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The explanation is simple. Putting Senator Kennedy and the rest of his clan in a very bad light by telling the whole sordid truth about them goes against the religion of Irish national pride. Absolute Heresy. Never speak badly of the dead. This is not my first comment about Ted Kennedy to be deleted by ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳. They didn't like it when I said it even when he was still alive.

Why do I not believe one word Ted Kennedy said about the incident that made him infamous?



I think that without the political power and money of his family, he'd have been a convicted felon and not had the right to vote let alone run for United States Senator.

An unworthy American, my, my, whatever next?

The liturgy was a disgrace. Firstly you have to wonder at him getting a Catholic funeral in the first place, given his public and clear positions. But then to have to endure prayers of the faithful that were a sham of prayer, a list of "how great thou art" and then a series of eulogies, all of which are absolutely forbidden at Catholic funerals.

Hey Marcus--believe it or not, we are in total agreement on this one--although I do think that Ted's subsequent service in the Senate might have reduced his bad karma somewhat. He was, from all I have read, admired on both sides of the aisle. Just think, if it hadn't been for Chappaquiddick, he might well have been elected president, something I am sure you would have found most distressing.

Mccamleyc

"all of which are absolutely forbidden at Catholic funerals." Eh, no they arent.

Peter (4):

I think you will find that, in Marcus' pristine vision, most of the unworthy Americans are Democrats.
As for his reference to the Kennedy money, I've never witnessed an American presidential campaign in which big bucks have NOT played a crucial part, but I suppose it's more worthy to have acquired the dosh from dodgy Saudi Arabian oil deals and tax subsidised baseball parks than booze and bootlegging etc.

On the particular matter of Chappaquiddick, it is straight out of film noir. It always reminds me of the scene in Psycho where a car with a body in it is lifted out of a lake. I am not, I hasten to add, comparing Ted Kennedy to Norman Bates. After all, the latter was not burdened by guilt.

Wrong as always mcclinton. I've condemned Republicans more times than I can count. I think their worst offense was the relentless attempts to get rid of President Clinton starting with Whitewater, and then travel-gate, file-gate, and culminating in the impeachment over Clinton lying about having sex with Monica Lewinsky. If every man in America who lied under oath about having extramarital sex was imprisoned, the country would grind to a standstill. Ken Star's Star chamber investigation was mind boggling and holding that woman in prison until she agreed to tell the lies about Clinton under oath he wanted to hear was something right out of Europe's dark ages. All he lacked was the rack. I didn't vote in this last election because IMO none of the candidates in either major party were qualified to hold high office. I also condemned the Republicans when they shut the government down, I think it was right after Rabin's funeral, the followng January around 1995. Gingrich was angry because on the flight over to Israel, although he got to sit and talk with President Clinton which isn't customary, they didn't talk about what he wanted to talk about. I also condemned President Bush the first for not having finished the job in Iraq and President Bush the second for not having attacked the Taleban and al Qaeda for an entire month after 9-11 which gave their leaders more than enough time to escape to Pakistan. Also for outsourcing the fighting to the Northern Alliance whose fighting skills and loyalties were questionable. Also for failing to win a decisive victory in Iraq and not providing enough troops to secure the borders, for not carrying the fight to Syria and Iran where the insurgency was being fed from, and for waiting six months from the Fall of 2002 to March of 2003 for Britain to get its act together in the first place. That gave Saddam Hussein more than enough time to hide his WMDs very effectively...perhaps in Syria.

The only difference I can see between the Democrats and the Republicans is who their friends are that they shovel the taxpayers' money to. Americans are by nature suspicious of government and the people who run it. It's part of our history and become part of our culture. Government is the enemy and it is the last place Americans turn to for help preferring to rely on themselves and their neighbors, people they know and trust. In Europe it seems to me to be exactly the opposite. Trust the government, mistrust those who live around you. That is why there is no real democracy in Europe and never has been.

And every politician from North or South of our divide; catholic, protestant, methodist, presbyterian, baptist, mormon or anything else have never committed a wrong doing in any way shape or form???
' Let him without sin throw the first stone ...'

And in MarcusAureliusII case you are obviously pure in mind body and spirit and in deed!

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Again I broke the house rules. Thou shalt not besmirch the name of Kennedy. It's the 11th commandment here.

Romejellybean,

In 1989 the Vatican published the revised Order of Christian Funerals (OCF) for the United States. The long-standing prohibition of eulogies at Catholic funerals was again upheld and restated. "A brief homily based on the readings should always be given at the funeral liturgy, but never any kind of eulogy." [OCF # 141] In the revised General Instruction of the Roman Missal promulgated by John Paul II in year 2000 (GIRM 2000), this prohibition of eulogies was again restated: "At the Funeral Mass there should, as a rule, be a short homily, but never a eulogy of any kind."

Doesn't get much clearer than "never a eulogy of any kind".

MCC

Look at what the Vatican states about contraception. Nobody really pays any attention to that either.

Most Catholic funerals have both and break the "rules" on music, etc.. aswell.

And if you look at the Catholic funeral of almost any Head of State, politician, rock star etc.. they have numerous eulogies - all of them.

The "as a rule" is the important bit here. lol.

Many people pay attention to the Church's unbroken teaching on the evils of contraception - but even if no one did, it would still be true.

As for eulogies, the "as a rule" refers to the short homily, not the ban on eulogies. And you said they weren't forbidden so you were wrong. The fact they happen is obvious, but none of this takes away from the fact they are forbidden. Bishops and priests who allow them are breaking the laws of the Church.