WISHFUL THINKING?

bookhimdano (#23) "this do nothing govt must go."

But, a 'do-something' government would, pragmatically speaking, amount to either National Socialism or Socialism in One Country (as in the PRC), i.e some form of totalitarianism. That this has been so effectively vilified through post war, and Cold War, propaganda in favour of Liberal-Democracy makes it almost inconceivable that anything like that could ever make any headway with the UK electorate. The Lisbon Treaty isn't helping matters as that all but enshrines Liberal-Democratic politics.

A lot of the above hinges on what's been said for decades just being black propaganda of course.

The alternative is that matters will just continue to get worse as the population degenerates until in the end, some form of totalitarianism is imposed under a State of Emergency in order to get a grip on lawlessness.

JJ #24

We're talking about 'Idiocracy' here aren't we?

#22 Bookhindano

"a feed in tariff is an investment in long term infrastructure that will reduce prices.

it generates billions in income

creates hundreds of thousands of jobs"


It is costs, not prices that really count. Costs relate to resources, prices to the share out.

If FiT is cost efficient, why the need for a subsidy? Isn't that an obvious contradiction?

As an alternative it creates ZERO income. The only difference is the cost of producing electricity in a different way (and possible environmental costs or benefits). Producing the same thing a different way does not create wealth/value unless (i.e. only if) it reduces costs (a penny saved is a penny earned).

It creates jobs (extra implied), as well as income? You mean it consumes real resources (labour) adds nothing to output (energy) and it creates value (income)? Not on this planet!
I suspect you suffer from a money illusion and a rather blinkered field of view.

If there are negative externalities in the conventional production of electricity then it may well be sensible to tax its production. Make private cost equal full social cost. That might create a commercial cost differential in favour of alternative methods. If Fit worked then, OK. I'm wondering if you have shares in the company that sells the equipment needed?

NewFazer (#25) Herrnstein and Murray (1994) warned that this is where the data says we're headed, in Feb 2007, ETS said so very clearly too, before that, Herrnstein said it back in '89, '73 and Cattell said it about Britain back in 1937. Sadly, liberal-democracies don't appear to have the wherewithall to do much, if anything, about it as far as I can tell. They just implement policies which exacerbate the trend.

PPPPPPP

In conclusion then is the pen mightier than the sword.
Depends how sharp it is.

That's all the Guff you are getting from me, sadly there will a trillion times more Guff coming from the Guffys at the two Guffy houses.

B C IN U X

Happy Xmas Happy Hogger's oot