成人论坛

So ... the Nu Cons want to devolve 鈥榩ower鈥� to more local control.

They, the Nu Cons, want to reduce the number of HMP鈥檚 thereby giving HMP鈥檚 the 鈥榓uthority鈥� to vote on behalf of a greater number of constituents at the same time as having less 鈥榩arty鈥� bodies to whip in the lower house.

And now they are going to replace the 成人论坛 Trust with an 鈥榓uthority鈥� selected, overseen by, and responsible to the lower house!

And some posters think the policies of the BNP are draconian!

State controlled television ?.... I DO NOT think so!

Mr Hunt, culture shadow for the Nu Cons, states that it should be 鈥淛ournalism before party politics鈥� .....

He may be going in the right direction by suggesting that contemporary journalism is more about idealism, status and ideology than informing but ....

Can one dare imagine Nu Con, or any other political party, controlled broadcasting?

And some Posters on here complain about the moderators now!


And .... Oh yes! .......

During my earlier years on this planet I had the good fortune to be surrounded by people whom, for almost all of the time, kept to their part of Nature鈥檚 bargain and tried their best to contribute to making me a decent human being. I鈥檓 still trying to keep to my part of that same contract. Some days you do, ....... but I do try.

As part of the - always - ongoing process I used to have what might then have been called 鈥渓ife鈥檚 unwritten rules鈥� thrown at me as and when 鈥榯hey鈥� thought it right stroke couldn鈥檛 think of something more appropriate to say ......

鈥淚 thought I was bad off 鈥榗oz I had no shoes ....鈥� All fur coat ....鈥� 鈥淒on鈥檛 turn the light off when you need to see!鈥� (It took a while to realise that this last was about intellect rather than bulbs!)

Anyway, you know the type of thing.

I used to listen, ponder, sometimes meander and occasionally tried to 鈥榯urn off the light鈥� but they must have meant something worthwhile as they鈥檝e stuck with me so far. Ironically when I've tried to pass on these pearls of wisdom as part of my parental responsibility I鈥檝e had strange responses and replies to the examples above ....

鈥淏ut I still want the trainers Dad!鈥� .... 鈥淯rgh ... Gross!鈥� and 鈥淏ut what about the planet?鈥�

(I exaggerate in jest!)

One of these quasi-throwaway 鈥渦nwritten rules鈥� was .....

鈥淎 man that betrays his wife will surely betray his country.鈥�

Today it would appear that the Nu Cons haven鈥檛 heard of that one,

but they do know about the sacrificial lamb!

So .... Should we question someone鈥檚 judgement?


And .... Oh yes! ....... 2.

Today鈥檚 Politics Show .... There鈥檚 that Agenda again!


And .... Oh yes! ....... 3

Ignorance of the Law is not innocence!

If these HMP鈥檚 refuse to pay back owed monies .....

They get pretty hefty 鈥榬elocation鈥� allowances don鈥檛 they?


Nine days 鈥榯il Kelly!

"In Afghanistan - where eight more soldiers died today - there is not one but two battles being fought. The battle to conquer the Taliban, and
another equally devastating battle, to keep women and their babies alive. Maternal mortality is one of the country's most persistent problems and Lyse Doucet has been to the remote region of Badakshan to see what happens to all too many women there. Her film is very moving,
as women desperately try to help each other in a society where women can't even seek medical help without their husband's permission - and
there's scant medical assistance anyway."

What is the TFR for Afghanistan Kirsty? Does Afghani TV cover the plight of mothers in Dorking - below replacement level TFRs and extinction etc? I bet they don't!

Who pays the medical bills in Afghanistan? Is it the case that non working females in Muslim marriages need the permission of their husbands to seek medical advice because the husband has to pay the bills, or is it just a marital courtesy? You don't say! Should women just be able to do whatever they like whenever they please? cf. anarchism ;-)

Why so much concern about the welfare of Afghan women and their children etc when our economy and culture is going down the tubes?

Do you not see how barking 'mad' this all is? Especially when David Miliband says it is crucial to our security! As many peole have said, our local bombers came from Leeds!

We will shortly have up to about 9500 troops over there. To give a sense of perspective, that's about 8 large Secondary schools. We have something like 4,500 Secondary schools in England and Wales. Do you know what the population of Afghanistan and Pakistan adds up to? I'm sure Lyse, like other 成人论坛 journalists, likes her 'jollies' around corrupt Asia, but why not focus on what's happening in the UK? Most people are no more interested in Afghanistan than Afghanis are in Britain!

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Streetphotobeing

Just to let you know that I have become a member of The Poetry Society and have submitted four new ditties but it's probably better if I don't mention publically what they are about.

Otherwise II have had and am continuing to have an interesting day sprinkled with snaps taken while cycling throuugh London streets.

