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Seems our politicians have written off Ghadaffi sort of prematurely. Perhaps they live on wishful thinking.

The SAS will save the day although lest we forget didn't Blair organise our SAS to train the Libyan SAS. One seems to cancel the other out.

It begins to look like a film set where there are less rebels on the streets of Tripoli than there were rioters on the streets of London. They just drive around and around to make it look as if there are more of them.

Now it is urban warfare NATO can just take pot shots from their armchairs in the sky hoping to hit someone. Time to get real and start talking before even more innocents are killed.

".............National Citizen Service - David Cameron's training programme for 16-year-olds which is to be expanded in response to the recent riots.

How effective will a universal programme be at combating the sort of problems we saw a few weeks ago?"

Will it be truly a universal programme? Or will it be a half-baked attempt to teach the poor and disadvantaged their place? Perhaps we all need to be confirmed in citizenship in the same way that churchgoers need to be confirmed in religion? That would mean everyone, rich or poor, should spend a year doing dirty jobs, (and I don't mean being a solicitor or accountant,) to earn their citizenship.

I would envisage a genuine 'National Citizen Service' conferring a right to free higher and continuing education, and the right to stand for Parliament and public office. In fact the latter should require two years service. Those who aspire to lead should follow the reported example of Jesus and, so to speak, 'wash the feet' of their potential followers.

"TONIGHT WE WILL BE MAKING SENSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING."

You can find SENSE in this?

"WESTMINSTER PSYCHOLOGICAL SURVEY" (#3)

Let Dave and his chums, in high office, submit themselves for psychological profiling, in the interests of the nation as a whole.

Has not Great Tony The Sage informed us that the DAMAGING FAMILY EXPERIENCE is a precursor to nasty behaviour. (I need not remind you of Dave's track record for nastiness. Ironically, St Tony, too, leaves a legacy of bad behaviour that is hard to match!)

Lessons must be learned.

I watched a fascinating programme on the impact of bad diet & lifestyle on unborn children a couple of days ago. The REALLY scary thin was how a bad diet and lifestyle damages the health prospects and development not only of the child borne from mothers in this position now, BUT IT ALSO DAMAGES THEIR CHILDREN TOO!

This leads to a massive demand on the NHS - heart disease, diabetes, etc and must cost the country billions in welfare payments.

When you look around at the underclass in the UK, the situation they are in concentrates deprivation and ensures that their children will perpetuate the underclass into the future because of their social, educational, economic and as we now know, their personal health constitution too.

The implications of this are pretty serious - any economic pressure put on low income young women and families to cut the current welfare bill will result in more low birth weight babies, which in turn will suffer from more health problems, which in turn will cost the country through NHS spending AND will increase the financial burden on future generations, as they too produce exponentially more damaged children.

We must commit ourselves to ending the conditions that allow the underclass to exist in this country - we must break up the sink estates, we must intervene directly in failing families, we must ramp up contraception efforts, we must take children away from those not capable of looking after them, we must police pregnant women to make sure their diet is appropriate, we must make schools deliver competent people into the workforce and we must create jobs in large numbers and make sure they are not going 80% to people coming in from abroad - BUT THIS CANNOT BE DONE BY FURTHER REDUCING THEIR ALREADY LOW STANDARD OF LIVING!

Cameron's Big Society is a total abrogation of our collective responsibility for the nation's future - its children. I'm not against self-help and community orgaisations - we're awash with them already and many do a cracking job, but they are not the solution and we all know it, that's why "BS" is seen by virtually everyone as more to do with bovine excretia that any chance of the Big Society working.

We need to revamp pre-natal care - we need to turn social workers and educational welfare officers into a force with real power and resources to intervene to help failing families but also to protect children from neglect. Want to leave school? Well you're not goin to until you reach the required level of literacy and numeracy and your interpersonal skills are good enough to win and

..We will take a wider look at how the Arab Spring is likely to affect women...

kirsty must be on then

BUT WHAT IF ILL HEALTH IS A RESOURCE PROVIDING JOBS SALES AND TAX? (#6)

A short time back, I reported this chilling realisation RB: We all know that alcohol and tobacco 'cost out' in the fell halls of Westminster - net gain. By the same token: I suspect Dave's 'sickening regime' linked to the 'NRS' (National Repair Service) which returns the 'mended' to that same regime - until claimed by 'storage unto death' (another employer/consumer) also 'costs out', as net gain, in the sick bowels of Westminster.

