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Just to clarify, is this 'Brown's strategy' (headline), or 'Britain's strategy' (end para)?

What with one thing and another, it seems a fairly important distinction as I see my country and its reputation 'run' into the ground.

A couple of observations from the document:

- Is our embassy in Afghanistan the largest? Interesting.

- The section on Pakistan's Recent History is exceptionally brief. I wonder why!

My take is that the insurgency is a reaction against the presence of foreign troops. But then I'm biased - I predicted that in September 2001 before they went.

save us from these sanctimonious politicians who every question time say we should pay our respects to the soldiers who have made the ultimate sacrifice and they do not speak for me and countless other thousands who would bring them home from this worthless enterprise......

STRATEGY? LOOKS LIKE TACTICS TO ME.

Brown, like a string of PMs before him, has only one strategy; to be lauded and go into the history books as great. And all because Wee Jimmie has a damaged psyche and a desperate, un-meetable need. (Just like Tony). Afghanistan is only important to Brown, in serving the forgoing need. Brown wraps himself in the armed forces, in the interest of Brown. With reference to #3 above, does anyone dare do a poll of why they are sign up? I doubt many are 'defending Britain'; indeed, it is pretty obvious they are annoying a lot of Afghans, while growing boys look on. Do our troops know that the EU is growing subsidised tobacco while they fight to suppress poppy growing. Now THAT is strategy - really bad strategy. Drug control begins at home.

The false belief of Liberal intervention drives the current failures. It turns a criminal matter of people doing violence and gloriflies it as world terrorism.

like saying drug dealers pose a threat to the uk so lets make war on columbia. Or burma etc.

the error is the inflation of an ordinary criminal matter and investing it with some biblical world mission.

now tony is gone we don't need these pointless adventures.

the money spent on foreign wars would be better spent in the uk or paying the locals to fight.

AUGUST 20TH 2009

This is an important day for the (UK) United Kingdom, the British Commonweath of Nations, are you a soverign state or are you vassal state, are you now going to be the (52nd) State on the flag of the (AIE) American Israel Empire? Are you as Britians ready for an unending (Af-Pak) War? Are you prepared not for body bags comming home to Britian, but wounded who will require long time special care and assistance until the day of their deaths? Are you prepared to see men in their youth walking on two new types of legs not their own? Are you prepared for the long term costs? King David H. Betray US, Petraeus, the Buther of Islam has stated that Victory may not be able to be defined, the real truth is victory will never be achieved.

Understand Islamic Freedom Fighters are flowing into the battle from all over the globe, Muslims from the (AIE) are in the fight, every where Muslims are recruits are a (1B) One Billion pool to draw upon. You are already paying for the largest military in history by having (AIE) Bonds, Treasury notes, Dollars,as you are funding a military of (1.14B) One-Point-fourteen Billion Euros a day to support, it is not going to anything else as even the (AIE) taxpayer is on the hook for the military costs.

The (AIE) is two oceans away, Britian is only a Channel away are you ready? The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and old enemy no longer has to do the dirty work only supply the means for a new enemy with no fear of death but welcoming it, are you ready?

This is not the Falken Islands, this is not Iraq, were you set your own rules of engagement, this is not the Balkins were you told an (AIE) General (NO) to engaging a rump Russian Parachute Division, this is not just in an out, are you ready?

The (AIE) lost its own war on drugs, can't control its own boarders and somehow the British are going to do what they couldn't in their own country, were no one was trying to kill them, are you ready?

August 20th, 2009, Are you ready?

Strategically, what difference does it make if the AQ have a base in AF-PAK? Such bases are useful only for training. The AQ could have bases in many places and the structure is cellular. This is not a war for the military- it is a police matter.

What proportion of the population would support the AQ if the infidel invaders were not there? The strategic concern is how to strengthen the locals who do not have international ambitions.

