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I'm really, really, pleased Miriam won her case, I wrote to the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ when it axed all the older female presenters of Countryfile, I find it appalling that the older women is hardly ever seen on the beeb. Miriam is an excellent presenter, clear, intelligent and articulate. Watch out Kirsty, you'll be next! ; )

Countryfile is now a pale immitation of the wonderful programme it was. I believe it was linked in some way to Farming Today at one time, now it's an activity centre for young people to play. Much like Blue Peter for adults who can't grow up, and realise the problems we have in the countryside. It's all whoop de do, and what piece of peaceful countryside can we wreck now.

I knew this was a serious problem ten years ago. When my niece was born in a West London hospital, the first thing they did was immunise her for TB, at just a few hours old. It showed even then the prevalance of TB in our community.

I like the way the US media portrayed the Arizona shooter as a tea party nut. All day they banged on about it. Even the Sheriff went on about it. Now it transpires the shooter was a pot smoking occultist leftist whose favorite read is the Communist manifesto. Interesting comments from some of his friends ( and we thought he was a lone nut) that he kept mentioning subjects about mind control and such like, especially more so after he was refused a position in the US army. I suppose this story will get buried now, a bit like the Fort Hudd shooting. When the shooter was discovered to be a radicalized Muslim army Major, the story went dead; the media just dropped the story. If he'd have been a white male or a tea party merchant the leftist Media mouthpiece's would've sat on the shoulders of that story and banged on about it out for months.
As for the good folk at the beeb not really understanding why Americans carry guns. May i suggest you look at the second amendment of the US constitution; something about the right to bear arms. Why is Arizona a state that has high gun ownership? Take a look at what borders Arizona and read a little bit of history then take a look at the recent stats regarding murders of farmers and their family members and border agents etc. The murder rate is very high from the incoming border running Mexican immigrants, though those stories gets little coverage on msnbc and the other news outlets. Can the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳/Newsnight please employ a non-political researcher to aid in the news presentation, watching newsnight can be frustrating at time. The lack of basic knowledge of culture's other than our own is not serving the viewer at all well

2... Stop it Ecoli....I remember our headmaster telling us that TB had been erradicated in Britain...and that was in about 1954. Mind you my mother got it just after that from nursing a foreign sailor...and in her youth she had nursed whole wards of people with TB.

She said the worst part was the children begging her not to be moved to the end bed in the ward...because they all knew that the next move was to the mortuary.

Still....I`m sure NN will have a far more upbeat focus on this little multicultural hiccup......maybe Steve Smith could give Newport Pagnal a miss and take a humorous look at the areas where TB is back in Britain.....like outside my house where an elderly newly-arrived Chinese "student" is coughing his lungs out while waiting for a bus!

A DIAMOND GEEZER DEFENDS TOP BANKER 'COMPENSATION' (aka BONUSES)

Notice how 'Bob' Diamond (et al) calls a bonus 'COMPENSATION'.

This can only be compensation for HAVING TO DO THE JOB THEY ARE PAID TO DO.

Will someone ask Mr Diamond WHY they feel moved to use a soft weasel word, unless it is to hide embarrassment.

Remember how Winscale became embarrassing - so they renamed it Sellafield. Plus ca change.

CANDY FROM A BABY - CANDY FROM A CANDY-WAREHOUSE?

Surely the bankers are succumbing to the childish logic that the amount they take, compared to the amount in the bank, is too small to matter? And the politicians, being of the same ilk, cannot REALLY see a problem.

The clue is in the word CHILDISH. Maturity is almost absent in Britain. Might it have something to do with the priorities with which we assail our young?

Will that be debated on Newsy-Nighty any time soon?

THE 'LOGIC' OF IMMUNISING BABIES (#2)

As I understand it, the 'medical view' is that babies have a vast excess of immune system, so bombing it with multiple immunisation is of 'no account'. (Not unlike bankers and the bank-money - see #6!) No one seems to consider that Nature put those massive defences in place, even though not envisaging mans intervention in her domain. The human body has all sorts of economies built-in; why would it develop a surfeit of defence against no attack?