THIS IS THE AGE OF PERVERSITY - PRIME MINISTERS ARE ITS HIGH PRIESTS

#9 (previous) ecolizzy.
鈥楾here's no point in adding a comment, I'm sure you all know about this....

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It鈥檚 relevant to tonight鈥檚 NN item, so I鈥檝e summarized facts and comments:
From 1997-2010: 60% of asylum seekers bogus; cost Britain鈥檚 taxpayers 拢10 billion (拢2.3million/day)
25% granted asylum (including appeals); a further 15% granted other forms of protection; 59% of applications lodged only after the applicant had been detected; only 33% of refusals removed, giving a 77% chance of staying 鈥� whatever the merits of their case

鈥淒elays in the system leave the door open for appeals based on the right to family life without any consideration for the rights of society in general. It is absurd that we should allow people who have been in Britain illegally for years to claim asylum so as to delay or prevent their removal; this now applies to almost 60% of claimants.鈥� Andrew Green

An absurdity compounded by payment of claims for 鈥榠llegal detention!
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It is a pity that the lawyers have been so remarkably silent all these years. The failure of the UKBA to implement the appeal court decisions reduces their activities to a charade and brings the rule of law into disrepute.鈥� Andrew Green

Why would lawyers (mainly ethnics) complain when asylum charades provides a lucrative existence (courtesy of legal aid and the UK taxpayer)?

#3 Sasha re- Community Service:

Having benefited from the discipline and camaraderie of 2 years National Service I have long advocated its re-introduction, with the option of community service (Bevin Boys) as before. The additional factors that didn鈥檛 apply in my days are now the alternative to unemployment/ benefits payments, and the need to establish responsibility/loyalty to society and state.

Could help too with #6 Richard
I never saw an obese serviceman and it vastly improved my health and outlook.

big bad man Gaddafi, the nations darling a few years ago with Tony's arms all around him and now we are to witness the dance to the American tune about the Lockerbie bomber who is innocent as the governor of the jail in Scotland said 'there isn't a man in this prison who thinks he is the man who planted the bomb on 103, ask Jim Squires whose daughter perished in the attack. The outrage was done by the Iranians as all Arab opinion will testify and the deal done by the West with Gaddafi was to get Libya back onside for trade reasons which suited the West and Gaddafi and the pawn was the man who sat in Barlinnie prison for years. MI6 and the CIA will peddle the line that it was all Libya's fault, the truth is a million miles away......

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DOES AN INSTITUTIONALISED NATION GAIN BY MORE INSTITIONALISATION? (#9)

Tender new lives are drafted into parent-free battery housing, thence to school, thence to more school by another name. THIS IS NOT WHAT NATURE WOULD DO.

We are already a nation of sheeples. I suggest something very different is needed if we are to produce mature, aware, competent individuals.

But as sheeples are a RSOURCE (see #8) Westminster will never make any move to break the mould.

I think it is a good thing that NATO helped to get rid of Col. Gaddafi. The rebels could never have done it themselves. The Libyan people (as well as many other Arab nations) wanted change and democracy. Gaddafi has been in power for 42 years. His political power and stranglehold on the country is unshakable (yesterday the people in my office were nicknaming him Godfrey). The only chance of a smooth transition is if Gaddafi passes away, but given how his mate Megrahi has miraculously survived prostate cancer for so long, I presume Libya has some outstanding doctors and advanced medical system, so that scenario is not happening anytime soon.

THANKS STEVIE (#10)

Anyone who doubts, should read the Private Eye Lockerbie Special report.

Dr Jim Swire is one of the rare 'GOOD MEN' that I am ever seeking.

The Megrahi release stitch-up, fingers a lot of our 'honourables' as the lowlife they are.

THE AGE OF PERVERSITY

LOOK DEEPER (#13)

With respect h, you are taking too much at face value. Try this:



Three volumes, each in several parts. Follow the sequence.

As to whereabouts of the 'Colonel Gaddafi'

For what its worth - my 'guesstimate' is that he is hiding in a safe house in ... Algeria

Good news!

Growth at last - the latest report by 'Wittol Watch' is that our House of Commons is manufacturing 4% annual growth in Parliamentary wittols (Yes ... not widgets - 'wittols').