TODAY WE HAVE NAMING OF PARTS

Volunteer heroes have been named today, in a ceremony that chose not to feature the names of reluctant collateral-zeroes, lying anonymously broken, in miscellaneous corners of 'foreign fields', i.e. their own land. In noble America, all are born equal; in American wars, they do not die so.

My concern about Brown's strategy for Afgan/Pak-istan is that he is aping the policy of a world power, and the UK is now a second rate power.

And how is Mr Brown to implement his policy. I do not know, but it WILL include sending more troops to that area.

I feel no relief at the UK's much heralded army withdrawal from Iran, if in 6 month's time those same troops will be cannon fodder even further away from home.

Cut your coat to suit your wallet, Gordon. Don't keep punching above the UK's weight, and for pity's sake don't commit to more vain-glorious miltary forrays in distant lands.

Mark, I wonder if your viewpoint would be different if you had spent more than 5 minutes at a time in a combat zone? It's very easy to sit and pontificate from the comfort of a studio. The way you denegrate the efforts of British Army personnel in Basra to enhance the safety and quality of life for ordinary people from the warm comfortable surroundings of a ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ studio is deeply offensive.

Note to Herculesvinien: Ready willing and able. Bring it on. The greatest successes of the terrorists are as the buzzing of an annoying mosquito. Whereas we can, at will, lay waste to the whole of your terrorist lairs. Count the bodies.

Note to SeanDK59:

Another (GWB) George Walker Bush, Bring it on, and (4K)Four-Thousand were carried home in body bags, the average dead to wounded is (10::1) ten wounded to one killed, so (40K)Forty-Thousand were wounded, and generally (40%)Forty-Precent have wounds that are life changing requiring years of care. that means (16K)Sixteen Thousands young lives have been damaged. We did body counts in the Nam, for the idiots running it, you don't know just how cold it can get on patrol in a jungle until its in a jungle were (NVA)and Viet Cong are trying to kill you, (20)twenty years, (55K)Fifty-Five Thousand Dead Americans, (550K) Five-Hundred and fifty Thousand wounded, (220K)Two-hundred and twenty thousand with life changing wounds. You can count the dead, done enough of that, and am tired of seeing yet another generation of kids with no limbs, a kid with an Army 'Tee" Shirt on with no legs of his own, but the new artificial ones, and what a purple heart. Bomb, Kill, Zippo the village, commit (Melie Village) incidents, let Blackwater kill women and children at will, there would not be terrorist if they weren't created.

Ready, willing and able, then do it, don't write live it, walk it, and after that see if you think it was all worth it, or a better way was to be ready to talk, willing to listen, and able to come to position were your counting your blessing instead of your dead.

"THE DEAD WILL BE THE LUCKY ONES" (Long John Silver) #6 and 12

Well stated HerculeSavinien. It speaks volumes that we see so little of the maimed and mutilated heroes - only the neatly squared-off and beflagged ones. Politicians manage to bring hypocrisy into every aspect of their doings. How apt that 'hypocrisy' chimes so well with 'democracy' in the English tongue.

Seems to me every govt has missed the boat in Afghanistan.... Its drugs drugs drugs and more drugs supplying counter insurgents with weapons and funds... Cut off this supply and continuing the fight gets very hard. I put a question to one of the heads of the UN office on drugs and crime in the region after he said there was now a rapidly growing link between Terror and Narcotics. "Why can't drug companies buy crops from Afghanistan and remove the criminal element from it?" His answer sailed round the point and he said countries in the region need to look at Drug control as a non political act... Dig deeper on this one and the truth becomes a little more uncomfortable.

Is the most question not whether any strategy can be effective against the spiritual, moral and historical influences with which al-Qaeda fight?

From my understanding the longer the progression the more the conflict resembles Vietnam, with the ISAF fighting on two fronts, one militarily against their opponent and two with the local population to win their trust, the latter of which is undermined, obviously, by civilian casualties and mortalities.

The ability of al-Qaeda to repeatedly revive their strength from the brink of capitulation surely is an indication to NATO/US/UK forces that regardless of strategy the war cannot be won.