"Tread softly for you tread on my genes." (anonymous newborn)

The banks caused this latest crisis and nearly brought the whole financial system down and we are now rewarding them for fixing the problem they caused. When bankers say it is the market which determines their remuneration they should remember that the market hasn't functioned and that is why the taxpayer had to bail them out directly in the case of RBS Lloyds etc...and indirectly through huge cash injections into the global financial markets by governments accross the world. If the market had been left to its own devices most bankers would be unemployed. The "market" has been further distorted by the lack of competion in the banking system and its domination by a few large players. Bob Diamond of Barclays speaking today was disingenuous when he says Barclays didn't benefit from taxpayer money. According to Bloomberg, Barclays Plc benefitted from the generosity of the US taxpayer through Barclays PLC drawing funds to prop up its business from the US Federal Reserve emergency fund.


The government when threatened by the management of banks that they will move their operations/HQ'a abroad might like to remind banks that there are very few financial centres that can host such large financial institutions and offer the same financial safeguards to protect their businesses as in the UK and offer the commercial advantages of being based in UK ie time zone, rule of law, quality of life etc....

7...Ever read Prayer before Birth by Louis Mac Neice Barrie?

6...I think NN is in enemy hands over the bankers Barrie.

Will Hutton is brought in occasionally to be interupted into frustrated silence and to listen to Irwin Stirzer or Janet Daley lay down the Gospel According to Global Capitalism ....as if they are the second coming of JC (without that nasty habit of throwing moneylenders from the NN temple!)...

And the last time Ebeneezer Soros was given free rein to propogandise his bizarre (supposedly philanthropic) ideas Gavin Esler was allowed one second at the end of his audience (before the god of open border free market capitalism) to ask about Soros` latest currency speculations....and dismissed with a wave of the great man`s hand!

Journalism? Might as well have Graham Norton presenting it!In fact...the chair that Norton can tip backwards on a whim could be.......!

given the profile of NN i knew that 'bbc women ageism' would be top story.

how can someone who admits to fraud stay as an MP? How can someone who knew what they had done stand in the recent election in the first place? Do people not have to sign some form of 'i know of no reason why i may not stand' clause?

#4 Ah it's all to do with our cultural enrichment Jim! Maybe for some, but not for the health of most.

#9 I know that poem Jim, read a lot of Louis in my youth.

#7 Yes Barrie I was very surprised at the babies immunisation, I thought it wasn't done until early teens. I did question the parents.

But I was told it was so prevalent and such a threat to newborns that it was done at birth, very surprising I must say. I thought we had all but eradicated TB, (as Jim was taught!) but I see it's returned with a vengence, good that isn't it?! : (

Bravo, Miriam...bravo ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳, now can we have Miriam back on our screens please. Miriam is a quality reporter and was brave enough to take on a vast organisation like ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳, she deserves a quality appointment and Alan Yentob should value her type....good on 'yer, Miriam....

I'm sorry about the Miriam verdict. I was looking forward to seeing the back of 40 year old Julia Bradbury and 55 year old Kirsty Wark but now it seems we're stuck with them.

..Retired police chief Mick Gradwell claimed pressure not to appear ‘institutionally racist’ led to a culture of silence over Asian sex gangs.

Mr Gradwell, a former detective superintendent in Lancashire, said: ‘You have girls
being abused and raped and yet the most senior officers are refusing to comment on it. On what other subject would you get that?

‘How many young girls have been abused and raped because of the reluctance of the authorities to say exactly what is happening?

‘I worked on operations which had been set up to tackle, amongst other things, an element of Asian men who saw white girls as easy meat, as Jack Straw rightly put it. It was a persistent issue.’