The spokesperson at Wittol Watch said 'Our MP's & their spouses have had a busy year' and this is definitely the green shoots of growth - even though all & sundry are distracted by yet another war & our UK economy is also showing growth in the key economic indicators of e.g. :-

Unemployment
Inflation
National debt
Immigration & foreign nationals taking jobs in the UK
UK dependency on overseas for virtually everything except wind & rain

So if this is what UK politicians mean by growth hopefully someone on Newsnight will be able to ask some meaningful & searching questions at some stage by our UK MP's as to:-
What they mean by 'growth'
Who is supposed to benefit from it - how what where & how & by how much
How much growth are they planning for - how what where & how much

etc

Seems the MP's must be thankful for the hacking, riots and rantings of despots - as otherwise they might have to do more & try & e.g. run the country

LIBYA HAS MORE UNTAPPED RESOURCES THAN JUST ITS OIL

Here's a story that the MSM (including the 成人论坛) made sure it wasn't reported on...

NATO bombs Libyan Great Man Made River project!



According to eminent professionals, there is enough fresh water discovered in underground wells and aquafers in the Libyan and Sahara areas, that it will last a 1000 years. The Gaddafi aquafer project has has been described as the 8th wonder of the world just by its shear scale. The Libyans are now so expert at underground water/aquafer development that they now (or used to) provide consultant services to the rest of the world.

Great Manmade River



So Gaddafi instigated the development of the most precious commodity in N Africa. It has taken over 26 years of long term developement to bring this project to fruition. It was only just completed. Libya did not borrow a single penny from the West for this project (that was probably their biggest mistake!).

Does that sound like the action of a deluded mad man to you? (ref Radio 4's PM programme this afternoon - 'Gaddafi is mad'). Projects like these are normally undertaken by statist nations. Anti-statist nations just get jealous and by imperial power plunders that which is not theirs. This project would have lierally tunre N Africa green (and the West's banktsa's green with envy).

I remember and educational programme, set in the US a few years ago if I recall, whereby the thesis of the programme was...that in the future, nations won't be fighting over oil, but over water rights.

#17 Nautonier

I thought 'Wittol' meant something completely different.




And if memory serves and by coincidence, this word was explained on Radio 4 earlier this week!

(can't remember why!)

;o)

Why can't anyone comment on Paul Mason's blog anymore? It was the most interesting blog on the 成人论坛 site, even after the rubbish change of commenting system and limiting of how many characters you could type.

DOES SOME NATO STOOGE SUPPLY BOTTLED WATER? (#18)

If we can bomb 'em we can dehydrate 'em. Strange to tell, we even 'kill our own', legally, by that route!

AGE OF PERVERSITY

#22 brossen


Great link - I personally rate Dr Paul Roberts' pieces on on a wide renge of subjects written in clear, plain english.


BTW - I meant to mention a couple of days ago re the 9/11's Building 7 conspiracy truth....does anyone else remember the passenger plane that vaporised on impact with the Pentagon? (no pics btw)

Trust me, the super alloys that are used in modern jet engine turbines cannot simply vaporise.

It's physically impossible (i.e. it's against the laws of physics).

EGYPT IN DANGER OF MOTHERING FUTURE CHILDREN AT HOME

Much studio angst over under-representation of women in non-nurturing roles.

It's appalling. How do they expect to reach the advanced stage of development that we have, if they refuse to draft women into non-domestic roles? This will put their entire childcare industry at risk of under-development, and threaten the rise of Egyptian WoeMen, leaving them trailing way behind advanced nations, in the quest for total sociopsychological breakdown.

It appears they must be bombed, for their own good. Start with the water supply - that will bring them to their senses.

19.At 21:17 24th Aug 2011, museV wrote:
#17 Nautonier

I thought 'Wittol' meant something completely different.

>
Just because something has been said on R4 does not mean that it is correct/accurate - see e.g.



Like the current whereabouts of Gaddafi - Seems to be a mystery.

If our 'whittol MP's' don't mind being whittols - then to my mind they 're not going to be concerned about e.g. the state of the UK economy - whether you or I have a job or a pension etc as interfering overseas etc is more important to them?

LOOKING BEHIND THE ARRAS (#24)

After absorbing vast amounts of 9/11 data, I registered a pattern - it was that there is no pattern - only perversity. So many clues that the brain fuses.

Then I chanced on "The Resolution Trilogy"



and the underlying thesis appears to be that the chaos is intentional - a distraction - from THE GREATER EVENT OF GLOBAL ANNEXATION.

I am so punch-drunk, I don't know who to believe, but my 'overview' just got fitted with a wider-angle lens.

Whatever we are in, it is getting deeper.

#25 barrie

Woemen as mothers are not good for business.

Woemen that stay at home tend not to spend much money.

No money on make-up.

No money on clothes.

Worse still they have no independant income - that is just not good for business.