The Afghan civilian population hold the key to winning. Their intolerance for violence must reach a critical threshold to challenge al-Qaeda, which is something western forces can have very little influence over.

Finally, 'fighting guerrillas in one of the toughest battlegrounds on Earth'. Surely in the context of conflict the degree of toughness is subjective and relative to how familiar the opponent is with the same territory US Marines in Vietnamese jungle, Irish in desolate West Cork Hills.

# 15

It does seem that the idea of supporting Pakistan with 1.5 billion dollars a year over five years reflects the intent to bolster the normal civil population.

Downplayed facts include: the concern of the Pakistan military with the threat of India and the consequent support for the AQ as a counter force to Indian strength and the fact that nearly everyone is Pakistan is said to hate the USA.

Obviously these are diplomatic and civil challenges.

Hi Mark,

i believe that we either commit a further Brigade, or we shold withdraw.
we are not getting enough support from our European allies, a decision to give a date to our with draw would shake up those NATO members who are slacking.
As for the excuse that we don't having enough troops, why not call up a couple of Complete TA light Infantry Battaions and TA Light Gun Regiments.
At the moment, we are conducting a "Vietnam" operation, it's doomed to failure!

The point is missed: troops will not and cannot kill off the hostiles.

What is required is the the locals get the capability to have their own government.

This applies to both AF and PAK.

Unlike the Russians the English don't have a take off the gloves open forum for any topics so you make do with what the Brits have!

JERRY BRUCKHEIMER

SETTING THE PARAMETERS

Setting the parameters, there is nothing wrong with region that their going away to their perfect world while leaving the rest of those who do not want to take the ride along with them would not hurt in fact it would solve the population problem, and kick the can down the road so the remainder of mankind could make it just a few more decades. The Nuclear Genie is out of the bottle and the military will boys will be boys and sooner or later they have got to play with their toys. The Jews can not be blamed for starting the problem, just increasing it, which most likely started in Egypt with the Pharaoh that taught up RA the sun God the One True God, and the Jews, just amped it up. But, they are responsible for the three main problem religions; the Jews The First or Second, One True God and a Messiah, Then the Christians with the three in one theory and Jesus Christ, and last the Muslims with Allah and 12th Mahdi, their version of the Messiah and the grass is greener on the other side with all three religions. Now, all of them believe in Genocide of the other, but none believe in Suicide to get to the other side, which would make things a lot easier, a large Jerusalem Kool Aide Party, and the rest of us could deal with things on this side, get rid of the bodies, distribute the loot, use the entire Holy Land as filler materials for building projects around the globe, filling what is left with the waters of the Mediterranean Sea, creating a new coast line providing employment for decades. But, not a chance the wing-nut religions are hell bent for leather to take us all with them.

Ed Asner

Now, on (CSI/NY) Crime Screen Investigation / New York, Jerry Bruckheimer was able to get Ed Asner of Mary Tyler Moore fame along with many other well preformed roles to play the bad guy German Nazis, which seemed to smack of the Zionist Jewish view point. Now, that really was a little bit of a surprise as Ed has been a hard-core supporter of Shministim, the Jewish Voice for Peace, in Israel were they have been persecuted and are throw in jail on a daily basis, but a buck is a buck and getting your face back out there at his age, good for him, Ed is a great actor. At the end Ed said it right (We Should Have Killed Them All), not that genocide is looked upon by society as a good idea, it has more to say about the present. That sediment is being heard voice out loud now as it was in the rise of the Nazis Party, and the final solution, and the Jews plus the West have to take responsibility for it. Gen. Douglas Arthur McArthur, got it right in the East with the Japanese, but he was at his peak, hit them with Nuclear Weapons and won them with the velvet glove, only those in command of War Crimes in (POW) Prisoner of War Camps, and Japanese Work Camps were held responsible by death, the underlings were set home and the matter was concluded. Were as in the West it has been (65) Sixty-Five years of vindictiveness. Ed Asner, should at his age, know that and understand that this same type of vindictiveness upon the German people after The Great War, the War to End All War, World War I, led directly into World War II.

