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Clegg was reported to have ruled out any coalition with Labour if Brown stayed on.

I shall be watching for that Bluebottle strut from Clegg, while Neddy Seagoon (aka Dave) is away being a 'World Leader' (in his head).

I WONDER IF DAVE REMEMBERS 'THE GREAT IGNORED'?

We are still here Dave - don't let us spoil your holiday.

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FORCE MAJEURE (#3 link)

The only right the USA recognises is might - their own might. What a depressing saga, replicated wherever freedom - American style - sets down its cloven hoof.

If their chickens ever come home to roost, guano-gas could solve the energy crisis.

Three questions specifically decided - Yes .... by me! - as pertinent to tonight鈥檚 鈥榮how鈥� .....


Firstly ....

Will anyone dare to ask the effect that absent fathers - black, white and any shade in between - have on the ability of a child to successfully aspire and achieve?


Secondly ....

Does the virtual absence of males in nursery and primary education have on the ability of a child to ..... blah de blah, blah! ?



And lastly ....

Is the UK, and the rest of the 鈥榙eveloped world鈥� guilty of, or a participant in what is effectively mass murder? ( A 鈥榲iable鈥� 鈥榓lternate鈥� charge - of course - may legally be offered as 鈥榤anslaughter鈥�.)

If the logic can be considered that murder, or complicity in murder, is 鈥榯o knowingly take, or to knowingly participate in the taking of, the life of another human-being then .....

.... taking qualified, professional medical and nursing staff from third world countries and depriving the population of safe health care can logically be described as .....?

IS THIS SOME SORT OF SPOOF COUNTRY?

Dave says we have some ancient affinity with Pakistan (est 1947) and that we caused much of the world's troubles. Spot the connection . . .

An army officer (doing the job he loves) demonstrates military certainty, backed by political expediency, in that Johnnie Foreigner may be killed, for the greater good - in his own land. Meanwhile defeated JF is tending his poppies.

Somebody coated poor Nicks face with lard and got him to dig himself a hole about internships and stuff.

And there is nothing the voters can do about it - AV or no AV.

^Ah Barrie you beat me to it, I was going to add the sun must be getting to him, cover yer 'ed Dave!

He just loves spending our hard earnt money as well

What a shower this coalition is, they just don't get it do they?!

And yes JA, where are the fathers, 'eh?! They are just the sperm donors, I know one young woman on her 4th child by a 4th different father, don't worry the rest of us mugs will pay, but once Cleggy has sorted jumping up the ladder they'll all be professors! ; )

HUMAN FAILURE AND THE CAUSES OF HUMAN FAILURE (a big nod to #5)

As 'child of our time' Nick waxed (!) vehement, about giving every individual opportunity in life, it was abundantly evident he - as all his ilk - only addresses second and third order factors. Nick has no knowledge of the imperatives of: SECURITY as an infant (breast feeding and mother) NON-INSTITUTIONALISATION as a child and early adult (aka schooling) and FREEDOM FROM ANNEXATION by a Mammon-obsessed, lying, deceitful, dishonourable, integrity-free culture, beloved of Westminster.

Poor Nick. How can this weak, proven soul-seller, serve such archetypal need in our population? As for World Leader Dave: aaaaarrrrgggghhhhhhh!

SPOILPARTYGAMES - DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER

This country is committing cultural suicide with a future not unlike Portugal or some other third rate country ..but the Cleggster is waffling passionate against nepotism and the old boy network.
The sooner we get AV the better.

Oh dear, oh dear. The problem of essentially incompatible cultures gets worse by the day.

I fear that TweedleDave's decision to take the Baroness has set a precedent that will lead to her becoming our new intermediary between the Pk govt. and UK 'MC' 'leaders'. Perhaps then the Pakistani government will start feeling less 'offended'?

As for TweedleNick, I wonder how many other chair-using Brits he has alienated today.

Well, Blair made millions at our expense and so presumably that is what is also behind the Tweedles incomprehensibly Submissive behaviour.