He said: ‘Some white girls are attracted to groups of Asian men because some are quite wealthy, shower them with gifts and drive round in fancy cars,

‘The main pressure police have is being called institutionally racist if they highlight a crime trend like this. There’s a fantastic reluctance to be absolutely straight because some people may take such offence...



all these children are victims of the pig philosophy that thinks 'offence' against race is a greater 'crime' than paedophile gang rape offences against children? Morality is law without fear or favour. So the pig philosophy [as vuvuzelared by the media] shattered the 'morale' of the police?

#14 Ah, Maggie, you prefer older men? i.e. John Humprhys 67, John Simpson 66 and Jeremy 60? ; ) Where's the late sixties women then?! ; )

Well how long has Jack straw known about this and why is it being raised now.

Straw and his cronies opened our borders to all and sundry and I don`t remember being given a fair hearing when I pointed out that multiculyuralism was separate cultural development (apartheid) at the expense of the white British majority....whose culture has been suppressed.

I am very suspicious of Straw`s motives....and have been for years.

16...Lizzie...As you well know the older ladies are crocheting doilies and making jam while dusting flour off their aprons and singing Jerusalem Rap as a concession to multiculturalism.
If they start working on the telly again it will be like a 24/7 rolling programme of Joan Rivers/Barbara Cartland demanding to know why men don`t fancy them at a "youthful" ninet nine years old.
When I was young people were quite glad to stop work and cease being young....we are never satisfied these days!

..Letters, emails and documents relating to the monarch, her heir and the second in line to the throne will no longer be disclosed even if they are in the public interest.

Sweeping changes to the Freedom of Information Act will reverse advances which had briefly shone a light on the royal finances including an attempt by the Queen to use a state poverty fund to heat Buckingham Palace ....



monarchists entrenching their position? its time the uk had a national oath and a national anthem and like dirty stains in underpants the monarchy apartheid mindset be washed out of uk society?

Groan! Not more Gilbert and George...PLEASE!!
Modern art is a mildly diverting hoax at the best of best of times.... and a crushing BORE for the rest of the time!

MODERN ART? THEN LOOK NO FARTHER THAN 'ITMA SMITH' (#20)

A mildly diverting hoax chasing a mildly diverting hoax.

Watched Newsnight last night about 'Pakistni grooming of white girls' - fantastic.

100% ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ claptrap. So blatently aimed at neutralising anything they might have broadcast on the Friday programme which showed up an ethnic group in a negative perspective.

I was getting worried on Friday - I was afraid that the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ was beginning to report the actual truth, rather than the virtual truth as seen through the multi-cultural rose-tinted bubble that the luvvies at the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ live in.

But hey - thanks. You have restored my faith in my own reasoning ability - no need for me to go to a psychiatrist after all.

By the way - please stop calling people 'academics' when they are 20-something students with absolutely no background whatsoever in the field in which they are pontificating.

By the way, for those of you that unaware of the tricks - watch out for the oldest stats trick in the book - subsume the specific into the general to make it appear it less by taking non-representative samples.
Done over and over again in this Newsnight coverage. Standard 'cover-up practice', and often fools the unaware.

Anyway, thanks Newsnight for restoring my faith in your poor research, appalling journalism and downright misrepresentation of facts.

Great to hear David Jacobs on his late-night music show on ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ Radio 2 on Sunday night ....... 84 not out ...??

NEW TO ME JM - A FELLOW TRAVELLER APPARENTLY (#9)

DESPERATION

Oh no! I’m conceived
where’s the free will in that?
Multiply - then go forth
to hormonal diktat.
Have no say in gestation
little voice at the birth
if my family tree’s blighted
inherit no earth.
Tame my limbs and my bow-els
learn language as well
while storing confusion -
my own Private Hell.
(I may go there later
if this gets too tough
I’ll be called schizophrenic
and do crazy stuff.)
Be shipped out to school
to learn Mammonnish lore
be groomed for high income
yet always want more.
Get a life - get a wife
and if no one cries halt
in the fullness of time
have a child by default.