No doubt, I shall be in touch later.

mim

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"Should it be made clearer in schools that homophobia - like racism - is a punishable offence?" Kirsty

Only if we want the sort of 'schools' where the very young have to sit all day rocking back and forth while they commit to their as yet undeveloped brains, word-for-word the 'current laws' of a totalitarian nation, without any discussion or scope to challenge.



My dictionary (Oxford Advanced)is not up-to-date enough with the latest trends in sexual liberation to contain the word 'homophobia'; so I'm not sure if I'm guilty of it and should be punished.

It defines "racism: belief that human abilities are determined by race" so as I, quite naturally, feel more at ease with people who have similar beliefs and cultural upbringing to myself and avoid passing judgement on their 'human abilities' I guess I'm not guilt of that charge.

Perhaps the only way to realistically solve the Afghanistan war is to legalize the opium poppy crop, thus removing the Taliban's main source of income. Afghanistan could become a fully paid up democratic trading member of the world community providing medical opiates which are currently in short supply as pain relief.

Legal opium is currently grown in Australia where other crops such as wheat are a viable alternative, why should the Afghan peasants grow wheat when there is no infrastructure and where poppies are obviously the best suited to the environment. Increasing legal world opiate production could reduce the price and it could be possible to smash the black market in heroin if registered addicts in the west were supplied free. Drug enforcement could then concentrate on crack cocaine, after which ( I am informed ) addicts shoot heroin to ease the " downer " as they come down from the crack high.

Of course our quasi-religious politicians will never consider legalizing Afghan Opium, in any case the war was started to save US airlines then on the verge of bankruptcy. Like all wars in modern history, the Afghan war is a virtual welfare state for the stock market parasites. Mining shares always show big gains when extra troops are promised, more demand for expensive minerals like copper, and no chance of recycling anything. Likewise defense company stocks, a constant demand for ammo and new vehicles etc.

Afghananory

every few weeks for the benefit of the public out trots another 'reason' why we should be in afghanistan. this week's story is 'women and their babies '.

this is the behaviour of those running a false flag operation. in terms of 'reasons' we have gone from AQ camps to health care. what will it be next time? we are there to give them xmas parties that they are being denied?


Race.
if racism is a punishable offence then patronage of an organisation that has such polices should be a punishable offence?

"..it brings to light the Tory tussle between local control and centralised command, which is only going to become more intense as new selection rules are introduced in the New Year"

My options would be for the voter to have the democratic responsibility of selecting (and deselecting)MPs, by having a short-list of candidates of each party plus independants on the ballot paper and with a single transferable vote. There should be less MPs and more teleconferencing, leading to less travelling and expenses, no second homes, and more responsibilities transferred to local authorities, where we have better scrutiny and public attendance at meetings.

IF YOU CAN HATE WHILE GRIPPED BY 'IRRATIONAL FEAR'

You'll be a better man than I am, 'homophobe'.

The meeja is now speaking of 'homophobic hate crime' but whilst I admit a dislike (short of hate) for such meejababble I am not MEEJAPHOBIC as that is an IRRATIONAL FEAR, whereas my response to dopy meeja, is WHOLLY RATIONAL IRRITATION.

There is said to be a rise in attacks on openly homosexual males, and the Friendly Neighbourhood Bobby, suggests it is correlated to use of 'gay' as a term of abuse. I cannot help noticing that TV and radio drama seems obsessed with homosexuality; is it possible that some are actually annoyed by its constant exposure?

Not so many years ago, the term 'spastic' was used as abuse. As far as I know, sufferers from cerebral palsy were not subjected 'spastophobic' attack. Are we missing something?

MORE RABBIT THAN SAINSBURYS (#7)

"every few weeks for the benefit of the public out trots another 'reason' why we should be in afghanistan. this week's story is 'women and their babies '."

The old shifting-ethos ploy is also beloved of that terrible chap: Nick Griffin! The parallels between what we have, under Labour, and what Nick offers, just keep on emerging!

HISTORY: STRANGER THAN FICTION

- the man running the German war effort in 1917, . How the world has moved on!

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Streetphotobeing
As you know, I have been cycling through the streets of London quite a bit in the last couple of months and I've been somewhat surprised to see so many men standing on street corners, especially on my left, trying to attract my attention. Most of them are either shortish, stout looking guys or guys sporting moustaches. Is this a new fashion? Are they male prostitutes or what? Or maybe similar looking men will be appearing on Newsnight later on?

do you think we will EVER be told the real reason we are in Afghanistan? Thought not. Now it is because it is all about our security, y'know Muslims lobbing bombs at us down Birmingham New Street, yet that's what Milliband and his collective cabinet would have us believe, we don't do we? None of us believe that, yet they still keep peddling it. So they think we are thick, and to be fair, they may be right as we are into the eighth year of this crap and there is absolutely no sign of it ending. More deaths today, another grim cortege next week, the usual words of regret and condolence in the House at PMQ's tomorrow and on goes the Motley with the same predictable outcome. Please someone make it stop.