The Coalition must surely be trying to wrench the muslim vote from Labour. Goodness knows what antics we would see if they were courting the pink vote - Nick in chaps?

A Cross Talk recently asked a UK muslim commentator if muslims were capable of voting for different political parties and the response was along the lines of 'yes, of course. muslims used to favour the Labour party but now we are thinking again'. The other contributors didn't know how to deal with such blatant misunderstanding of the question.

And whilst we have 24/7 coverage of the The Muslim World, we hear nothing of problems that parallel ours, in Europe. A photo of (several hundred) muslim men praying in the streets of Paris shocked me. On the other hand, the new Danish immigration minister has said 'Danify or don't come' (- and the AngryArab blog is organising action against him, with support coming from as far away as Indonesia.)

Is it time NN did a piece on the growing 'Green Corridor' movement? Or are we still 'celebrating' 'diversity'?

Fathers - wonderful things! But mine's the best! :) - seriously though, he is a truly remarkable man. I'm trying to write a biog of him because his work got lost in the cultural switch from modern to politically correct. You could say he's an ape who was sacrificed for language.

#10 "And whilst we have 24/7 coverage of the The Muslim World, we hear nothing of problems that parallel ours, in Europe."

Oh Wappaho how I agree with this sentence, anyone would think we were a muslim nation, every piece of news on the beeb seems to focus on other muslims nations. WHERE IS THE EUROPEAN NEWS? I can't understand it, we are supposed to be in europe, something I'm not keen on anymore, but bugger me, there's no news of our neighbours, just the muslim lands!

Oh I've seen that happening in Paris, it's pretty common, and if you go to Lille you'll notice it's almost been taken over. We once got lost in the banlieues of Lille, it was quite frightening, very threatening.

p.s. Ah you're #11 post has got me very curious. Will it get published?

isn't the reality the uk has been defeated in Helmand and now is having some success in a much smaller role with the usa now taking on the main role of Helmand?

western muslim narratives are still miles a part with lectures like this where muslim occupation of europe is promoted as not history but the future using muslim spain as 'the model' [7.40ish].

One can see why some brits might be more attracted and see as more relevant to this type of history rather than the official school stuff about protestantism and empire.

he starts speaking in english 1.50 into the vid.

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we are speaking different narratives about which civilisation is greater.

Lizzie - I'd love to tell you. I think it's a really good story. All my life I've been the person they describe as 'there's always one' because I tell people what a great father I have. But he really is!

But you may be able to tell from my posts that I write 'chunkily', as academic reviewers used to say. I'm really good at editing but somehow I don't 'see it' when it's my own writing.

Plus, I can't decide what angle to go for. If it was a standard account of his work, I would have to contact lots of people who I don't know where they are and approach stuffy institutions etc. But he's given me all his papers etc.

What I would really like to do is to combine my interest in cultural evolution with the story of how my father's work sort of fell through a gap between modern and postmodern Britain.

The point is that my father's 40 years of pioneering work was what contributed to us arriving at a point where we decided that we should change our lexicon. So my father is a bit like the proverbial 'messenger'.

For instance, there is a famous organisation and on their web site the About section talks about their origins in 1952 and then jumps to when the organisation was renamed in 1994. In between, my father was given a professorship and building and dedicated himself to changing the attitudes that resulted eventually in the language change. But my father's work carries labels that he basically chose as best he could from what was available at the time.

There is hardly a country in the world that my parents haven't been to on my father's (invited) lecturing tours from 1966 to 1989 when he retired. (At 86 they are currently on a 3-week cruise of the Med. The day before they left we watched the cruise missile strikes...and we laughed, because they have overcome so many hurdles in their lives that it just seemed par for the course.)

I accompanied him on a trip to Greece in 1981 and I was amazed at the reception he received. For many countries and many people he truly brought light to their societies by illuminating new ways of seeing old problems.