Woeman of independant means tend not to have children at all (liberal democracy = declining birth rate)

No problem though....just ship in some third world sorts (low cognitive ability = higher birth rates, proven fact) and they will create the extra consumers required for the one god...GROWTH.

It's a libertarian, Trotyskyite, free-market, neocon thing. Now which tribe just might promote that to all others...but intersetingly, not amongst themselves?

NOT THE FIRST POSTER TO MAKE THAT POINT MUSE-V (#28)

I am going to tell my friend Vera about you.

#26 Phew!

Thanks for the clarification.

when you said:

"The spokesperson at Wittol Watch said 'Our MP's & their spouses have had a busy year' "

I was beginning to wonder!

BATTERY BABES, SUPER (MAN) AND WOMEN AND EARTH MOTHER.

#25 BarrieSingleton and 28 MuseV

Whilst struggling to compose something of any value on this topic I stumbled across this on R2 this morning.

The Dalai Lama, when asked what surprised him most about humanity, he said:

鈥淢an Because he sacrifices his health in order to make money.Then he sacrifices money to recuperate his health. And then he is so anxious about the future that he does not enjoy the present; the result being that he does not live in the present or the future; he lives as if he is never going to die, and then dies having never really lived."


Would I be rich powerful and famous if I could find a way to break the cycle of want creation = growth = wealth creation = want creation....... I note now that Funerals are taking on the mantle that beset weddings a decade or so back. More, bigger, flashier is soooooooooo much better. One upmanship in death now!

Heaven (or maybe Hell) help us all.

SHIVER UP MY SPINE (#31)

What a beautiful nugget of wisdom BYT. What do you think would be 'Damaged Dave's' outward reaction to it? And what his unspoken thoughts (terrors)? And lastly: his trite slogan to cover it?

Your observation regarding 'opulent death' very telling. And the wedding costs seem to be inversely proportional to the success of the union!

Personally, I am continually surprised by the magnitude of Man's PERVERSITY.

PERVERSE CHOICES #32

Gotta Dash (ha ha- oh the irony!)

But I'm sure you would be amused?? by the tale of a young friend on my 23 year old son. Married recently to his childhood sweetheart. Both from what we would call lower middle class families. Both just out of university (in Scotland so not the enormous debt). Bth have moderately good jobs. Moved back in with parents after wedding honeymoon because they couldn't afford a house.

The wedding/honeymoon package cost a mere 拢33,000. Where they live and work, that is half the price of a new 2 bed starter home.

I weep. And I have put aside 拢1000 a piece for my boys to do whatever they want when the time comes. That's more that we spent on our nuptials 27 years ago. I'd like to be there - but if I'm sent a photo and a piece of cake afterwards, and they are happy and not in debt until after the divorce comes through, I'll be happy enough.

Call me an old Cynic ........... its better than calling me a taxi.

Taxi! (I'm outta here)

29 SHILLINGS AND SIX PENCE (#33)

That was the cost of our wedding. It survived 35 years and our sons seem sane - so far.

You ARE an old cynic BYT - an admirable one.

LORD PILLOCH BROWN EXPLAINS THE RIGHT PRIORITIES FOR THE NEW LIBYAN GOVERNMENT.

But his Westminster ninnies don't even know how to govern this country!

Is it me?

I know, I know it's my favourite hobbyhorse!



I've written and complained several times to my MP about mass immigration, and guess what he never listens! ; )

But then I don't think that's what parliament is supposed to be for is it? Isn't it a rich mans club?!

You know folks, not all women are happy being tied to the home: and if they aren't happy, their kids won't be either. Some fathers are very good at nurture.

There never was an idyllic time when all fathers provided and all mothers happily nurtured. Not so long ago, most women were peasants who had to work in the fields. They often kept their recently born quiet with a rag soaked in poppy juice. And/or there were more elderly relatives available to help. The latter is known to have played a part in human evolution. In fact, the small nuclear family is an unnatural recent phenomenon.

It doesn't matter where the nurture comes from, so long as it occurs. Whether that can happen properly in hatcheries/boarding schools with minimal family contact is another matter. I'm glad I don't have the personal experience to know for sure!

Of course, what is perverse is that, despite technology, too many parents need to work far too many hours, not to provide for the needs of the family, but, directly or indirectly, to pay interest to the banks. And this because of ridiculous inflated property prices which the banks themselves have engineered by creating money out of nothing.

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I TOLD YOU SO!