With regard to your item on 'Have Faith in Education', surely it's time for our mature, mainly secular society to place less store by (and sensitivity towards) faith and focus more on what culture we want to preserve.

I'm inclined to Professor Dawkin's view, that there is no such thing as a Catholic (Moslem or Christian) CHILD; only parents with a range of faiths and beliefs that they wrongly wish to indoctrinate into their offspring before they can think for themselves.

In my family, we have the mother who was indoctrinated as a Catholic, myself an atheist (or non-theist)and our teenage daughter, who my wife succeeded in getting placed in a Catholic school, with my tacit support, because of their obvious commitment to discipline and respect, compared to other schools in our locality.

Our daughter has reached a mature stage, without any pressure from either of us, at which she has chosen not to take part in holy communion and other rituals. She has clearly benefitted from using her own developed powers of study and logic, aided by a sound education, has pride in her mixed-race status and is equally comfortable with her friends and cousins in England and Philippines.

I cannot see any end to the complications arising from attempts to enforce multi-culturalism on our society with such strongly held diverse faiths, beliefs and cultures. It would be preferable to have the choice of schools that replace religious instruction in their curriculum with more emphasis on English culture, allowing the parents of all faiths who wish their children to be brought up in the English tradition, with just a brief review of faiths and beliefs.

But then I'm biased, as I wasn't sent to Sunday School so grew up without the threats of fire and brimstone.
Now children, all stand, for the next hymn to Mother Earth:-
"All things Bright and Beautiful, all creatures great and small,
Different, Sectarian and Violent, but Nature Evolved them all."

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY OF SUPPORTING POST 4

On the grounds that Ecolizzie is a better judge of what deserves to be in the public domain than some mercenary canine, I have no hesitation in giving my wholehearted endorsement - sight unseen - to post 4.

God save the Monarch-Equivalent!

barrie, your #9 reminded me of an old Rugby song, something like

Please refrain from Irritation
With any member of this Nation
Wait until the BNP are here.
If you cannot wait 'till that day
Come to Brighton, where we're all Gay
And what is more you'll find a man - no fear!

Well, it's on a par with other poetic posters,
I did it while I was putting me curlers in.

"In Afghanistan where eight more soldiers died today, there is not one but two battles being fought. The battle to conquer the Taliban, and another equally devastating battle, to keep women and their babies alive."

Kirsty Wark = Hanoi Jane

#15 My censored comment was in relation to JJs comment this... Why so much concern about the welfare of Afghan women and their children etc when our economy and culture is going down the tubes? and British womens situation.

And this... older women having babies

And this... poor woman from third world countries having babies here.

But I can't say anymore or I'm dogged or something! ; )

I have just been watching the item on homophobic attacks.

It would have been nice if Anne Atkinson had been able to make her point instead of her "opponent" closing her down. This matter needs to be discussed openly and EVERYONE should be allowed to give their views AND explain them. Debate not confrontation please.

At school in the early 1990s, I "came out" to a few friends. One of them "leaked" the information. A week or so later, a gang wielding baseball bats chased me across a local park, them on mopeds, me on foot. I survived, but only through luck. Since then, homophobia has been something that only happened elsewhere.

The luck didn't stay with me. A few years ago I got ill with a natural, ordinary bowel complaint. The NHS oddly took forever to deal with it. I pushed through treacle for almost a year to get it sorted - too ill to work, slowly bleeding to death. It was solved in a single 2hr operation. And then I asked why it had taken so long. The answer: the consultant had been writing nasty notes about how I had brought the illness upon myself due to my sexuality. Because obviously a bowel problem equals being a homosexual. Of course! She did everything she could to let me die of a simple bowel problem because I'd brought it upon myself by being, shock, horror, a GAY!

The Healthcare Commission censured the hospital, but she's still there and still, I'd imagine, killing gay people with ordinary bowel complaints because we deserve it. Homophobia doesn't need to involve a gang kicking a young guy to death to manifest itself. It only requires a newspaper columnist to suggest that people die of gay, or a consultant to decide to let someone die of gay, or Ms Atkins to decide that, well, we're going to Hell anyway because we've got gay, or a single kid to not report being chased across a park by guys on motorbikes because he had gay and couldn't say anything because the rest of the town could then have joined in.

Homophobia is slowly dying out. When my husband and I had our civil partnership last month, everybody we knew - everybody - expressed delight. But it only takes one person to kill him or me. Eventually, those people will die off. I only hope that happens, peacefully and naturally, before they poison the next generation.