25.7.04

.... and in Glasgow ........ Pakistani heritage men do the same ....
with the same methods .......... but of course it's no a 'race thing'



I wonder wheter the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ will EVER put a decent journalist team on this and do their own research instead of getting reports for the censored organisations who cover up the truth for political ends ?

PULL OUT THE MONARCHY LYNCH-PIN AND THE WHOLE CORRUPT EDIFICE TUMBLES (#19)

The monarchy/church feudal hangover, underpins patronage and stasis in the British charade. The PALACE of Westminster, is a citadel that defends against any attempt to evolve to a better place. MPs and Peers are allowed inside the illusion - the price is connivance. It is self-perpetuating. We, as usual, are stuffed.

25 I don`t think the NN team can do it Sammy...because they live by the fantasy that we can just collect intact cultures from around the world and import them unmodified into old working class districts of Britain and persecute any Brit who objects.
Naturally the same liberals wouldn`t approve of the reverse happening....unless the people were already favourites ..like the Israelis.
And now...to borrow a singletonism ...we are all stuffed....like our teenage underclass girls....who get their life philosophy from Eastenders and Hollyoaks!
It mystifies me why incomers don`t want to integrate more when being a white English person offers such an inviting high-status lifestyle.....see Shameless and Ed Readrdon`s Week and Count Arthur Strong for more fascinating details and tips!
Respek!

1. Why should banks pay bonuses in the first place?
Just listen to Moneybox to see what sort of service the banks offer. If you want a good pension plan go to Holland and get 50% greater benefits. Transfer an ISA or a pension and see the ensuing delay tactics. Want a good interest rate? Don't forget to check each month in case best rates are suddenly reduced.
2. What about the talent the city would lose if the bankers didn't get bonuses?
I take it this is the talent that caused the greatest world recession since the twenties. Not so bright are they? Perhaps greedy might be a better word?
3. Tax payers all over the world back the banks. Politicians need to tell the bankers what they can earn, not the other way round.
4. Its time the tax-payers were rewarded for backing the banks by the politicians banning bonuses.

Can someone, preferably someone that is less interested in their sex, and more interested in the real issues dealt with in todays case, ageism, explain to me why females have hijacked this outcome and have been allowed to twist this into some example of sexism ? i keep hearing this repeated finger pointing at bbc executives ? is there an unfair balance of male to female in the bbcs executive team that has resulted in this case ? why was there four females on tonights newsnight, three of them attacking the one female former bbc executive that was attempting to give some insight into the whole area of presenting to the public...this was about wrinkles, last time i looked, i had some too, this is a positive outcome for me that will prevent my employer from sacking because i have lost my lustre, but have become 'intresting', unfortunately, i have a penis, and therefore, not a voice, based on the makeup of tonites newsnight panel...its those damn bbc executives again...ggggrrrrrrr !!!!

ALL TV IS A STAGE AND PRESENTERS MERELY PLAYERS.

Surely - even more than NewsyNighty - Countryfile is SHOWBIZ TV?

If a theatre producer decides to change an actor in some lead role, for whatever reason, they don't go to a tribunal (yet) do they?

What will happen if an incoherent presenter is 'let go', is incoherence a 'feminist issue' also?

I am amazed. After years of preaching PC rights. You have key women from the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ claiming they are somehow except from the law.

Unbelievable. The arguements put forward as to why presenting is a special case simply unbelievable.

At 35 I do think there is not enough representation of older generations on TV. This needs to change to reflect the real society we live in.

Miriam may have won a payout to the tune of £150k, but her employment prosects will still be bleak......remember when Selina Scott won a payout of £250k for age discrimination? Have you seen her on screen again?

afghanistan has totally dropped off the radar? Apparently WOT is now being called 'the long war'....... [on muslims?]

..Arnold Fields, the special inspector general for Afghanistan, announced his resignation late on Monday evening



Barack Obama calls France America's strongest ally.

Personally, I am a firm BELIEVER in ageism.

I believe that the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ should ONLY employ editors, producers and comedian who are OVER the age of 40.