After he retired, he was one of the first expert legal advisors, as the trend toward litigation blew in from the Atlantic. And on one famous case, he was the judge's personal advisor in court for the entire criminal trial, an advisor for a lawyer representing an author writing about the case (and I only know that because quite by chance the lawyer was the old school friend of my partner!), and advisor for a parallel civil action.

Anyway, thanks for asking as this is one small step to achieving my dream.

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As for France, my heart bleeds. I've probably spent about a year in total on holidays over many years in France and I adore the country and the people. What makes me laugh is that if you replaced all the North Africans with 'Brits', I don't think the French would be any happier! And who can blame them! I would not want to try and change France in any way. It was a perfect culture. Just as North African culture could be perfect in North Africa. I had one holiday in Morocco and there is so much beauty and life in the culture.

I really agree that we should be pumping money into helping these countries to have peaceful cultures where they can focus on pride in their heritage instead of, on the one hand, bombing their countries and, on the other hand, displacing the inhabitants.

I always thought that we would have achieved far more if we had set up an archaeological reclamation scheme and museum in Iraq, involving all the tribes, rather than destroying the ancient relics and killing the people.

What we are good at is organisation and we should focus on that. I don't think we should give relics from the BM back, but I do think that we should look to the future and help the Muslim countries reclaim their heritage, and celebrate the relationship that Europe has had with the Middle-east since pre-history.

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Jaunty we are parts of one civilisation that branched out from Mesopotamia, Anatolia and the Pontic-Caspian steppe. we are sibling rivals. we are abrahamic. we have passed science between ourselves like a baton in a relay race. but we have chosen different lifestyles and we must each have space for our chosen lifestyles, whilst also recognising our combined histories and mutual interests.

the vid is titled The Rise and Fall of Al-Andalus (Muslim Spain) . usual site.

one might of thought hearing the narrative of those who seek to make us vassals of an empire would be a duty rather than 'unsuitable' knowledge? Maybe our model of civilisation is too weak for such strong meat. Run for the hills! :)

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our models of humanity and society are very different. The idea the west is 'christian' doesn't stand up to the evidence. The west as expressed through political structures is basically nihilist relativist that denies there is any such thing as the good.

the idea of giving space to other ' models' is also not the evidence. we are not in afghanistan nor libya to install a caliphate nor let one be elected? a state cannot serve two masters.

for people in europe constant life or death wars with muslims is part of their school history. The tie was originally a symbol of christan victory over the ottomans in the balkans. The uk was never really involved in those wars so culturally has no idea thus some probably do believe such different models can co exist? Given the billions we spend of state security [that can only ever increase] i don't think the state thinks so.

16 verrry interesting. crikey. the greatest city the world has ever seen? (I'd say Constantinople was greater); an intellectual debate about how come the muslims lost it? (an intellectual debate about how Christians lost Constantinople? - ooops, we destroyed it ourselves!)

Is there any other country in the world apart from Spain that was once muslim but is no longer?

Well I would like an intellectual debate about Jerusalem. Temple Mount should not be the private property of any of the three Ab religions, it's just not fair (pouts). I came across a site recently that said Israel has hung on to the surface rights but the Palestinians have subterranean rights because that is where the supposed treasure is, but honestly it could be the other way round and may be complete nonsense anyway.

Muslims like to bring up the Crusades as a sign of western aggression but everyone seems oblivious to the fact that we LOST the crusades which is why we builded Jerusalem in the UK - in our GREEN PASTURES. And there is a GREEN revolution in The Muslim World. The ideology is the language.

our models of humanity and society are very different.
-incompatible. the decision to wear niqab has an impact on the ambiance so it is not an individual decision in western culture.

The idea the west is 'christian' doesn't stand up to the evidence.
-we have been moving from quaker/protestant/humanist to anglican/jewish/humanist over the past couple of hundred years. 2000 marks the start of a new period in our evolution. many would like to see that as either no religion or (Prince Charles) all religions.