I don't think any of the ......isms have gone away really. Just buried deep inside everyone, on the outside all shiney, and open and bright, but a seething mass of horrible thoughts inside. That's what PC has done!

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@ecolizzy in post 21: The first part of making something unacceptable is to remove the ability of people to spout such unthinking nonsense without being challenged. That's not political correctness: you remain entitled to your views. It's just that others are also entitled to let you know that you are in a minority and that your views, whatever they are, however deeply you hold them, are no longer acceptable.

It was once okay to call people with cerebral palsy "spastics". In fact, it was the official word. It was once okay to call Black Britons "darkies" or words I won't even now type. It was once okay to call women who didn't conform to the minority view that they should marry, not vote and shut up "sl-t". It was once okay to call Britons whose great-grandparents were from the Indian subcontinent "p-ki". It was once okay to call those of us who were born gay "p--fs". It was once okay to enslave somebody because of the colour of their skin. It was once okay to stone adulteresses. It was once okay to burn witches. It was once okay to behead women who couldn't produce a royal heir. It was once okay to coat the fields with DDT and kill not only the insects but also the birds, small mammals and children who played there.

It isn't now. That's not political correctness. That's progress.

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Post 24 somewhat misses the point, mistaking your own old-fashioned views for being the views of a mythical "majority" and not seeing that people born gay are not leading "a perverted way of life": in fact, the belief that people who are naturally and normally born gay are in some way perverts is what drives those that actually do condone violence towards gay people. It's always worth looking at who your allies are when you take a particular position. A belief that your personal dislike of gays, "coloureds", women, the disabled, immigrants, Methodists, Socialists, Rotarians, WRVS or whatever doesn't reflect back into your attitudes to those people and doesn't reflect back into society's views of such people is mistaken. You're stood uncomfortably close to people you shouldn't be comfortable being so close to.

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A bucketful of gold I鈥檝e snapped into my lap
Tonight Streetphotobeing
Tomorrow I shall wave even more
Into it for us to enjoy
But for the time being
Streetphotobeing
Hope your sleep鈥檚 undisturbed
I myself am doing quite well
mim

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The most interesting thing I saw yesterday was Andrzej Wajda's film called 'Sweet Rush' with Krystyna Janda in the main role. It's a deeply moving story about real love which, together with her acting, made me cry and if I hadn't controlled myself I would have probably been weeping until now.
Krystyna Janda's acting is absolutely outstanding. I'm thinking of writing a dittie in Polish about the film and her story to her and Mr Wajda at some stage tomorrow. They've been kind to me not like some of the Newsnight bloggers who seem to have lost all humanity they are so keen on the gold.
mim

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And if only they realised it is not the gold I am after
But something much more relevant, something infinitely smarter.
It is love, Newsnight bloggers, it is not the dosh.
Though I enjoy exchanging glances with people looking quite posh.

Looking elegant and smart but with their dignity preserved
Some of them from the Blue Moon and some from elsewhere.
mim

@23 wrote

"That's not political correctness, that's progress"

some may argue.. ones mans meat is another mans poison.

I have no beef with the gay and lesbian lifestyle but you can't expect everybody to happily agree with it. To some its an abomination, for others its just a quirk of nature - the lack of or too much testosterone provided by the mother in the growing fetus in early pregnancy; too much testosterone in a girl and you get the butch lesbian; not enough testosterone in the boy and you get Graham Norton...seriously, that's the science. The image of two men having sexual relations for heterosexual men is always going to be difficult for them to deal with - its just very unnatural; as unnatural for a gay man to have sex with a woman might be i suppose. The promotion of gay lifestyles and the rights that they have been given, laws created - homophobic hate crimes - is a progressive move that all decent people would agree with, but it can be pushed a little too far at times. A little old lady gets a visit from police officers informing her that the letter she had sent to her council complaining about the gay parade is a hate crime and she is now looking at possible prosecution for having this opinion.

There are some in the gay community who have difficulty with the straight community...they call us 'baby makers' and I have met more than one venomous lesbian before now...with that often used refrain that ..'all men are b*s'...I hate to say it, but it cuts both ways.

I do hope they catch the scum who attacked the young trainee police officer, its just a pity that the penalty won't match the crime, it never does. And its also a pity your female guest was forced to kowtow... gays, as illistrated tonight, can also be bullies.

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Tonight I had such beautiful dreams
Of mountains all built out of gold.
Whenever I felt hungry or just wanted a feast,
I would chip at one and then lick yet another,
With the air steeped in bright sunshine not in some mist.

Oh, I was so happy, Streetphotobeing, I felt like a goddess!
In a position like that I forgot about the homeless.
I even stopped dittying and threw out all my books
That I intended to finish once free of the crooks.

