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It is ridiculous to give foreign aid at a time when Britain is bankrupt. Old saying: charity begins at home.......

yeah 1penny in every 10pounds Tax grrr makes ya MAD
thing is where's the other 9.99 in fact going?
Better sack a soldier, ruin an education, cut services
but we must have a nuclear deterrent and decent tax breaks for the multi-nationals and banks its just a matter of priorities see

PAYDAY FOR INSURERS EURO COURT RULING
BET-YA THEY'RE LAFFIN ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK
...insurers contradicted the wider European principle of gender equality.
"Taking the gender of the insured individual into account as a risk factor in insurance contracts constitutes discrimination," the ECJ said.

The British Insurance Brokers' Association (BIBA) said currently the cost of the average car claim by an 18-year old man was 拢4,400, while that for an 18-year old woman was 拢2,700.
/news/business-12606610

WELL IT WASNT GOING TO GET ANY CHEAPER NOW WAS IT!

equality of risk.

Those who are of less risk must pay the same as those with more risk because its 'equality'?

this might make sense in the Wicker Man society or at a 'local shop for local people' where people suckle piglets.

Mispricing risk because of political dogma is pure pig philosophy. It is against someone's human rights to be penalised merely because of a nebulous political bias?

Taking 'equality' as the highest idea of the mind requires very real human sacrifice. Pig philosophy leads to pig society.

PERVERSITY KNOWS NO BOUNDARIES

We are all familiar with Westminster's prime perversity: it is the elevation to near-absolute power of Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron, lumbering us with their bizarre projects. Post-Lisbon, the absolute perversity of EU governance is coming home: beer bottles and bananas were just hors d'oeuvres - now the full Monty (Python) is upon us.

Don't think there isn't going to be a payback. Iceland are doing the correct thing - shaft the banks and tell the IMF EU globalists to go to Hell.

Saudi Arabia sends tanks to Bahrain:-



Welcome back Emily

I missed the hair battles

IT DOESN'T MAKE ME PHYSICALLY SICK BUT:

The posturing of successive Westminster Warlords regarding LEGAL SLAUGHTER (done by us) and ILLEGAL SLAUGHTER (done by Johnnie Despot) does my 'ed in, trying to understand the mentality of our Righteous Ones. In ordinary life, we shrink away from those who want to hang, draw and quarter this or that kind of miscreant. Is it PUBLIC SCHOOL that does the damage, or just the 'natural selection' of the party committees, who screen for Westminster excellence?

I might almost wish I could be as fatuous as Delicate Dave, and claim I feel PHYSICALLY SICK. But were I to do so, it would not be over Gaddafi and his killing from the air, but our succession of pathetic needy child-PMs, let loose on the world by the Westminster Malaise, WHO WILL 'LEGALLY' KILL UNTOLD NUMBERS OF COLLATERAL CIVILIANS WITH TRUE, BRITISH APLOMB and sleep the sleep of the just.

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maybe we should have a 'day of rage' and see how violently they suppress it?

MIGHT WE BE MISSING THE OBVIOUS - ICELAND IS SMALL (#7)

Small is beautiful - it permits embraceable identity.

I saw Cameron boasting about our 'defence budget' (4th in the world?).
We have this barmy, 'colonial' hang-over of world influence (a joke when you consider our incompetence at home) that fires up megalomaniac Westminster Warriors (and mercenaries doing the job they love).

While Westminster endures, so will Dominator Dave and his ilk.

#5 jc wrote:
鈥淭aking 'equality' as the highest idea of the mind requires very real human sacrifice鈥�

It certainly does. The pursuit of 鈥楨quality鈥� means that we should immediately abandon all forms of PRIVILEDGE for certain groups of people 鈥� from 鈥楻ight Honourable鈥� MPs and 鈥楴oble鈥� titled Lords and Baronesses, up to Royal Highnesses and all on the Civil List.

I鈥檓 prepared to give up my claim to special seats on buses and trains for the elderly as this is age discrimination, and I will not support the 2012 London Olympics as it encourages and rewards those who are specially selected on the grounds of inequality.

I am also banning my wife from driving as she gets a lower premium than me whilst being responsible for regularly modifying the front and rear ends of my cars.

Equality my Rs

LET'S HOPE THE TANKS ARE BRITISH MADE WITH DISCRIMINATORY WEAPONS (#9)

After all: not a lot of sense in killing good people to stop bad people killing good people.

