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Eddie Mair | 09:12 UK time, Monday, 4 December 2006

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  1. At 09:29 AM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Okay, I see the Nock Clarke Memorial Bar has been moved, and I hear the camels on their way...

    Time to throw a towel on a lounger and start collecting coconuts so I can try a new recipe for kebabs later...

  2. At 09:38 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    Hello all. How is everyone this week?

  3. At 09:40 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Right, I'm setting up my lounger here.

    While the sky is blue in December (as I write this) it is much bluer on the Beach - and warm, to boot.

    Thank you again, Eddie, for giving us a place to which we can escape (NOTE to froggers: I was very careful in my grammar just then - don't want my wrist slapped!)

  4. At 10:44 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Molly wrote:

    Not usually early for anything but seem to be one of the first on the new beach.Feel a bit apprehensive at the prospect and hope I find my way....
    Everyone seems to be such good chums-have I missed some vital point on proceedure or do I just find my own way around?
    Help....
    ps looking forward to panto!

  5. At 10:53 AM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Anyone read this;

    yet?

    The pompous twerp suggests that Radio 4 should face a commercial challenger, because it is irretrievably lost in the past and isn't giving the modern audience what it wants.

    He goes on to list all the failing programmes, which includes ISIHAC (by implication since he names the 18:30 comedy half-hour amongst the pet hates).

    PM gets a back-handed compliment by being left out of the list of the named-and-shamed.

    Just off to a quite corner of the beach, where I can vent my spleen at a camel.

    Si.

  6. At 10:55 AM on 04 Dec 2006, valery p wrote:

    Such blessed relief to escape from the wind in December this morning. It'll take me a moment to feel comfy on the New Beach though, excuse me while I go for a wander and a forage. Does anyone fancy a scavenger hunt later on, I haven't done one of those for years.

  7. At 10:57 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    By the way, for anyone who's interested, I've also brought Sean Bean with me.

    At the moment, he's busy showing off his tattoos to the camels. They, for their part, are making a lot of funny noises.

    I always knew we shouldn't have ordered female camels.

  8. At 10:59 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Molly, Molly, don't be apprehensive! The Beach is all things to all (wo)men, and you're very very welcome.... It is your beach as much as anyone's.

    No procedure, really - but if you want a drink, or anything else, just help yourself. There is a bar (name for Nick Clarke - or Nock, as Fred's decided to call it today), and perfect weather. The only procedure, if it can be called that, is that regular froggers (that's PM Blogspeak for bloggers) hang out here and relax. And are friendly.

  9. At 11:00 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    No Molly, no special ritual - just pull up a lounger, open your favourite tipple and relax. I've got a great book everyone seems to want to borrow. Want to have a look? :-)

  10. At 11:07 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Fiona wrote:

    Good morning everyone,

    Hope you are all in fine form this lovely sparkly morning!

    Hello Jonnie - thanks for sharing Chris's reply. It was very kind of him to take the time and my son will be delighted to know Mr Mopple is on his way back soon. As for panto - I am round t'other side of M25 so will not make it, however I am taking my 2 little ones and daddy (who is an older daddy and at a times is like a cross between Victor Meldrew and Alf Garnett!!), to see Cbeebies Live at Wembley Arena! Daddy can't wait LOL!! As for the new Jackanory, sadly I have not seen it yet - unfortunately am still working full time for the next couple of months - but the trailers look superb and I sincerely hope it does succeed in dragging older kids away from their PSPs. My children are 4 and 2 so very much target market for Cbeebies. As for storytelling on there I think it is of a very high quality and very reasonable quantity. The quality of programmes on the channel in general is very good with a good balanced mixture of very informative and educational programmes - e.g. we loved the Cbeebies Spring and Autumn Watch programmes. As far as storytelling goes, programmes such as Story Makers and the bedtime story always get my two's attention when at times I struggle to and we love to snuggle up on the sofa and watch and listen together, its great "chill out" time! And of course, there is good old Mr Mopple!