But now that I'm awake I don't feel all that bad
With intentions to continue my rhythm and rhyme thread.

I hope you are well, Streetphotobeing, you didn't write at all yesterday.
mim

23 "It's just that others are also entitled to let you know that

YOU ARE IN A MINORITY AND that YOUR VIEWS,

whatever they are, however deeply you hold them,

ARE NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE"

Some minorities are more equal than others?

Now that IQ amongst Africans is increasing twice as fast as amongst Europeans, race and IQ is back on the agenda?

But, I won't be hanging around on Thurs to watch ethnic European groups being psychologically bullied by ethnic groups from Africa, Asia and the Middle East.

23 - have a look at the language used to describe women on Digital Spy - the women's movement did not have the same success as the gay/race movements in reshaping language/ideology - ghetto culture re-introduced the B word after it had already become socially unacceptable - and with far greater negative connotations than previously, hence one of the female rappers felt she had to 'reclaim' the word some years ago, and now it is common parlance.

"At school in the early 1990s, I "came out" to a few friends. "

Lots of heterosexuals also experience unpleasant sexual situations that they have to get themselves out of and, unlike homosexuality, often the situation is not legal.

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Just to let you know that instead of dittying I've prosed to both Krystyna Janda and Andrzej Wajda musing really around my contemplatative and emotional impressions of the film 'Sweet Rush', in Polish 'Tatarak' whereby her own story of confronting her husband's death is interwined with another story by a Polish writer. In her memoirs she testifies to the real love that Edward Klosinski had for her.
These days, as the only actor/acteress, she runs her own theatre called 'Polonia' in Warsaw and is now constructing another one with her daughter Maria Seweryn. The 'poor' woman is almost unbelievable in the way she handles everything, combining her artistic and practical talents together with looking after her family. Apparently, Mr Wajda helps her by frequently giving her support and advice - 'putting her in a vertical position' as she says in her Friday's diary. I would call it love as well, don't you think?
mim

"Mr Wajda helps her by frequently giving her support and advice - 'putting her in a vertical position' as she says"

Now that's what I call marital courtesy!! :)

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I think it may be worthwhile to add one fact to Krystyna Janda's love story.
Her first husband, Andrzej Seweryn, has remarried and lives in France. He is a famous actor in Poland and well known in the country where he now lives. Janda and Seweryn have a daugther whose name is Maria. Janda also remarried, i.e. Edward Klosinski with whom she has two sons. As per film 'Tatarak' Klosinski died of cancer. When he was still alive Andrzej Seweryn came to Warsaw and all of them worked together on a play in Krystyna Janda's theatre.
Now, I would suggest that this true fact is a testimony to what can be achieved in life if people behave in a civilised and humane way.
Should the bloggers be interested to learn more about the above mentioned individuals, their stories are available on Wikipedia and their images on Google.
mim

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It鈥檚 the suspense that鈥檚 worst of it all
It鈥檚 not the scotoma or jj鈥檚 vile and criminal 鈥榓ctions鈥�
Who is now hiding behind wappaho鈥檚 rantings.

I am now full of worry and it鈥檚 the truth that I need
It has always been so. I now need the truth feed.
If at all it is possible, if the time is now right
Whatever happens I鈥檓 not giving up on my fight.
mim

#20 & 23 I wasn't referring to anyone in particular, just pointing out everything has gone underground, people still hate each other, but can't express it in any way, perhaps more sinister. So where does this hatred come out? Because it will eventually. Remember we are all animals. I think there is more unhappiness and prejudice nowadays as in the non PC days gone by. Every tiny section of society thinks they're more important than anyone else, society as a whole doesn't count.

You speak of the doctors attitude to you, I can't comment on that, you might have a genuine greivence.

But I'm overweight, every time I see any doctor, they say well if you lost some weight, you wouldn't have etc.etc.

Can you imagine what's said to some smokers or drinkers, they are also made to feel pyriahs.

And for goodness sake don't get old, they really don't want to know, it's what do you expect at your age?!!!

You are not the only one that has come up against miserable doctors. All of us come up against prejudice at some time, not just some sections of society.

CONGRATUALTIONS TO THE NEWSNIGHT BLOG/FORUM

There are views posted above that I never expected too see - however reasonable couched - on here. Bravo!

Having been 'referred'(#22)in spite of extreme judiciousness, I will confine myself to two lines:

Most supposedly human behaviour, especially the violent and 'gender' activity - however directed, is driven by animal imperatives. No amount of cerebral rule-making will impinge at root.

Animals do not have imperatives. They might have innate drives but they also think. They don't know they're thinking but they do make decisions. Descartes should have said, 'I know I am thinking, therefore I am conscious'. As mentioned in the Horizon programme only humans, chimps and orangutans are consious.