UK net migration rises 21%


When are people going to learn what鈥檚 really going on.
The political elite are all Trotskyite, neocon, anarchist (without rule) libertarians.
This left vs right garbage is just pantomime for the schmucks.
The libertarians comprise of those at the top of banking, politics, the MSM, the judiciary, business and the law. They鈥檙e all in it together

More immigrants = more consumers (which is good for business)

Even if they go straight onto benefits, they still spend most of their money at Tesco鈥檚 (Remember, "Every penny helps!").


Cameron's rhetoric, is well, just empty rhetoric. Remember what JJ-five names said 'judge them only by their outcomes'.

#37 Oliver James thinks mothers are pretty good!

And what's happening here....



Strangely nothing to do with Libya

And how we ended up here with my above link....... some old news



I believe the news was all about Iraq or somewhere when this slipped by, funny how we are being fundamentally changed as a nation, I thought it was called genocide.

To expand on my last point. My parents bought a house for 拢1800 in 1957 on a 25 year 90% mortgage. The repayments were 拢12 per month, 拢144 per year. Dad was on a little above the average wage at the time, but not much. I would guess about 拢1000 per year, probably 拢750 after tax and NI. My mum didn't go back to work for a couple of years after that, so the mortgage payment was no more than 20% of dad's salary after deductions.

Now, the same house in the unfashionable North-East would cost about 拢130 000. According to online mortgage calculators, a typical repayment would perhaps be 7000 plus pa - a much bigger chunk of any salary close to the average one. And this is at a time of, by recent standards, relatively low interest rates, and in a depressed area.

A CHILD OF OUR TIME (#37)

Oh come on Sasha - its a good PC line with a straw woman thrown in.

We are just overblown apes. Does little chimpy CHOOSE to ride on mummy or daddy? If you spend months INSIDE another being, sharing that PARTICULAR being at every level and bathed in her juices, thence to be dumped into an alien environment, is it not predictable you will feel safest CLOSE TO THAT BEING?

With genuine respect: I think Sasha needs to ask Sasha some very probing questions . . .

Twiddling our thumbs while Rome burns comes to mind

REMOVE MOTHERING AND THE RESULT IS A LOW-STATUS INDIVIDUAL (#40)

Timely post Lizzy (though in the public domain for a long time). I can see MuseV nodding sagely - the Manipulating Elite, seeking easy mass control, have wrecked mothering.

"Those whom the gods wish to destroy they first make mad" and those whom the Elite wish to battery farm, they first make motherless, to instil low status.

Heather Brooke says: "The Revolution will be Digital". But can it bring down this entrenched tyranny?

What is the 成人论坛 view?

With respect Barrie, we aren't all the same! I was speaking from personal experience, not PCness. In my case, I'd have chosen dad every time! He was my solace - a gentle kind and nurturing man. My mother seemed to have boundless energy - they complemented each other, but she was my goad, constantly pushing and encouraging me. It was good for us all when she went back to work and could use her excess energy constructively. My Russian grandmother was a doctor, and her parents helped greatly with my mother's upbringing.

As for the ladies on the English side of the family, they are all deceased, so I can give my opinion without causing offence. Imagine the most frightening women in 'Last Of The Summer Wine'. The Clarkson women would have eaten them for breakfast. It was the strength, determination, and sometimes the ruthlessness of the females which helped many working class Northern families survive the bad times of the twenties and thirties. They were warm, but fearsome, and certainly not "nice", though they may have been "good". Think of a cross between Pratchett's Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax, or perhaps Stanley Holloway's Mrs Ramsbottom.

"First aid?," said Mrs. Ramsbottom
With a horrible look on her brow.
"If ever you wanted first aid in your life,
By gum, you'll be wanting it now."



Apart from my dad, who was my Gran's favourite, the men in the family kept quiet and knew their place!

'THEY WORK FOR THEM' (#36)

I complained to my MP when he put the Conservative 'Liar Flyer' (False Instrument) through my door in 2010. The Flyer said, unequivocally, that if I did not vote Conservative, BROWN would come back for FIVE YEARS. At the bottom, Dodgy Dave added his falsehoods, and SIGNED his name.



I pressed my MP (Richard Benyon DEFRA) until I received this reply:

Dear Barrie

Thank you for your letter of the l6th February.
I have not much to add to my reply to you of the 18"'June.

If there had been a national swing against the Conservatives,
which had resulted in the Newbury seat reverting to the Liberal Democrats, that would have meant that Labour would have been the largest Party in Parliament and the reality of a Labour-Liberal Democrat coalition.