Jerry Bruckheimer

Jerry is a great producer, and his shows are nothing more the very best products on Television today. But, that being said, the (CSI/NY) Crime Scene Investigation/New York, is viewed by many of German Decent as a heavy handed hit piece, yet another Zionist Jewish act of vindictiveness aimed at the Germans not of the past but more for the present geo-political era. Point at what happened (65) Sixty-Five years ago to take their eye off of what happened in Gaza just months ago. Did Jerry accomplish his goal, Yes! With the exception of the German People, The German Democratic Republic, and those that can see thru propaganda when it smacks them in the face, and Jerry has at least brought mankind just a little closer to the Armageddon that the three wing-nut religions are trying to get to, if only the rest of us could throw them off the train, maybe we could get a few more miles down the way, before mankind run out of track, when the military boys start playing soldier, on the pre-emptive war, win theory.

#19 Delightful, Hercule!!

The Crisis Schedule

(April-tentative) Chrysler goes Bankrupt

(May 5th 2009) Cinco De Mayo, and another Amnesty program

(May 6th 2009)The provocative, international military exercise, just a few hundred kilometers from the Russian Federation border. Cooperative Longbow\Lancer.

(May 26th 2009) (GM) Government Motors deadline for bondholders, debt-for equity swap.

***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***HOT***

***(May tentative) Bomb-Bomb-Bomb Shi-ite, Persian Iran, meeting with the leader of Israel, (PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, and the current leader of the Likud party, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordanian King Abdullah II.

BOMB-BOMB-BOMB-IRAN

The Gathering

The leaders of Israel, (PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, and the current leader of the Likud party, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas will visit the White House in the near future, before Imperial Media Messiah President, leaves to visit Normandy, France, on (June 6th 2009), according to White House press spokes person, Robert Gibbs, after a meeting between the Imperial Media Messiah President, and Jordanian King Abdullah II, the gathering of the choir, to put on a choral recital, to achieve a comprehensive peace in the Middle East, based upon the Nethanyahu terms.

(PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu

Neither Netanyahu nor his principal military advisers would suggest a deadline for American progress on the Iran nuclear program, though one aide said pointedly that Israeli time lines are now drawn in months, (not years) These same military advisers said that they believe the defenses of Iran remain penetrable, and that Israel would not necessarily need American approval to launch an attack. (The problem is not military capability; the problem is whether you have the stomach, the political will, to take action). Netanyahu, is the head of a coalition comprised of ultra-nationalists not interested in a two state solution or the Palestinians right to an independent state, while violating basic human rights of the Palestinians, thru tactics of persecution, ghettoization and cultural and religious ostracism.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas

The Imperial Media Messiah President has proven to have no clothes saying one thing and doing another stating that, dialogue with ones enemy is true diplomacy, yet steadfastly refusing to meet Hamas, who comprise the democratically elected leaders of Palestine, in stead of Abbas, who is an American puppet.

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak

Egypt at one time controlled Gaza and the Sinai. They, too, do not welcome the Palestinians into their midst which is not any different than their attitude currently. Take a look at the wall that Egypt build on the Gaza border. They shoot any Palestinian who tried to sneak into Egypt. Egypt, no less than Israel, has made clear its discomfort with an Iranian proxy on its border. Furthermore, it sees Tehran threatening Cairos traditional leadership of the Arab world. The Persians are trying to devour the Arab states, said Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak at a meeting of the Egyptian ruling party. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, is more uncomfortable with another Islamic State supported by Shi-ite, Persian, Iran, to the point that the Egyptian President would not open Egyptian boarders to permit innocent civilian men, women and children to flee in the face of an Israeli Genocide, as War Crimes were being committed as (1,300) One-Thousand Three Hundred, and (7000) seven thousand were wounded, and (85%) eighty-five percent of an Islamic State was damaged or destroyed, to gain some sense of being an Islamic leader.