Just a quick story from history re some of the comments here and might assist Go1 and others in understanding something about the BNP, PC, hate, subversion, society etc.

Sometimes I post reggae tracks here. It is very simple to type the name of a reggae artist eg Bob Marley and the name Marcus Garvey into a search engine and you will get a result. Why?

Marcus Garvey was an early 20century black rights activist. One of the few groups he had no problem with and indeed had a certain amount of respect for was the Klu Klux Klan. Bizarre?

No not as Garvey saw it. He saw the clan as honest and none hypocritical. He knew where he stood with the clan. What you see is what you get.

What concerned Garvey more was the deep, hidden, subversive hatred. Covered by layers of what we now call PC etc.

I don't have to write much here just give an introduction. Search for Marcus Garvey and read his Wiki or listen to any politically and ideologically aware reggae artist. His relationship with the Klan is relevant to some of the discussion both here and in the past on these blogs.

Celtic Lion

#40 from mimpromptu
ecolizzy
Somewhere above you were talking about -isms. You're absolutely right, some people are not able to see beyond them, it's always been like that. Personally, I have a feeling that I would have got on much better with people like Socrates, Epicurus, Montaaigne and Kant than many a 'professional' academic currently ranting about their knowledge and who's studied not only Dostoyesky, Chekhow, Pushkin but also all the major religions and Einstein.
With regard to all humans being animals - yes, sure, but only. We have at our disposal our brains and minds, as well as ethics, which constantly juxtapose with the animal instincts. However, when the brain/mind/soul gets warped, like that of jj's/wappaho's then we are faced with a problem which needs to be resolved.
Luckily, I've only had two really bad experiences with doctors in this country, apart from fellow workers at Atkinson Morley's and who is a sell-out psychiatrist from Queen Mary's, Roehamptom. The another one was at Kingston Hospital when I had one of my wisdom teeth removed. A butch looking female Registrar talked down to me with a patronising voice and then they gave me a whooping painful injection into one of the bones in my hand. I have no way of knowing what they got up to in that surgical theatre. I dread to think, though. But I've never been refused treatment because of smoking or when I had a drink problem for a while though I don't think all of the doctors have always been completely straight with me but then this did seem to lead to any real harm anyway. For example, I have once asked for one particular medication for my digestive problem but was given another which I do not use and have resorted to buying the one that helps over the counter.
P.S. I was referred to Kingston Hospital by a Chinese dentist couple from Putney. When I went back to see him he wasn't all that friendly and I thought he was a bit greedy. Although dentists are doctors I treat them as a different kettle of fish from the others.

an addendum from mimpromptu to #44
Oh, that there was another dentist, a female one from Warsaw this time. She didn't seem quite straight financially or otherwise with me. At the time she was working for some English agency she said. She lives and works on the outskirts of Warsaw near a small aeorodrome and her first name, if I'm not wrong, is Ewa. She told me she put a rod in my 2nd upper tooth on the right in order to 'strengthen' it.
My family have her more exhaustive details should they ever become needed for further investigations.

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Streetphotobeing
Just to let you know that following your advice I have just e-mailed Chris O'Donovan of the Media Society to consider taking a few photos and possibly a video of me gliding and twirling at Queen's as well as to perhaps give me advice on my own street and otherwise snapping. I have asked him, however, to first contact Jeremy Paxman re: filming rights, etc.

..As mentioned in the Horizon programme only humans, chimps and orangutans are consious...

then that programme is very unconscious.


Up Tory
nice to see the tory party racked with divisions and calls of 'the ending of democracy' before they even get power? by such outbursts they show the public what they are really like and that they haven't changed at all. will they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Paul

you might want to investigate carbon trading. isn't it really taxing a person's existence? and so by definition to become the largest market in the world as 4 billion people will need to be paying in to it? and is it really a rothschild rockafeller controlled stitch up that will make them fabulously wealthy as they take a cut of every trade.

there is something deeply sinister about the carbon market as its the closest anyone has ever got to taxing air.

#43 kingcelticlion

"One of the few groups he had no problem with and indeed had a certain amount of respect for was the Klu Klux Klan. Bizarre?

No not as Garvey saw it. He saw the clan as honest and none hypocritical. He knew where he stood with the clan. What you see is what you get.

What concerned Garvey more was the deep, hidden, subversive hatred. Covered by layers of what we now call PC etc."

I can't say I know much about Garvey and I am not going to look right now. Garvey would have had an opinion and say Luther King another.

You can call me "PC" but the lynchings and violence of the KKK are what black people often got and the world is considerably better now that they don't have to endure that mindless hatred.

I don't care whether evil is openly viewed or hidden from view.

If you can engage with people BEFORE they enter into the orbit of emotional hatred that dominates the far right thinking that is indeed worthy. So where the real views are hidden from view I say expose them and draw them out. Eugenics, race "realism" Holocaust "agnosticism" and so on.