That way our media can be purged of the twenty and thirty somethings who are are irresponsible, vain, self-promoting, insensitive untalented cerebrally-challenged vocal degenerates like Ross,Brand,Boyle etc.

I won't mention Eastenders - that's just trash-at-any-age.

Miriam O'Reilly's victory is wonderful and the establishment of the legal principle is years overdue. However, I have been sickened by the coverage of the event by the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ and, in particular and to my dismay, Newsnight.

This decision is a victory against ageism - NOT ageism as applied to female TV presenters. Remember that the judgement rejected any sex discrimination grounds and neglected to mention broadcasting as a factor, at all.

Ageism is offensive and causes real pain and hardship, across great swathes of society. Not just a narrow set of media employees.

The ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ have apologised to Miriam - and quite right too. But, where is the apology to its audience for the blatant ageism in the selection of people we see on our screens every day? There is no way that they reflect the age distribution of this society. I am regularly offended, for example, the mid-evening news bulletin seems only to be presented by someone under 30 (usually from only one gender).

The offence is not just about the absence or under-representation of older people in so many areas of television - which is alienating to so many. It is also the implications; that the older you are then: the less able, clever or capable you are. This offence turns to anger, when you realise that the knowledge, experience and qualifications of older people are, by implication, regarded as superfluous or lacking credibility.

Ageism is a huge, current issue, that will only grow. The plight of some media presenters does not even register against the millions who suffer, one way or another from this discrimination.

The massive irony is that the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳'s, and Newsnight's, coverage of this story was itself ageist. It was converted into a feminist issue.

How massively disappointing that such a huge social injustice cause be hijacked.

Hopefully, one day, ageism will no longer be a source of so much injustice for so many. The ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ and, particularly, it's more thinking programmes, like Newsnight, should be mindful that they do not hold a mirror to society. Their output, in many significant ways, impacts society and the status quo. This brings huge responsibilities.

The ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳, in general, and Newsnight, in particular, should be ashamed of the way this story has been covered.

However, I am saddened by my somewhat cynical conclusion that this legal precedent will change little. The ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ will continue to be ageist. They will just make efforts to avoid being found out. I am prepared to bet that the distorted age distribution of people appearing on the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ will be as mis-representative, in ten years time, as it is today. I am also prepared to bet that the age distribution of female news and current affairs presenters will be more representative.

How parochial. How depressing. And we fund the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳! Even more depressing.

Perhaps we need some accountability in exchange for the licence fee.

Watching the item on bankers tonight and Bob Diamond's pathetic turn with the Treasury Select Committee, I wondered how much cultural and decency shift there has been since John Kennedy's "ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" speech. Maybe because Bob Diamond's American, it doesn't apply to the UK

#34 Absolutely agree with you. Fairplay to the young, but as an oldie I'm losing interest in much of the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ (and ITV) output because there isn't much for oldies to 'identify' with in their programmes. Perhaps they think New Tricks is the ticket for older people. It's childish rubbish. I expect they don't care because they no doubt assume I'll probably die shortly. Statistically, I've still got another 20 years and even as an oldie I'm finding lots of new media to occupy my time. Gradual bye bye to mainstream TV and those who dish out any old nonsense 'they' think we like.

Good grief! David Milliband is preparing to sign for Premier League Football Club Sunderland......

Too right 34 and 38....well observed....what would help greatly would be an opportunity to develop a new independent broadcaster which could give expression to the wisdom of British people over fifty who benefitted from grammar school education and can hold their own with the privately educated Balls,Camerons and Blairs of this world.

Sadly the British Establishment (and their masters in dumbed-down America) haven`t the independence of thought or the political subtlety to realise that our children`s future is far too bound up with the bizarre mentality and ignorance of the American audience which "our" ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ seems to cater for...and our own British Eastenders/ X-Factor/Grahaham Norton proletariat who get more indistiguishable from the folks of Arizona every day.