    Anyway apologies for waffling on (particularly to the non-cbeebies folk here which is probably just about everyone!!), I just wanted to leave my thoughts. Right off to do some work, back later鈥..

  11. At 11:12 AM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Morning everybody - nice here - innit? Welcome Molly.

    Big Sis. Yep, you were probably right but it won't stop me continuing to question some posts. We already know that personation has happened and caused problems. I鈥檓 adopting LadySnorkPenMaiden鈥檚 as yet unpublished strapline, 鈥渃ontains moderate scepticism鈥 as my motto.

    Anyway, just to annoy a few people right now I am going to quickly attack a bundle of mail that I should of dealt with on Friday. Basically it is a simple enough task which I normally carry out on a daily basis and will do going forward. I can visibly see that a lot of it can be binned, so essentially not much of a chore. Apologies to any pedants I might of missed.

  12. At 11:14 AM on 04 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Molly (4) - just grab a lounger and help yourself to Sean Bean :-)

    There are no procedures, but if you want a bit of background, you could check out www.pmblog.co.uk. (If I was clever like some people - they know who they are - I could make that into a hyperlink but I'm not so I can't. Can somebody else, please?)

    xx
    LadyPen

  13. At 11:21 AM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Ap - If the book you are referring to is THAT book, I think you should get to know Molly a bit better before lending it - she might be a sensitive soul.

    Have you got the third volume?

  14. At 11:25 AM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Molly (4);
    Welcome to the beach. I'm not a regular visitor myself, although I pop up from time to time. I'll give you my take, others will have different opinions.

    Sometimes it is fairly quiet, but you can leave your footprints for others to find later on. Othertimes it is the home for a real party, with constant gossip, rumour, innuendo, chit-chat and so on.

    There is no direct answer to your question about finding your way. The beach is a moveable feast, literally. It will be renewed by our Lord and master Mr. Edward de Mair each Monday morning. This is because we have found in the past that when the number of posts exceeds about 600 the entire thing becomes unwieldy and unstable.

    If this were a forum (and it sort of is because we post responses to each other, not just to Eddie, hence our term for ourselves 'Froggers', a combination of forum and blogger) then the beach would be the off-topic area. It's a tropical location, no matter the time of year it's always warm and pleasant there. Sunrises and sunsets are spectacular and the evenings are balmy. It has a number of different locations; the Nick Clarke waterfornt bar; the smokers corner; Fido's Run for the dog-walkers; and others.

    Froggers often leave bottles / glasses of their favourite tipple on the bar for others to sample, not to mention big / small eats. For example last Thursday I left a bottle of Talisker and some crudites there, which were well received in some quarters.

    There is a herd of camels who frequent the sands, which froggers are very fond of. Lately a bunch of reindeer have showed up from who-knows-where. There are sun-loungers, so you can take it easy and catch some rays. Quite often the late-night attendees will have a barbie.

    It's a fun place, with only one real rule; Be nice to each other. To answer another point you raise; we are ALL chums here.

    The real debate happens on the other threads. The beach is a place for banter, whimsy, relaxation and friendship, where jarring comments are not particularly welcome. There are certain very mild protocols, which you tend to pick up as you go along. I broke one (unwittingly) last week when I tried to give the dog-walkers a different area of the beach beyond the rockpools. I was soon made to see the error of my ways when it was pointed out that Fido's Run already existed for them and a new alternative was unwelcome.

    Other than that, slip your shoes off, feel the sand between your toes, relax and enjoy. You'll find a selection of fine Bordeaux wines behind the bar today; a Chateau Ausone (St.-Emilion Grand Cru Classe A, 1982); a very nice dry white from the Graves; and a half-bottle of Chateau d'Yquem 1995 (I can't afford a whole bottle, sorry) for those who like sweet whites. Help yourself. I've left a selection of biscuits there too.

    This evening for anyone who fancies a 'Digestif' after supper I'll leave a bottle of Quinta de Vargellas 1987 port behind when I finish today. Together with some Roquefort and a pack of Bath Olivers.

    Si.