But otherwise your view is flawed in that evil is evil. There is no additional merit or demerit for honesty of expression.

You don't sit down and reason with a Hitler that their views on Jews are baseless as they are emotionally and intellectually incapable of that.

Those that don't implacably resist evil when they know it exists have to share in some of the responsibility for anything happens as a consequence.

But you don't believe in Party politics and the BNP is a political party.

#48 (addendum)

When Nick Griffin of the BNP described the victims of the Copeland gay pub bombing in Soho "flaunting their perversion in front of the world's journalists, [and had] showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures disgusting".

I don't think the survivors thought "well at least he is honest"!

The BNP said of Lambertus Nieuwhof, who tried to blow up a mixed-race school in South Africa in 1992 that "Everybody should be allowed to make a mistake."

Johann Hari who was on last night also recently reminded us that a previous member Tony Lecomber, was jailed for three years in the 1980s for plotting to blow up the offices of a left-wing political party.He later beat a Jewish teacher unconscious. When he was freed after another three years inside, he was swiftly promoted through the BNP ranks. He was only ditched after he approached a Liverpool hitman to discuss how they could "take out" a cabinet minister.

These are just a few incidents.


Who is promoting the hatred that leads to a Roma woman with a four day old child getting a kicking in Belfast recently? The English Defence League and homophobic attacks are all just randomly flaring up?

People can talk about being PC but I think that plain common sense should kick in when you are dealing with evil.

#47 bookhimdano

"there is something deeply sinister about the carbon market as its the closest anyone has ever got to taxing air."

Its all been openly agreed via the UN as a way to try and stave off the impact of human induced climate change via CO2.

Its like calling a surgeon sinister.

#11 jaded_Jean

"Ludendorff - the man running the German war effort in 1917, refered to by Churchill in Hansard in 1919 with some respect. How the world has moved on!"

In stages 1917-9 is BEFORE the attempted putsch with Hitler and his role in creating the Nazi tyranny that led to WWII and the Holocaust. So Churchill would have had no reason not to have respect at that time.

Given your many favourable posts in the past about the merits of Hitler's policy and leadership I would suggest that sadly the world has not moved on for everybody.

THE SINGER NOT THE SONG

The denizens of Westminster are singing, in unison, the refrain: "We must change this disgraceful system" and in so doing demonstrate their cross-party solidarity in the Westminster Game.

The lie has now been repeated sufficiently for the pudding-headed masses to accept it. But the demonstration of unison is the clue; these fools and knaves, and the ethos they bathed in, underlay the allowances scam - NOT THE SYSTEM. I am still waiting for the Monarch to sweep into her Westminster palace and rout the lot of them. Times are dire - she is the one person who can do this. It would be a 'suicide mission', but WHAT a triumph!

#5 indignantindegene

"Only if we want the sort of 'schools' where the very young have to sit all day rocking back and forth while they commit to their as yet undeveloped brains, word-for-word the 'current laws' of a totalitarian nation, without any discussion or scope to challenge."

I think even students in the 'schools' would know that in a democracy change can be brought via new governments. We are not a totalitarian nation. Thats how the laws were brought in, after discussion and debate, to combat racism and homophobia and are supported I think by all of the democratically orientated political parties.

I seem to recall that Nick Griffin on Question Time could not explain his past views but even he, of the BNP, certainly did not reiterate his comments following the Copeland gay pub bombing that the victims were:

"flaunting their perversion in front of the world's journalists, [and had] showed just why so many ordinary people find these creatures disgusting".

Is he a sell-out in your world?

Sarah (Kristy)

~Should it be made clearer in schools that homophobia - like racism - is a punishable offence? ...Yes, it should be a punishable offence; Since it would send a clear message!

~Has homophobia really gone away or is it just in the closet? ...It is in the closet...Homophobia, will never go away....

=Dennis Junior=

# 50 thegangofone - isn't a problem with carbon trading that it is the creation of yet another artificial asset that can be traded by the bankers? Was it the only or best way to achive the end?

I'm loathe to enter into the racism debate but I am concerned that I may be considered racist by many because, given the choice of continuing to live where I live in the UK and moving abroad then, assuming I would have the same economic opportunity and standard of living, I would choose to live here. Given a number of choices, I could also rank my preferences. Would you do likewise?

thegangofone
"Its all been openly agreed via the UN as a way to try and stave off the impact of human induced climate change via CO2"

You never question anything do you? Just blindly follow and trust your leaders are always right and telling you the truth, you really need to open your mind my friend.