Mind you, it's good advertising, and that brings jobs for decent British arms workers in a peaceful democracy . . .

ROFL ROFL ROFL (#13)

You have put flesh on my Monty Python bones IDG2!

Equality my farce.

PRESENT IMPERFECT

Our past behaviour was mostly in ignorance. Gunboat diplomacy and use of Johnnie Foreigner for target practice, and arms demonstration is, today, inexcusable - indeed, diabolical.

Were I a cynic, I might almost see inspection of our past as a way to avoid scrutiny of present disgrace. You would not be party to that, would you NewsyNighty?

By the same token: let's stop discussing effects on insurance, of the latest Lisbon Legacy, and INVESTIGATE WHICH EU NUTTER SAW FIT TO IMPLEMENT IT, AND WHY.

"You can't make this up: basically the world financial mafia says Mark to Myth when prices are low, and Mark to Market (on selected assets) when prices surge to a record."

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it'll be interesting to see what JP makes of the Empire in his series? Will it be Cromwellian warts and all or a knighthood application?

BRILLIANT JEREMY PAXMAN (Guardian) (#18)

Hmmmm. So was Parkinson - allegedly. And Tony Blair was a 'good communicator' OF WHAT? And Barack Obama was a god - for a while. And Gaddafi is a deranged devil. And Dubya Bush wore a white hat. OR AM I GETTING THEM ALL MIXED UP?

Power, celebrity, adulation, charisma, and APPEARANCE ON A SCREEN NEAR YOU, all bamboozle The Ape Confused by Language.

Look again. Read transcripts. Hold up a metaphorical crucifix. Then they ALL look a lot different.

The more I listen to Birgitta Jonsdottir the more I like her - a poet doing politics and shafting the globalists with quiet elegance. I hope you find a way to get to the criminals who messed up your country and bring them to justice.

Jo Caulfield, first 10 mins is an hilarious take on the banking crisis:
/programmes/b00p2hg0

Equal does not mean fair. Due to natural inequalities, fair is usually unequal. But, 'equal' is objective, measurable, understandable in numeric form, and we feel comfortable with that. Fair is subjective and we have lost confidence in the values that once allowed us to make fair, subjective, decisions.

About time: /programmes/b00z6zc7. Perhaps one of these days the UKGP will be able to take on board the fact that natural selection is but one element of evolution and that sexual selection is the link between culture and evolution - scary thought for postmodernists and creationists alike, but true if you think about it - most people still live in 'breeding groups' i.e. with taboos on who they marry.

Ape confused by language? We have entered an age in which language and symbolism are used with very different aptitudes by different groups. Are we plain speaking or do we have a hidden agenda that allows us to outcompete our colleagues? Is honesty the best policy or does deception bring reward? Do we communicate or do we convey information? Does information have a price tag? Was the Iraq war illegal or do we just wish our legislature had found it so? Is emotion a better communicator than reason? and so on...

20 I looked up the (earlier) clip - a very impressive lady. Why am I constantly amazed by the clarity of thought that comes out of the mouths of Nordics? Is it the cold climate that focuses their minds on reason and away from emotionalism and sensationalism?

There is a basic misunderstanding of the ruling (which stems from a 7 year-old directive) because of the dumbed-down, Daily-Mail-ised version that is being reported. There is also a lack of discussion about its meaning for equality in general. If you're interested read the full article here:



Thanks.

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statistics of risk are based on FACTS OF EVENTS. To misprice the mathematics of risk for a deviant false belief is outside the world of reason. It is lala land. Equality is a false god that leads to a pig society. It is a society that says there is no good and so ends up having very little in it.

if women are a lesser risk why penalise them for a numbskull set of false beliefs? It is unjust irrational prejudice. It only appeals to flat earth mindsets trapped in the world of belief which as we know is different from the world of knowledge.

only equal things are equal. unlike things are not equal. it is unjust and monty python to suggest they are. Equality cannot be gerrymandered because it is a measurable property of a subject.

1 foot and 1 metre are not equal except in the narrow sense of class of measurements. yet here we as if there are people enforcing by law that 1 foot and 1 metre are equal and interchangeable and it is wrong to discriminate between them because 'discrimination' is 'bad' and 'offensive'.

can people who pervert mathematics and mix up properties be said to have reason or wisdom?