Jordan's King Abdullah II

Jordan, the British Palestinian a Mandate created national homeland partitioned state, of which (76%) Seventy-six percent and its major ethnic group is Palestinian, it is a Palestinian State, having a (98%) ninety-eight percent Arab population (48%) forty-eight percent of which is Palestinian. But, the unequalled champion of peace, Jordanian King Abdullah II allows, Palestinian refugee camps to still exist, and yet can the Palestinians find a homeland in Jordan, not according to King Abdullah II of Jordon. Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist, has testified to the artificiality of the argument many times in quotes such as these; why, is it that on (June 4th 1967), I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all of the sudden we had a Palestinian flag. And (PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu asserts that, if Shi-ite, Persian, Iran acquires nuclear weapons, The (AIE) Arab allies would drift into the orbit of Iran orbit. In the same manner King Hussein in many ways subordinated his country to Saddam Hussein when Saddam invaded Kuwait in (1990). Saddam seemed all-powerful, unchallenged by the (AIE), and until Kuwait was taken from the grip of Saddam, King Hussein was very much in the orbit of Iraq and the minute that changed, with the defeat of Saddam, King Hussein came back to the Western camp.

(June 1st 2009) Deadline date, (GM) Government Motors warned in a letter to bondholders that if the debt-for-equity swap failed to go through by June 1 it would expect to seek relief through the US bankruptcy code, and in such circumstances, (GM) , said bondholders might receive no consideration at all.

(June 6th 2009) the Imperial Media Messiah President of the (AIE) American Israeli Empire will be standing on the beach or Normandy France, my grandfather he, our boys they, our combined forces together, we share a common heritage, and common bond, yet another generation is being called upon, the speech will be well written and rehearsed, and powerfully delivered, but no matter what the wording no matter how slick the delivery, the bottom line its all nothing more than yet another sales pitch for something no one really wants yet another war, the soft pitch the soft sale, the heart sting sale, but still just a sales pitch.

(June-tentative) (GMC) General Motors Company, takes a (9) Nine week vacation, returning with (9.6%) Nine-Point-Six percent of work force, (22%) Twenty-two percent of plants, and (58%) Fifty-Eight Percent of Dealerships.

(July 4th 2009) The it is our duty to bring Freedom and Democracy to the world, blah, blah, blah, we need another War, More Money, More Time, More Troops, Mission Creep, We broke it is our duty to fix it, and on and on.

(August 20th 2009) Invest large sums of money into the (UK) United Kingdom elections to ensure, the election of Commonwealth politicians pro-American Israeli Empire policy, more (UK) troops to (Af-Pak) and anti-(EU) European Constitution Vote.

(August tentative)- Vacation

(August tentative) (GMC) goes Bankrupt

THE EMPIRE Vs THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

We are sure that any aggression against our citizens will be given a worthy reply. (Source: President Dmitry Medvedev, of the Russian Federation).

The Empire

The (AIE) American Israeli Empire was created by the (544) Imperial Court having been purchased by (AIPAC/AZC) American Israel Public Affairs Committee/American Zionist Council, a (100K) One-hundred membership neo-conservative Jewish lobbyists group who loyalty is first and always Israel, connected to various caucus members of influential members of the Empires pro-Israel lawmakers the traitors of the United States of America who sold out for places of power within the New World Order Government loyal only to themselves. The Empire is (COS) Chief of State Rahm Emanuel and (ACOS) Assistant Chief of State David Axelrod both, Mossad agents, pro-Israel party hacks and henchmen in a special place, to guarantee that the Empires Mid East policies will go where the (AIPAC/AZC) and Israel what it to go. The (AIPAC/AZC) has control of the policy process ending any serious public discussions, or ability too exercise independent judgment about matters of great importance to the Empire or it allies, through the exercise of a veto (pack the audience crucify him, crucify him), over the appointment of people who dispute the wisdom of its views, the substitution of (AIPAC/AZC) political correctness for analysis, and the exclusion of any and all options for decision other than those set by the (AIPAC/AZC), the dictation of the Empires foreign policies is squarely the venue of and will be set by the (AIPAC/AZC) Israel lobby. The (544) traitors were for sale, and the (AIPAC/AZC) who have no misplaced loyalty but loyalty only to Israel, made them an offer that was too good to refuse POWER IN THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Empire Vs Spheres of Influence