It was wrong not to let Anne Atkinson help viewers understand that the majority of people will not condone violence towards gay people but still don't have to subscribe to accepting that way of life. She should have been allowed to give her point of view and it was wrong to let her opponent shut her down. He can't know the other point of view if he can't listen to it!............ and nor can the rest of us

#53Go1
"Thats how the laws were brought in, after discussion and debate, to combat racism and homophobia and are supported I think by all of the democratically orientated political parties".

Any debate and discussion that may have taken place did not involve the people on either issue, so what you refer to as 'the democratically organised parties' don't stand the basic tests of democracy as defined in my dictionary (Oxford Advanced): -
"country with government which encourages and allows rights of citizenship such as freedom of speech, religion, opinion and association, the assertion of the rule of law, majority rule, accompanied by respect for the rights of minorities"

The UK major political parties have certainly allowed the rights of citizenship to hordes of people with alien cultures (and many with evil intent), have stifled freedom of speech, bowed before primitive beliefs, shown too much respect for minorities and ignored the opinions of the indigenous electors. Majority rule does not result through our electoral system where more than 50% voted against the party in power, which forces through legislation by means of deceit and power of the 3-line whip.

Since you mention Nick Griffin, you may have turned your blind eye to the fact that 成人论坛 received 10,710 comments to their first 'Have Your Say' about the Question Time programme featuring Griffin, and a further 8662 comments to their second HYS. Both HYSs were closed and withdrawn whilst more than 50% of the responses were still "awaiting monitoring". That may be a 成人论坛 damage limitation exercise since the vast majority of those comments published were favourable to BNP as were the comments that scored the most 'Recommend' hits.

There is a huge mis-match between what the public thinks and what the government want us to think. Some interesting material has recently been disclosed about the behind-the-scenes political reasons for inflicting multiculture on this fair land, and some hasty 'redacting'is under way to conceal the venal facts from the GBP. That mismatch goes for the establishment generally, even to Buck Palace, where royaly are more concerned about the use of Winston Churchill's picture than on any of the major and serious issues that motivate bloggers on this site and elsewhere.

I though it might prove the existence of a parallel universe, but there is far to much divergence for that!

'You don't sit down and reason with a Hitler that their views on Jews are baseless as they are emotionally and intellectually incapable of that.'

The disturbing thing is that the 成人论坛 has done so because it makes 'great TV'

And were all forced to pay for it.

Hitler - refused entry to the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts 1907 and in 1908 - he didn't understand the human form - he was 'unfit for painting'

He became homeless - a bum .

Can you imagine Hitler standing in front of a piece of marble with no earthy chance of being able to perform a "Praxitelean curve" let alone being about to grasp the level of skill and genius of Praxiteles at the point of his art. Can you imagine Hitler two and a half thousand or so years ago at say Delphi with everyone gathered - Polykleitos, Myron, Phidias, Kresilas, spare him the likes of Socrates and Plato. He would be crumbs of burnt toast in a wasted second.

A wasted second. In the twentieth Century a bum art reject laid waste to 5 years and millions of lives. Maybe the 成人论坛 thinks more of the same will make 'great TV'

50. goo wrote...Its all been openly agreed via the UN as a way to try and stave off the impact of human induced climate change via CO2....

it may have been but it comes out of the bogus climate change religion.

basically it is saying because you exist you have a carbon footprint. the only way for you not to have a carbon footprint is for you to be dead. So as long as you are alive you must pay a tax to live because your life is a carbon sin.

so you must forever buy [through taxes] carbon credits like the papal indulgences of old. And who is selling these carbon indulgences? A charity? a Govert quango? NO. A consortium dominated by roschild and rockerfeller companies who get a cut of every carbon credit issued.

so without letting the people really know what is going on every person for the rest of their life must pay to exist. there is no tax free existence quota of life as one has a tax free portion of earnings. For the self appointed climate changers inquisition All your life is a carbon sin for which you must pay fees. Which frankly is bonkers.

it is akin to taxing air.

in the medieval time surgeons thought the cure for illness was leeches and bleeding. that is the level of this carbon medicine.

that is why this carbon fraud must be challenged. no just as a supreme folly but that its a money making machine for private individuals.

"YOU CAN BUY CARBON AND BUY-INTO JARGON - BUT DON'T TELL SUSAN"

Yay Bookhim! You gonna tell Wattie or shall I?

#59 from mimpromptu re: Hitler
Streetphotobeing
I may differ with you slightly on the absolute necessity of studying at an Academy of Fine Arts before becoming a great sculptor. Rodin was never admitted to the Beaux Arts in Paris and we know what he has been able to achieve. But then he was one in a billion or a trillion or whatever. Hitler, however, especially the one that's homeless nowadays is a con artist. Has anybody ever seen anything that's he painted? It's all crap, I suspect and in fact he probably doesn't paint at all and is just making it all up. He may have some other skills but with a personality like that who cares.