International aid is a racket and a job creation scheme for well meaning backpackers who don't want to go home or grow up and get a real job. Stop it...stop it now or I'll get very angry...you wont like me if I get angry.
And as for the excuse to continue aid to ensure we stay safe in the UK. Can I suggest a better border control/repatriation programme.

Dave Camaron has me worried. Pushing for a no fly zone has shades of the early Blair years. To Quote Barrie:
We have another one.

Sarah McDermott.

"Niall Ferguson"

sophist, ghastly.

What a joke of an interview by Emily just now with Niall Ferguson... and the other chap who didn't get a word in because Niall kept rudely interrupting him and Emily continually directed questions at Niall. Pretty obviously just a plugging for his book and not much of an exploration of the west's role in the Arab world.

EMILIE HAS JOINED THE MADDING CROWD.

The final discussion: all taking at once - the guy with the book dominating, and the guy on his second language cut off and talked over by Emilie. 'Thank you for coming in' - indeed!

I can only assume that is 'edgy'.

Alex23 wrote:
"because of the dumbed-down, Daily-Mail-ised version that is being reported..."

There is another version in the Guardian-asty, its a long-winded
sanctimonious one.

I think what Ferguson was trying to say was:
Islam is a throw back culture.
He wouldn't be wrong. The Europeans embraced the science revolution from the 16 century onwards, leaving Christianity a quaint religion but recognised as the bedrock of European values of today. Religion is and has always been used as a way of controlling the masses. The Imams were successful in holding on to their power and extending the life of their religion in the minds of their congregation..the priests weren't so successful...their congregation moved on to other things non-supernatural...things like books and knowledge and stuff.

This is part of the sickness that no one in 'authority' is facing up to :-



And renders any financial debate meaningless unless it is engaged before anything else.

Now after I heard a trusted up peacock repeat 'I' three times and spied Naill I'd had enough and switched off. Same peacocks same stuff . I'm more interested in flight attendants and poets who now run Iceland with a linear checklist structure and no class/title importance hierarchy .

Islam forbids financial usury The West is based on it.

Perhaps if Emily Maitlis had only wanted a contribution from Niall Ferguson, she should have interviewed him in a sole capacity. It really is unfair to invite two guests and not to have a semblance of equality!
This is not what Newsnight is about - Niall Ferguson is not an unbiased contributor!

"Europeans embraced the science revolution from the 16 century onwards, leaving Christianity a quaint religion but recognised as the bedrock of European values of today....their congregation moved on to other things non-supernatural...things like books and knowledge and stuff."

That, I agree with.
Specifically, Protestantism evolved from ritual to rationale. That is the way religion should and will develop. But multiculturalism has set us back centuries because we have ignored the true significance of our own culture. We measure church attendance but we fail to observe non-numeric elements of culture.

This is the previously typical British format for commercial exchange, say in a shop:
1. Hello - establish contact person to person
2. Please may I have - initiate trade with cordiality
3. Thankyou - complete trade wih gratitude
4. Goodbye - reaffirm recognition of humanity that trade is set within.

That is Christianity working as a backgound to trade. Who cares about that now? Now we have to defer to cultures that wail and gnash whilst also agrresivley seeking trade via telesales and other intrusions with no respect for the humanity of who they are trying to make money out of.

Usury is not the only problem. Sweeteners, deals, and people who simply won't get off the phone are equally problematic for Protestants.

I recently inherited a book that contains a photo of the suffragette who threw herself under a race horse - the photo being of the moment it happened with both the woman and the horse lying on the ground. A chilling reminder of how Britain modernised.

I contributed to this modenisation process by carrying placards in the 1980s that said 'Yes means Yes, No means No. However we dress, wherever we go.' There is an ideology behind that slogan.

Isn't it time that we had the debate about what effect female head-covering is having on our culture? What is the purpose and ideology of this practice? Is it akin to turban wearing? Is it akin to nuns' habits? What impact is it having on modern western societies?

Specifically what is the impact of female head-covering in the workplace? What is the impact on men, and what is the impact of the impact on men, on women who do expose their hair in the same workplace?

These are quite valid political questions that we are ignoring to our shame and disrespect for our own history and devlopment as a culture.

B&Q it Yes I Do forget what I went in There for

Jo Caulfield on Banks Spot On

Dr Alice in Wonderfull are we still Evolving or Revolting .. Yes

I am an old Prune who needs Pruning, I don't have Gout

NN last niall Yawn Fell Asleep

35 'how come you can't get a decent bagel round here anymore' !!

