Tuesday 17 May 2011
What would have happened if Osama Bin Laden had been captured rather than killed?
Tonight we'll hear the case against Bin Laden, and we'll explore the different legal scenarios that could have ensued if the Al-Qaeda leader had been taken alive. We'll hear from advocates of each of the three scenarios what the pros and cons of each would be.
Then we'll be joined live from Islamabad by Lyse Doucet who'll be asking if the US and Pakistan can successfully work together when there's little trust left between them.
And our Diplomatic editor Mark Urban will join us live from Washington from where he'll explain why the current crisis in relations between the two countries is the most difficult since 9/11.
Tonight's guests include Judge Michael Mukasey, US attorney general under President George W Bush (2007-9), and Benjamin Ferencz, the 91-year-old former prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trials.
Do join Jeremy at 2230 on Two.
Comment number 1.
At 17th May 2011, museV wrote:'What would have happened if Osama Bin Laden had been captured rather than killed?'
Re 9/11...he probably would have said "it wasn't me that did it!" or maybe "just how did building 7 collapse?"
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Comment number 2.
At 17th May 2011, brossen99 wrote:³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ eco-fascist leaning news producers doing their level best to avoid in depth reporting the Climate Scam statement in the commons today, thought we were supposed to be watching the Canadians for sensible policy direction ?
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Comment number 3.
At 17th May 2011, barriesingleton wrote:AND (#1)
Who's the old chap inthe photo supposed to be? Your CIA fakes are rubbish.
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Comment number 4.
At 17th May 2011, stevie wrote:still doesn't 'explain' the passport found in the 9/11 rubble....
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Comment number 5.
At 17th May 2011, Mistress76uk wrote:I am highly impressed that you've got Benjamin Ferencz as a guest on the show tonight :o) - looking forward to that a lot. I'm glad that Bin Laden was killed, and I'm undecided whether there would have been much point in him being captured and sent to trial. It's going to be a corker tonight with Jeremy!
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Comment number 6.
At 17th May 2011, brossen99 wrote:/news/uk-england-13415651
The above link was posted on the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ web page yesterday and ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ North West Tonight duly dispatched one of their key reporters to stand in the rain outside the former ICI chlorine plant at Runcorn. It was well reported on the lunchtime NW news but having waited in anticipation all day it failed to appear on the peak time evening bulletin. After correspondence via facebook asking what was going on and was it some ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ eco-fascist plot to keep the general public in the dark about what's actually going on with the Climate Scam, I got the following reply.
" no conspiracy. Ineos Chlor declined to allow us on to the site and wouldn't put anyone up to be interviewed. Without the main player in the story it woudn't have sustained a full item. We did carry the story as a short news item. "
Perhaps hardly surprising when today it has emerged that the corporates have " done a deal " ( in fart filled air conditioned rooms now that smoking is no longer allowed ) so that they can get an opt out. This probably means that everyone else ( small business and householders ) will have to pay twice as much over the top for their energy.
The coalition perhaps having realised their mistake ( not economic ) have said that they will fully review the policy in 2014, a full year before the election they are bound to lose if they persist with the provisions of the 2008 Climate Change Act. However, by then the damage to our key manufacturing infrastructure will probably be irreversible, no need to worry about defence, we will have nothing worthwhile to defend anymore. Perhaps at least five million headline unemployed by then, not including those who have already fell off the end of the official statistics ?
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Comment number 7.
At 17th May 2011, barriesingleton wrote:A CHILLING BUT LOGICAL THOUGHT (#4)
Knowing these 'folk' will stop at nothing, and taking as certain that the truth will soon be undeniable, the only way the perpetrators can avoid the spotlight, is with an atrocity ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE GREATER than 9/11. I have guessed a nuclear strike (badly disguised as an accident - of course).
What have you got stevie?
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Comment number 8.
At 17th May 2011, ChickenPaxo wrote:Well for starters I suppose if the US had him he'd be tortured at Guantanamo if the Brits had him he'd be sharing a cell in Belmarsh on 3 square a day,working out in the gym and doing OU in criminology, if the Swedes had him then he would be doing yoga and reflective pennance and if the Russians had him he would be more radioactive than Fukushima!
