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William Crawley | 13:55 UK time, Thursday, 15 February 2007

What's going on with the blog? I haven't been able to post a comment for days? Is there a problem? Other ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ blogs seem to be taking comments, but yours is still rejecting everything I write or damning it to a spam folder ...

It's been a turbulent few days for the blog. Apparently, the problems are spam-related, and I'm told that the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳'s Blog High Command is working hard to fix the software as soon as possible. One regular blogger suggested that I encourage you to keep posting your comments in the usual manner, then, he went on, "we'll get through this difficult phase together." Which makes it sound like we're in need of therapy. So, in addition to posting comments, please let's keep a sense of perspective here too!

I'm keen to publish a few contrasting responses to the Gene Robinson interview. What did you make of him? Did he impress you? Did his comments frustrate you? What impact did the interview have (if any) on your views on homosexuality and the debate within Anglicanism? If you'd like to add a paragraph with you comments, e-mail me at william.crawley@bbc.co.uk (use the subject heading: Gene Robinson) and I'll post your contribution on the main page. Also: please indicate in the e-mail if you'd prefer to remain anonymous, use a pseudonym, or have your name appended.

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Commenting on my own post! But at least I was able to leave a comment ...

  • 2.
  • At 10:06 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • wrote:

It works for me too.

  • 3.
  • At 11:39 PM on 15 Feb 2007,
  • Jen Erik wrote:

Now I don't know whether to e-mail or just try commenting.
The interview didn't change my views. I was sorry he didn't answer your question about how, if we read the Bible as a set of books from particular cultural and historical settings, Christians can establish which lifestyles are acceptable. He wouldn't have had time to say much, but I'd have been interested to hear a few of his thoughts on that.

The thing that shocked me was his revelation that he was an alcoholic. Hard to explain why shocked. It was the odd way the two issues were juxtaposed - his sexuality being discussed at length, and then the alcoholism mentioned so casually, almost as a minor inconvenience. I'm glad he's in recovery now, and I hope he manages to stay sober.

  • 4.
  • At 08:13 PM on 17 Feb 2007,
  • pb wrote:


I didnt see the Gene Robinson interview but I read a few of your previews.

I guess I always come away from your treatment of this subject feeling that the production objective was an unqualified plea for wholesale acceptance of "homosexuality".

Before some of the usual contributors go off the deep end, I have publicly defended a lesbian couple from public abuse and supported another who was discriminated against in buying a house.

I was the sole person in my workplace who stood up for a colleague undergoing longterm homophobic abuse.

For me homophobic abuse seems incongrous for a serious Christian; I think alcohol abuse and smoking are sinful but I don't treat such people as pariahs, just people.

But none of that excuses the demonising of anyone who dares to ask exactly what homosexuality is. The bible in Romans says it is lust based and Paul writes to believers in Corinth who had left the lifestyle behind.

Alfred Kinsey found a significant number of men lived homosexual lives for only three years; Peter Tatchell believes it is a choice and knows many gays who have gone straight? Where one identical twin is gay the other is most likely not to be.

All these points give serious credence to a biblical viewpoint on the matter which is normally ignored or violently demonized on your website.

I just dont think that is intellectually honest, and all the less so because it is a religion blog.

I read recently the American Psychiatric Assocation, the first such group to declassify homosexuality as a mental illness, also uphold the right of people to undergo reversion therapy, if they so desire. Are they bigots or is that true equality in sexuality?

It is too often assumed that a married man who leaves his family to live with another man was always gay, but these assumptions never seem to be tested.

Alfred Kinsey said sexuality was fluid throughout life, and according to wikipedia most experts still agree with him.

I also read in your previews that someone was going to suggest that bestiality may be acceptable in some circumstances.

As I have often predicted in your blog, rejection of moral absolutes tends to do that doesnt it. The current thinking among paedophile-sympathetic academics is that only adult revulsion to paedophila harms children - the sex itself doesnt, they say.

I say with no absolute anchor, Gene Robinson, a nice man without doubt, is the veritable blind leading the blind into the unknown.

People forging these paths always seem to acknowledge they have no idea where they are going. But from my understanding of history, sexual libertinism is always the sign of a society in serious decline.

A loving father always disciplines his children so why assume a heavenly Father will wink at every sin under the sun?

  • 5.
  • At 08:19 PM on 17 Feb 2007,
  • wrote:

Gene Robinson has thrown his stone into the waters of Church history which has flung the church into crisis with the selfish position he has taken, the ripples will be felt for a long time.

The historian Christopher Dawson (1889-1970) suggests that every era of church history starts with a crisis and ends with a crisis, at the core of each crisis is an attack by the enemy both from within the church and from outside the church, we are now living in the crisis of homosexuality.

This is evident today at the moral teachings of those who present a false perspective on the teachings of the Bible regarding homosexuality, ignoring the teaching of the Bible which teach against the immoral sexual behaviour of homosexuality which is propagated by so called gay Christians, either gay Christians are right in their philosophy and the theology of the Bible is wrong or the theology of the Bible is right and the philosophy of gay Christians is wrong both contradict the other both can’t be right according to biblical teaching, you either believe the Bible as a Christian or you disbelieve it as an unbeliever you can’t cherry pick to accommodate sinful desires that you which to live out in the flesh.

If gay Christians believe that they are right regarding homosexuality they are in their cause saying that fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, thieves the covetous, drunkards, revilers and swindlers are also right in their immoral behaviour also, which any Bible believer will tell you this is false teaching.

1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."


  • 6.
  • At 08:23 PM on 17 Feb 2007,
  • Helen Hays wrote:

I thought Bishop Robinson was sincere, thoughtful, intelligent, deeply spiritual and he should impress everyone with his genuineness. Those who are attacking him without ever having met him should watch this.

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