The west as expressed through political structures is basically nihilist relativist that denies there is any such thing as the good.
-it has become so, the current series on Justice is part of the brainwashing, but previously it was based on Aristotelian 'ariste' (excellence) and public schools still are and that is why their education is sought after by many non-westerners.

the idea of giving space to other ' models' is also not the evidence. we are not in afghanistan nor libya to install a caliphate nor let one be elected?
- sorry, i don't understand that sentence

a state cannot serve two masters.
- which is why we need two-state solutions

sorry too tired to continue....:)

sorry, the point about green pastures was that in the vid he also speaks about Spain's green pastures.

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basically the model we are militarily trying to impose is a western democratic one. However when 'islamic shariah types' have been elected [e.g algeria, gaza] the west calls them terrorists?

if the idea of muslims having their own models in their own countries is so terrifying for the west what chance of muslims expressing themselves culturally inside the west? Hence the massive increase on state spending on internal security. A trend that can only continue to increase that spending.

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ottoman empire got to vienna.

as for excellence given his recent statements about how the uk is to blame for all the worlds ills where did cameron learn his history? sounds pc revisionist.

22. Yes Ottomans got to Vienna, hence - I'm not endorsing any of the content, just observing.

Land that was occupied up to Vienna was the cause of the Balkans conflict and Muslim territory has now been turned into Muslim States - that is the Green Corridor. At great expense to Europe, the descendants/converts of the Ottomans now all have their own sovereign territory. Just as, at the cost of 500,000 lives, Pakistan got its Muslim territory when the Brit Emp left.

Vast areas of the previous christian world have been conquered by Islam and it is a very clever trick that Islamists have managed to dupe our self-depracating liberals into believeing that only the west colonises, only the west aggresses, only the west causes problems. (22) Cameron suffers from a Classical education that seems to have taught him nothing about Islamic history.

"what chance of muslims expressing themselves culturally inside the west?"

Have you not noticed that for the past 5 years the UK has been preoccupied on a daily basis with 'muslims expressing themselves culturally inside (and outside) the west'? We have NO NEWS of anyone else!

"Hence the massive increase on state spending on internal security. A trend that can only continue to increase that spending."

Is that a threat or what do you mean?


21 I'm not confident I understand what you are trying to say but it looks as if the post is an example of what I am trying to explain - the west is not trying to impose something on Islam, it is trying to preserve itself against anti-western attacks - like I said, we LOST the Crusades, we are not the aggressors, we are the defenders.

Nobody is terrified of a settled Muslim World, it is exactly what westers are praying for; settled.... and contented.

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a threat?

no just fact. its a trend that the uk has of increased spending on internal security against british citizens.As HMG are being guided by the israelis it will logically lead to a gaza situation in the uk. On the path the govt have taken there is no harmonious end result. We have our own fanatics like blair and sawyers who seem to think iran is satan.

'we are the defenders'

of what? the neocon agenda is about transporting by force a western friendly model on muslim people. The uk does not defend its own borders.

islam is an imperialist model hence there is no such thing as content and settled. which is why the uk will never be content and settled.

the lesson of spain is that after 300 years of trying to accommodate a large muslim population first with the hand of friendship and then later with the inquisition in the end to restore peace they had to expel them.

Jaunty - I agree we are sleep-walking into a Gaza-type situation because we refuse to acknowledge that there is a process of cultural evolutionary development that leads to democracy.

Ironically the postmodern ideal, that all cultures are equal, has led to the US treating emergent societies as if they have the political capital to become peaceful democracies overnight, with disastrous consequences.

It is 2000 years since the UK was tribal. We then had institutions gradually laid down from the Thing to a Constitutional Monarchy and parliamentary democracy. These may not be perfect but they are a far cry from 'war lords' who have their equivalent in 11th century barons.

I generally find the level of contentment in the UK population is high. But for the past few years there has been a growing, unrepresented verging on the illegal, dissatisfaction with, or with the perception of, Islamic values eclipsing British values.