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Comment number 9.
At 17th May 2011, brossen99 wrote:Me #6
I can't help speculating that the alleged opt out the collective corporates have got themselves against energy price increases due entirely to the 2008 Climate Change Act is unlawful under EU competition legislation. Its clear that it gives those large companies ( FTSE 350 listed ? ) an unfair advantage over smaller companies. Obama has introduced a similar sounding US scheme to opt out " Fortune 500 " companies from mandatory health insurance for all their employee's, the small companies have to pay it. Its all part of the " Corporate Nazi " ideology festering in trans Atlantic politics, all about cementing a Corporate Multinational Cartel, the virtual corporate ethnic cleansing of all low and middle income people in order to turn everyone into the slaves of the Banks.
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Comment number 10.
At 17th May 2011, kevseywevsey wrote:After Bin Laden?..
9/11 was an inside job. If there was any trial for the deaths from the attack on US homeland, try this: round up the goons who operated Bush and his administration. Bin Laden was lower down the food chain; a useful idiot; a conduit. Bin Laden was just a wealthy spokesmouth who paid his way into his own iconic image. And a very useful bogey man.
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Comment number 11.
At 17th May 2011, Mistress76uk wrote:Fantastic edition tonight - this is what Newsnight is about! My highlight of the night was Jeremy's debate with Ferencz et al on the pros and cons of putting Bin Laden on trial.
The rest was great too :o)
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Comment number 12.
At 17th May 2011, brossen99 wrote:Complain about this comment (Comment number 12)
Comment number 13.
At 18th May 2011, flicks3 wrote:"Tonight we'll hear the case against Bin Laden, and we'll explore the different legal scenarios that could have ensued if the Al-Qaeda leader had been taken alive. We'll hear from advocates of each of the three scenarios what the pros and cons of each would be."
Hope people now see what I mean by laughable .
# 7 Barrie the target of the Osama psyop is Pakistan we have already seen things getting toasty and they sure have nukes
mean while in the US people who are not deluded taking to cameras do what they can :-
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Comment number 14.
At 18th May 2011, flicks3 wrote:You know they resurrected Ripley in the Alien films, why didn't they put that in as an option for the Osama narrative, they forgot a re boot function ? I dont buy that for a second.
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Comment number 15.
At 18th May 2011, JunkkMale wrote:Nice to see 'Whatemighthavebeennighty' in full fiction as 'could' fact flow.
'What would have happened' doesn't seem the best directional step in complement.
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Comment number 16.
At 18th May 2011, barriesingleton wrote:OK FLICKS3 - I'M OFF TO LADBROKES (#13)
I must have nodded off while Iran was still No1 nucular evildoer. Pakistan it is then.
In passing: poignant that Osama's 'death' validated Obama's 'birth'. Poetic even. The MO of overlaying the unwanted news with a more juicy story seems well established now.
"How I long to see the mushroom cloud."
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Comment number 17.
At 18th May 2011, ecolizzy wrote:Was the Queen being ironic?
"The Wearing of the Green"
Just wondered....
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Comment number 18.
At 18th May 2011, flicks3 wrote:Nomi Prins talks about $ 4 Trillion sitting at the FED for the bankers while the rest of the US public get thrown out of their homes with fake signed paper from liars loans..
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Comment number 19.
At 18th May 2011, wappaho wrote:16. treading on sacred burial grounds there, Barrie :))
but that mystical mountain air sure moves in mysterious ways...
"mean streets people play for keeps when they creep we
reap zero pay for beats cause we deep see
these simple songs sell steep masses sleep be
seized media techniques no one speaks free"
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Comment number 20.
At 18th May 2011, flicks3 wrote:Matt Taibbi lays it out :
Are the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ getting it yet do you think ?
Hello anyone there ?
Anyone worked out what bail-out means yet ?
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Comment number 21.
At 18th May 2011, wappaho wrote:From Hawkeye's link
"There has been much talk & debate about what this dollar end game would look like. Will it be a monumental deflation (an uber Great Depression) or how about a Weimar style hyperinflation? "
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