We have a vital role to play in re-civilising the western world....and if the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ aren`t with us then frankly they can be towed off to their beloved Sodom and Begorrah USA ...and lets start again with the sort of serious-minded left of centre (NOT liberal) broadcasting using the radio and the internet and the sort of independence of mind found in Private Eye and the Oldie...but with a little more socialism PLEASE!

Look at Mark Mardell`s blog for examples of the thoughts of the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳`s core audience in America and Britain and wake up now....we have no time for Gilbert and George and trying to look like Barbie dolls...we have a serious job to do as the Greeks to the USA`s Romans.

#39 I think it's all to do with raising his profile Mistress, here's another one

#40 (and their masters in dumbed-down America)

Yes Jim, hence all the pretty young women who read the news and weather, and the standing around posing, when did the beeb ever do that, you sat behind a solid desk and read the news, not posed.

Like others I find little to watch on TV, it is so dumbed down it's madness, and even when there is a good programme on, it's so overloaded with musack and noise and sound affects, it's a complete muddle.

Trouble is nothing on TV, means too much blogging! ; )

TILTING AT WINDMILLS - FOOL OR KNAVE POLITICS? (#35)

Even a child who owns a toy sailing boat could predict a low yield from wind.
Thus, we are once again faced with the eternal Westminster question: FOOL OR KNAVE?

Can even Westminster be THAT DUMB? Which leaves us with the question: "What are governmental knaves up to, in setting wind TO FAIL?"

My best answer is a panic leap to NUCLEAR (flat-pack stations from France) erected while power cuts are hyped, by media, to Armageddon status.

Any alternatives?

'..relief at the victory Miriam O'Reilly has secured against her former employer..'

There is something rather ironic, if not poetic about a bunch of media finger-waggers on every aspect on our lives being hauled up because, as it turns out, they are not as 'unique' to engage in rampant double standards as those they would have a crew doorstepping in a heartbeat if a rating seemed possible.

What rather rankles though is that one presumes a licence 'fee' that already is dedicated mostly to shoring up poorly invested pension pots will simply be further diverted further to cover the latest examples of market rate talent competence at the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳.

Maybe a story on compo pay-offs instead of accountability is suggested, with a sidebar on 'exceptions that prove rules'? Or, maybe, in the circumstances, not.

43...yes Barrie...my alternative energy would be based on a public debate about how much longer we allow extremist caitalism to WASTE energy on nonsense and vanity activities that add nothing to the sum of human happiness but are designed to squander precious resources while allowing the third world to overpopulate us into oblivion.

Look outside at what you call son et lumiere London and ask yourself what the point is of switching off the cloakroom light or putting up solar panels while dear old Mammon just pours your efforts down the drain?

³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ pandering to assumed prejudice of young people? Never!

i suppose if it means 50 years olds no longer dressing like 14 years old that will be a plus.

i'm more annoyed that farming sunday was transformed into the wishy washy country file

Ester asked "where are the older women reading the news?" In NN of course!

Oldham

Maude 'How's Trade?"
Shopkeeper 'No speaking English"

hahaha. Britian today.


Monarchists are normal?

In the zero sum game of monarchy to make yourself royal you have to make someone else common which few will willingly accept that except under coercion. So Monarchy demands a system and language of coercion and belittlement. Skivvy, lackey, flunkey, commoner, know your place etc are all terms of belittlement. It also demand a belief in God. To claim you have been divinely appointed to be your genetic better is quite claim. Even popstars don't claim that.

Monarchists are many things but its not 'normal'. They have a vested interest in normalising it so people become habituated to feel inferior. Monarchy is a mindset riddled with false beliefs which naturally leads to injustice and prejudice.

³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ AGEIST? - EDGYIST MORE LIKE!! (#36)

In passing - Nature is ageist, and I note the ants limit their old to certain duties. The greatest folly of The Ape Confused by Language, is to forget that the ape is a child of nature, and to structure life accordingly.

Edgyisim in NewsyNighty will be much harder to eradicate.