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@5 onwards: Last weekend there was plenty of news about attempts to prevent sectarianism at the 'Old Firm' Derby in Glasgow. I'm not an adherent of any religion, but I wouldn't insult my Christian neighbours by implicitly accusing them of extremism by inviting them to condemn it!

EPICYCLES OF CYNICAL GOVERNANCE (#7)

With you there Jaunty. Another way Westminster treats us with contempt.

Taxed sale of legal poisons - NHS/Big Pharma - taxed employment - tax money to flamboyantly put into NHS (and chums’ pockets).

Pre-school/school/child storage - taxed employment - 'bottom spit' must fail - nihilism/criminality/injury - taxed Police employment/taxed prison employment/taxed NHS employment - tax money to flamboyantly put into Policing (and chums’ pockets.)

War/armaments industry . . .

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"Mr hunt and Mr Beaver"

This show should be worth watching.

The only comment above that is related to your title and topic - the one from AccurateChronometer - gets 'referred for further consideration'? V strange...
Going by his appearance on Newsnight tonight Mr Crick doesn't appear to be paying much attention to his blog and the helpful information he can find there (at comment 18 ) to help him avoid misleading people about the facts of the
BOGUS AV v FPTP REFERENDUM:
/blogs/newsnight/michaelcrick/2011/04/lords_reform_bigger_lib_dem_co.html

AV offers a post election opportunity that may scare some "head in the sand" MPs:

Interesting Statistics!

One of the most irritating arrogances of MPs is that they think that when we vote for them we love everything in their manifesto - sorry, no way. We like SOME of it. But we probably like bits in the others manifestos too.

With AV, not only can we see what people voted for as their first choice, but we can see who those people like almost as much - their second choice. And so on down the line.

Properly used, these satistics can focus the political mind.

"Hey buster, you may have won the election, but did you know that 70% of the people who voted for you put your main adversary as their SECOND choice?

Are you going to ask why?"

A ‘Peoples Panel’, a ‘Posters Panel’, even a ‘Pandas Panel’ !!!!!

Anything but a 'Politics Panel' !!!!!

Lead, don’t follow!

Libya.

Can we not target the rebels, could be a cheaper option and quicker. And we won't "have to be in it for the long haul"

Was Paddy Ashdown sanctimonious on tonights show?

fingers on buttons...vote now

yes 97%
No 2%
undecided 1%
non of the above 0%

There you go, democracy at work.
Paddy's a Liberal, what do you expect!

An interesting debate on AV which could have been much except for the constant interupting of the presenter, who it seems wants to keep to the planned script and you can almost hear whoever screaming into her earhole anytime someone says anything off script. I have notice this on other programmes such as Question time where the big mouthed presenter thinks people want to hear him above the guests and democratically elected politicians. You need to let people discern themselves

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good debate on AV, no better than that. Still far too much blustering - what would be good would be to have the debate on a public internet debate forum, because both sides kept repeating untrue/semitrue mantras, and being able to c/p earlier texts can reduce that. As someone said, a good FIRST debate.

btw, studies have shown that AV tends to support existing larger parties more, because of the single-candidate constituency system. Majorities remain, meaning the only thing that changes is that the MP can now point to officially having 50%+ of the votes cast in that constituency. But very little electorally changes at all, and nothing in terms of Central Party control over candidates and policy. In fact, none of the 3 parties in the condemn(ed) coalition have any real opposition to AV, in terms of actual relevance to the Political Show at westminster this debate counts as zero. But, as someone pointed out tonight, it has allowed the 3 parties with very little substantial difference between them (was amusing listening to J Hunt trying to claim "Labour were entirely against the necessary cuts". The guy is a born hack, i wonder if he asks permission for new hairstyles from Conservative Party Central Headquarters?!) to actually create an illusion of arguing. No talk tonight of bankers, or Corporate tax-dodging, only mud-slinging by people for whom this was only an exercise of fun.

and contrary to someone else's comment, that makes it EXACTLY like the 'Leaders Debates' before the election! No mention of Corporate tax avoidance then, either. Or that Banks were going to be able to continue deregulated. And not much over welfare to the poorest being slashed, whilst enormous living cost increases imposed by Central dictat.

Wow, look at all the "This comment has been referred for further consideration"s. Will this be another posting to be pulled on spurious grounds?

The post, proper:

This may be a referendum on A.V., but we do have a choice remember - the 'No' is a vote for 'First Past the Post', whether you wish to admit it or not.

The media narrative is only ever 'success of A.V. vs. failure of A.V.'; not 'success of A.V. vs. success of F.P.t.P'. I wonder why.
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Liam Fox seems to be giddy with excitement at being in Washington, D.C.
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A message to CBS News: the Union Jack, that forms the background to your wedding coverage branding, is back to front.

what happens if i just put in my first choice and leave the rest blank?

SO SAFE SEAT BECOMES EASY SEAT AND STILL WITH PARTIES . . .

If you research Dave, on the web, you discover that he has all the attributes that make a successful Westminster politician but few you would encourage in your child. If AV is installed, future Dave's will be PARACHUTED into an easy seat (like Dave) thence to ride to the top of the party, and become PRIME MINISTERS.

The fault in the MANAGEMENT of this country, lies in our entire political ethos, with PARTIES THE MOST PERNICIOUS FACTOR. Parties are soulless and have NO ACCOUNTABILITY; they can lie and cheat with impunity. (It's happening now.)

Dismantle Westminster, remove the party system, source candidates LOCALLY, in terms of personal INTEGRITY. All else is tinkering and will simply mean

WE GET OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

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IT'S LIKE FALLING DOWN A RABBIT HOLE (#28)

"what happens if I just put in my first choice and leave the rest blank?"

You legitimise a surreal world of universal suffrage wherein the majority have no idea what is going on and half don't vote. While you appear to be playing your part in a democracy and expressing your will, you are really half Muppet - half puppet.
Should it all go wrong, 'they' will tell you that YOU HAVE YOUR REDRESS AT THE BALLOT BOX.

But we have a royal wedding and the Olympic Games (and we are winning the war) - what more could one ask?

'Forget wedding fever - its AV fever all the way'

Bless, looks like the work experience mods are in charge and running things to the letter of the manual.

From where I am sitting, the only fever on either count is in the heads of desperate media types not currently off elsewhere for the school hols.

Luckily, some of those who are not here may be better equipped to contribute...

The AV special last night was one of the worst, dumbest newsnights i've ever seen.

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yes terrible NN. as for all the posts referred is there a new mod on?