  15. At 11:31 AM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Welcome, Molly! The Nick Clarke bar is there for you to dip into whenever you feel like a wee sip of the vino collapso pronto (other alcoholic beverages are, of course, available). As LadySnorkPenMaiden has said, there's a good guide to the frog/blog at the link she provided. Apart from that, the only thing to say about the beach is "relax & enjoy yourself" :-)

    FFred

  16. At 11:38 AM on 04 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    BTW FFred (1) - am not sure about coconut kebabs. Won't they be a bit chewy? And however will you get the sticks through the shells?

    xx
    LadyPen

  17. At 11:56 AM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Simon: May I compliment you on your lovely intro to Molly? And, btw, sorry if my reference to Fido's Run on an earlier beach had sounded a bit stern. Not intended. Just that we like the dogs to enjoy themselves without gloves, poobags, and the like ....

    RJD: I know your motives were good. And it would have been v. worrying if EM had become another 'victim' of impersonation.... I'm rather hoping that the 'system' will be set up in such a way that this couldn't happen (but, of course, can't be sure). There's one way to find out ....

  18. At 11:57 AM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Ah, LadySnorkPenMaiden... The coconuts aren't for the barbeque themselves. I'm planning on making a marinade of coconut milk, orange peel, and coriander for some lamb kebabs...

  19. At 12:00 PM on 04 Dec 2006, valery p wrote:

    Lady SnorkPen - ROFL!

    Btw - hello Belinda, I'm fine this week - how are you? I promised myself I'd start to handle Christmas today and I've made ever such a good start - it's 12 noon and I've done nothing except delete Spam emails and catch up on the frogging...if I get stuck into Simon W's little collection, then I'm doomed.

    See y'all later.

  20. At 12:21 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Val P (17);
    I'm feeling generous today. Showed a couple their wedding pictures over the weekend, tears of joy from them and their family & friends. God I love my job!.... We were spoilt with a very unexpected but very tasty lunch by his parents, who hosted us for the afternoon.

    His Dad enjoyed the slideshow so much that as soon as it had finished he wanted the whole thing over again. He had to settle for a running show on his TV whilst everybody ate, then we popped the screen back up, fired up the projector and let him have it....

    Also celebrating, cautiously, because SO's Dad (aged 72) had major surgery on Friday morning and appears (touching wood) to have come through it alright. For which all who know him are most profoundly grateful.

    So please pour yourself a small one and sip it gently while you *delete* and *frog* away to your hearts content.

    Personally I have a glass of the Ausone with me. Amazing stuff.

    Si.

  21. At 12:40 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Fiona wrote:

    Hello Si - mind if I join you in your quiet corner? I too feel the need to vent...........I read the article you posted the link for, what a pompous twerp indeed! What do they know? I find the sterotyping of R4 listeners highly offensive - I do not consider myself in any way shape or form fuddy duddy, and as for change? Bring it on I say! As for the slating of 6.30pm comedy half hour - that is one of my favourite listens!! Anyway move over if you don't mind, hope the camel is a good listener.......... Oh and that's a splendid selection of wines you have brought along.

    Hello Molly and welcome as well, I am also not a very regular contributor but turn up from time to time. I do have to remind myself that I as I sit here at my desk in front of my screen, that I am actually contractually obliged to do various tasks during the day - and frogging isn't one of them! So back to it and catch up with you all later

    toodle pip!

  22. At 12:43 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJihnDo wrote:

    Big Sis - It's already been done by someone on December 3rd (ahem) thread - and no, not me.

  23. At 01:03 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    RJD

    No, I know it wasn't. It was me!

    Big Sis

  24. At 01:05 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Phew - so many threads to keep track of today. I think I'm just going to sit quietly under this tree and have a spot of lunch. Some lovely Gravad Lax I've treated myself to. More than enough to share.

  25. At 01:05 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Simon - (20) do you ever do the photo slideshow actually at the wedding? I've been at a few lately when the photographer has, & everyone has clustered round his computer to look at the pictures. I don't know why but I find that a tiny bit depressing. Though it's great to see the pics so soon, shouldn't they still be making merry & chatting & generally having a good time socialising rather than sitting round the computer - which a lot of them probably do all day already? Just a feeling. What is your view?