The World is now locked in a struggle of wills, and views of what the power structure of the global community will become entering deeper into the (21st) Century, an (AIE) American Israeli Empire of Hierchical Structure, with the (AIE) at the top of the pyramid with others states as vassal states answering to the (AIE). The Grand Game II, Cchessboard Game Theory, of (FSWD) Full Spectrum World Domination Doctrine of Zbigniew Brazezinski the Father of International Terrorism In support of the goals of the (AIE) American Israeli Empire, in its misuse of power, establishing the principle that The Ends Justify the Mean, Might Makes Right, that the Empire above all others has the right to use FORCE, against anyone who it ultimately thinks is going to be a threat to it to preserve access to (RESOURCES AND MARKETS), were international boarders and laws mean nothing and what goes on in your neighbors backyard, is your business and you have every right to interfere into the business of your neighbors, using what ever type and amount of force you need to use. That détente is appeasement and should never be tolerated, and the (UN) United Nations is nothing more than an international social club which is good only as a tool to achieve the goal of (AIE) American Israeli Empire.

The Hierarchical Structure

Mr. Leslie Gelb at the Chicago Council of Global Affairs, stated that the (AIE), is at the top of the world hierarchical structure of world power, and that the Imperial Media Messiah World President and (CEO), is the head of the World State, and made it clear time and time again in his presentation that he did not want the (AIE) to share power with any other country. And, that the world needed this type of hierarchical structure, creating a better behavioral and efficient structure, with the Imperial Media Messiah World President and (CEO), is the head of the World State, the one leader, with the rest following and working for the good of the group. The basic idea was for the (AIE) American Israeli Empire to be the manager state over the global economics of the world with the (NYSE) New York Stock Exchange the center of economic investments and trading with other world branch markets of the (NYSE), the (IMF) International Monetary Fund, and World Bank, made up of member countries representing around (90%) Ninety-Percent of global gross nation product, (80%) eighty per-cent of world trade and (66%) Sixty-Six Percent of the worlds population is based in the (AIE) with the entire monetary system based upon the (AIE) dollar. Along with providing the base world currency, center or economic trade, the (AIE) would be the World Police Officer, drawing on military assets, provided from member countries, with no restraint upon its authority, with over (300) Three-hundred military bases, located within (130) One-hundred-thirty countries scattered around the globe, financed by the (AIE) taxpayer, and every country that holds, treasury bonds, government securities, and short term treasury bills, at a cost of (1.14B) One-Point-Fourteen-Billion Euros per day to keep its military installations and personnel functioning not only at home, but abroad. The (AIE) would have Global Domination, as a benign Manager State.

Spheres of Influence

While the Spheres of Influence Theory, rejects the concept of the current (AIE), and stands against military adventures, that (NATO) The North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the (AIE) are engaged upon. The (AIE) is building a missile system surrounding the Russian Federation, and the establishment of an Empire Hierchical World Order Hierchical Structure, of totalitarian, and authoritanism, violating the sovereign rights of people to exist independently, without foreign troops within their territory. The (BRIC), Brazil, The Russian Federation, India, The Peoples Republic of China, the German & French Axis, and the British Commonwealth all are in fact spheres of influence, and they are in fact flexing their collective muscles geo-politically-economically-militarily, and by simply choosing to not recognize the reality shows naïveté at best. And this is the struggle now between as the leadership of the Spheres of Influence decide, are they heads of vassal states or sovereign states exercising influence within there geo-political, economic, social, and military, spheres, for the benefits of those within them, making pragmatic decisions based on their own long term development or slaves within the New (AIE) World Order.