To Gigi Ibrahim's - do you see whats happening? and why the people who will run Egypt and the other Arab countries in vulnerable flux need to bone up on sophisticated financial methods, because that's what its about for the very powerful forces who will manipulate you to their ends.

Don't fall into the believe that the people who helped you to demonstrate effectively are your friends. Affinity is the first step to effective fraud in a hierarchical social structure.

Now that democratisation, as a process, is on the agenda - whether countries democratise in the same way or not - isn't it time that we acknowledge that westernisation is a modernisation process? Isn't it just sour grapes to keep bashing the west? can we truly say that over the past 2000 years western civilisation has been more a force for evil than a force for good or that the west has been more aggressive than other civilisations?

Most know wareing hats and caps for men in times gone by was very common but did you know women waring simple cloth shalls over their heads was also common, watch closely. We now place a different contex reason to this with regards women .

#40 but did you know women waring simple cloth shalls over their heads was also common, watch closely. We now place a different contex reason to this with regards women

Dead right flicks I used to always wear a scarf or even a shawl in the '60s and '70s it was very fashionable, either tied on the tip of your chin, or wrapped around you hippy style.

I wouldn't dream of wearing one now, too many connatations. I don't even see many catholic women wearing them to church these days either.

Pakistan - Minister for Minorities - the only christian in the cabinet - shot dead.

And we have just increased Aid to Pakistan.

Are we more suicidal than Islamists who at least only destroy themselves on an individual basis rather than as an entire culture.

Disgusting

COUNTERFEIT INTEGRITY IN THE AGE OF PERVERSITY (#30)

As my jaw slowly drops, I am proving to myself, beyond doubt, that Political Parties are unregulated in this counterfeit democracy. Our counterfeit governance, has seen to it that Political Parties are neither regulated by Westminster nor by statute.

In the news today, we have OFCOM fussing, ineffectually, about the lies of broadband suppliers. But THERE IS NO OFPOL! What is more, Political Parties DO NOT EXIST in any formalised way, that permits CONFRONTATION, or CALLING TO ACCOUNT. They do not operate under Britain鈥檚 trumpeted RULE OF LAW.

What a farce! Westminster is OUT OF CONTROL.

In the 2010 General Election, the Conservative Party widely issued a flyer (variously modified) carrying the blatant lie: "THE CONSERVATIVES MUST WIN HERE TO STOP ANOTHER 5 YEARS OF GORDON BROWN". In fact, is is a double lie, as no one could guarantee Brown's return under any or all circumstances, and the use of 'HERE' stands out starkly, as undue influence on the recipient locality.

Challenge to the Conservative Party goes unanswered. There is no OFPOL (Office of Politics). The ASA are prohibited from action (though they sent all parties a sad pre-election plea for integrity) and the Electoral Commission is subtitled 'NOT ME GUV'.

THERE is the shining British example to the world - atop which Dave commands the terrible Gaddafi: 'IN THE NAME OF BRITISH INTEGRITY GO, AND GO NOW!'

If only - IF ONLY - NewsyNighty could spot REAL edgy when it is under their nose.

'Anybody who cant understand the deal here's the way it works'

37 Don't Mention Bacon Buttys you maybe Shot

45 The Real Deal There .. Don't Tell Everybody .. They will Wake Up

What's That Hitting The Fan

43 You Lot Have Imported/Imorted That In2 This Country

Look on The Bright Side, They could/would get Rid of our wonderfull politicians

Where's me Burka KA KA KA KA

Is The grate golden brown Cunnin Plan Still Going

You NO the one where he/it Half Hinches 20 Billion Acker's A Year out of everybodys Pension Plans

Don't Mention The kinnocks, you'l get Knocked

Read browns Toilet Paper Backed Pension Plans in all good bookshops near you

foreign aid

as run by the current pig philosophy will have little good.

Niall Ferguson

'science came late to the muslim world' ? hahaha. westocentric claptrap.

don't think i will read his 'book'.

MOHAMMED CAME LATE TO THE WORLD OF ARAB SCIENCE? (#50)

In pre-history and early history, a lot of maths, science and astronomy was, manifestly, understood but later lost or suppressed - especially by religious power seekers.