I hope this clarifies matters for you. I NOW CONSIDER THIS CORRESPONDENCE CLOSED. (My emphasis.)

Yours sincerely

(signed) Richard

Did you notice the absence of ANY REFERENCE to BROWN? I suggest this comes close to "MISCONDUCT IN PUBLIC OFFICE". How say you NN bloggers?

DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER - HOME OF DISHONOURABLE MPs

if you want the truth on Gaddafi read Seamus Milne in the Guardian...explosive!

#46 HEAD OF THE NAIL HAS BEEN WELL AND TRULY STRUCK

".....They were warm, but fearsome, and certainly not "nice", though they may have been "good"......"

Parents are supposed to be tough, fearsome, warm and good. When they started to try too hard to be seen to be nice, to be 'friends' with their offspring did not the rot set in.

My Grandmother was all of those things. My parents inherited and practised the practice.So too were most of my teachers. Male and female. The person who soothed you, bathed your knees; nursed you when ill, made sure you had warm food to eat even if they didn't; took it upon themselves to ensure you understood life, risk, love, responsibility. It wasn't easy. It wasn't always nice. Sometimes it was tough and painful. But it was usually with love, and it was 'good'.

I know not everyone had that opportunity.


But (back to your previous point) when, where, how and why did we decide that the 鈥榥urturing鈥� of our young was best delivered by a constantly changing stream of young women many of whom scarcely understand the term 鈥榥urture鈥� themselves. Nurture is way way more than teaching how to tie laces, toileting, using a knife and fork or reading. It is things that are absorbed by osmosis, by immersion in the core values of generations of decent (mostly) people.

The paid nannies, nursery nurses, playgroup and reception teachers are not able to do that. Moreso they are not allowed. They understand ticking boxes. That is a criticism more of the system than it is of the individual .

I don't think one can directly blame the banks/ers for all of life's ills. Responsibility of the individual must come into play surely. Market economies are manipulated to some extent but only to the extent that people follow the pack rather than apply self control that in turn regulates the market to some extent.

WRONG LINK ALERT (#47)

The eagle eyed will have noted that the scurrilous bogey man threat of GORDON BROWN is not used in the leaflet I linked. NOTE that version of the Liar Flyer was issued by SCOTTISH Conservatives, in the Gordon constituency!

Here is the BOGEY MAN GORDON version (Cardiff Central constituency):



The whole picture of Conservative devious, manipulative practices, just gets worse and worse. Of course - Dave knew nothing.

@49 BYT "The paid nannies, nursery nurses, playgroup and reception teachers are not able to do that. " Aren't they? I could give you several counterexamples where professional parents arrange care for their kids by people who are, or beome, like extended family, and spenf plenty of quality time with the kids themselves. And those kids grow up balanced, polite and are a pleasure to be with. It takes a bit of organisation and effort, but it works. In fact, given that we tend not to have families of ten any more, and myriads of cousins, I would guess that it's more healthy that kids have a wider social circle. So long as they are grounded, and loved!

'BLOOD': GENES, PHEROMONES, IMPRINTED-FACE, VOICE, BODY-SOUNDS ETC (#51)

Apologies for intrusion.

Mother is UNIQUE. Ask any baby Chimp.

Some very disturbed individuals mask their angst with good behaviour until . . .
Blair was charismatic to many.

IRONY

Listening to PM this evening, how ironic to have a foreign statistician talking of our massive immigration figures. Presumably the stats professors here are not good enough to work in the universities here, so we have to employ "experts" from abroad?!

Then followed the usual line of foreign people saying how wonderful britain is, I wonder why the indigenous people don't feel the same anymore?! Well not the ones that I know anyway.

ANOTHER IRONY

Visited France recently and was very amused to hear the french complaining of massive immigration to their shores in northern France, and guess what the immigrants they complained of were English! I had to laugh.

So all identities will be lost, all cultures cease, just one big balkanised area, as JJ predicted.

@52 Yes - but you can have too much of a good thing. I have no doubt that breast-feeding is good, but so is weaning, literally and metaphorically.

And actually, the chimp's social life is NOT the human nuclear family, nor, in a completely different way is the bonobo's (despite almost identical genes). Humans throughout history have successfully adopted a variety of family structures. And I know, first hand, of a number of highly successful adoptions.

To compare the individuals I have been thinking of with Tony Blair is nonsense. None of them went to boarding schools, and their family dynamics weren't compromised by serious parental illness. And with St Tony there might have been a bit of nature as well as nurture too.

ONE SIZE DOESN'T FIT ALL!