I suppose Ferguson might have been technically correct, if the Muslims eschewed the earlier Arab knowledge?

In passing: Dave is doing PMQs. He really is a Bullingdon bully - and rather nasty when not winning, isn't he.

They Shoot Horses Dont They .. Yes .. and Christian Dogs Cats etc

InFact They Shoot Anything They Dont Understand

Send Them A BannedAid

Don't send them Doctors, I have Seen Them Shoot Them, Them Them's should Be Shot

Which Thems .. Them Thems .. Them Thems are Very Stupid Thems

Cyrstill Clear as mud .. Are You A Them? .. Now and them, but dont tell them, Them might try and Shoot me .. again

that Ferguson guy just talks over everyone else and Emily wasn't strong enough for him so rather than watch a Ferguson rant....I switched channels

In a 6 minute film, Allan Little gave an overview of the UK's role in the Middle East since WW1. It was an excellent piece ... except in one respect: the name of Israel did not come up once! No mention of the Balfour Declaration, the Suez invasion of 1956 but without mention of the collusion between Britain, France and Israel, no mention that when Britain exited from Palestine in 1948, it was essentially handed over to the Jewish minority at the expense of the native Palestinians. Yet these links are a prime factor in the distrust with which the UK is held in the Middle East, and the ongoing Palestinian calvary since 1948 the cause of most of the problems haunting the region even now.

Quite a performance. Now I am sure that neither Mr Litlle nor Sue Onslow, the expert from the LSE he interviewed, could have done this, it must be the subeditors of the film who excised Israel from the final cut. Does the 成人论坛 have a policy of deliberately protecting Israel from any adverse mention? It often seems so.

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there is a catholic line of propaganda about how 'backward' islam is. they have pumped out several books on the issue.

europe was in 'the dark ages' while the sciences flourished under islam. the universities were created by the church fathers to prevent the public from getting access to science [heresy] coming out of arabia

from 4.35 into the vid



if one took all the muslims out of the nhs would it still function?

MEASURED AND THOUGHT-PROVOKING - BRAVO (#54)

I have pointed out before, that megalomaniac leaders always want to rule the (known) world. The same mind-set, leads to massive extermination programmes - COMMENSURATE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE TIMES. If we remain calm and focused (as the admirable Byzant) it is crystal clear that Hitler was the FIRST INDUSTRIAL TYRANT/EXTERMINATOR. That came as a shock.

YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET! (I use American advisedly.)

So: a rational response to the extermination of Jews, by Hitler, would be sadness and horror BUT NOT MIND-BENDING GUILT. That is irrational, and its genesis deserves enquiry. It is our guilt that has exacerbated the original, 'Biblical' error. There never was a 'Land Without a People'. The milk is always sour and the honey - bitter.

Why don't we all go back to where we were before the Romans shook us up.

"europe was in 'the dark ages' while the sciences flourished under islam."

yes we know that. but the flourishing was founded on greek science, ancient sumerian knowledge (the holy grail that the templars took back to europe), and chinese inventions picked up from the silk route. but you're right, the age of european naval expansion and colonisation could not have taken place without that vital role that arabs and normans played in the evolution of science in the west.

"if one took all the muslims out of the nhs would it still function?"

why ask the question?

would the nhs function if you took out the atheists, humanists, jews, christians, pagans, animists?

why ask the question?

we are one people working for the betterment of all. we leave religious differences at home when we go to work.

supposing i have four children who want to make me a birthday card. supposing the first child cuts out the card and then goes off to do something else. the second child does a drawing that the third child embellishes and the fourth child writes a witty inscription inspired by the drawing, and then the first child comes back and sprinkles glitter on the card. who do i thank for the card?

EASY (#59)

You cut it in four, randomly assign the pieces, and and say one word to each child: THANKS FOR THE CARD.

Please move on - I have a baby to cut in half . . .

RE. kevseywevsey wrote:kevseywevsey (11:56pm on 01 Mar 2011).

It is true that, by & large, the Muslim world has regressed to the Dark Ages scientifically & technologically whilst the West embraced the Enlightenment. But look back further & you shall find, inspired by Islam, Muslims were responsible for the preservation of ancient knowledge such as that of the Greeks but the Muslim world was pre-eminent in science whilst Western Europe was mired in its own Dark Age. For an academic Mr Ferguson came across as extremely blinkered if not quite ignorant of his own field of study.