  26. At 01:22 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Stewart M wrote:

    I got beach balled when I tried to post earlier today. So trying again.

    I thought I might bring my Gas BBQ down, save us all having to hunt for drift wood. Okay it may not be as environmently friendly but you can just put it on when its needed. I can park it near the Bar. I also wondered if there is a way of running it from the hot air other areas of the blog produces :-o Perhaps I'm I but too naughty with that.

    Back in December I was on a real beach yesterday and it was great. Was there before the downpour. Its one of my favorite bits of beach. The Kids loved it. If you know the it you'll know why!

  27. At 01:23 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    I'm going to relax, now, with a big glass of cold orange juice. And Sean Bean ....
    /southyorkshire/content/articles/2006/12/01/sean_bean_on_football_heaven.shtml

    You're welcome to share!

  28. At 01:41 PM on 04 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Val P (6) you can tablets for that...... was it all the mince pies?

  29. At 01:50 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Hi all - re the (im)personating discussion on the other threads

    I think we are in danger of making too much of this. We've known for months that some personating was occurring. I don鈥檛 see how it is possible to stop it without making the blog very proscriptive and almost unworkable.

    I think it best that we let the subject drop and just be aware that the possibility always exists. I know that none of the regular froggers will want to deliberately cause problems for anyone else. It may be that the more we talk about it the more likely it is to happen.

  30. At 02:10 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Lissa, PM Blog Lifeguard wrote:

    Just popped down to the beach to check the water temperature. Lovely to see Sean B.

  31. At 02:22 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Hiya Lissa,

    So you like the Sharpe Blade too?

    The bar's well stocked, so do help yourself ...

  32. At 02:25 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Annasee (25);
    No, we don't. Emphatically. I whole-heartedly agree with your sentiments. The focus (pardon pun) of the day should be the couple and the celebration.

    Our philosophy flows from this thought. We want to create as little impact on the flow of the wedding day as possible, so that what we capture is the real deal, as-it-happened. We don't want to put our imprint on the proceedings by directing things, or causing them to happen.

    We work in a (by-and-large) flash-free journalistic kind of style. Sometimes called Reportage. It *can be* hit and miss. Between SO and self we'll pretty much always shoot between 1500 & 2000 images at an all-day wedding. And we always work as a pair.

    Around 15 - 20% of the images are no good for one reason or another, motion blur, lousy exposures etc. Another proportion will be double-shots, where we shoot two in quick succession as something happens and select the best one to show. We also get two different angles on the formal parts of the day, such as the ceremony or the speeches. So again we'll often choose the 'better' one (which for us means the one that best captures look, feel, emotion, buzz, not necessarily the one that is most technically correct!).

    We want the couple to be the first to see their pictures, not any wedding guest who happens to be passing.

    We aim to show the couple around 300 - 350 images at their viewing, as a slideshow set to music. We encourage them to get family & friends over so they can all enjoy the experience. It often ends up as being part of a whole lunch & afternoon session. The one on Saturday lasted four hours, although the show was only 32 minutes long for one run through. We take along a laptop, LCD projector and a portable cinescreen, so they see it BIG. Add suitable music to the mixture and tears are *almost* taken foregranted.

    Si.

    Sorry to bore those with no interest....

  33. At 02:49 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Si (32)
    How things have changed from the time when I made my own wedding dress, my sisters were bridesmaids and made theirs, my fifteen year old sister made and decorated the wedding cake and my brother-in-law (best man) took the photos.

    Wouldn't want to denigrate those who now spend thousands or put you out of work - but we had just as much fun!

    Mind you it did take brother-in-law nearly a year to get round to giving us the album with the photos in.

  34. At 02:58 PM on 04 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Lissa (30) - I hope SB was behaving. Apparently he was getting on rather well with the camels earlier . . .. Has he got something against reindeer?

    (Ooops. Just realised I may inadvertently have upped the smut content. I feel a disclaimer coming on . . . )

    Memo to self: I must stop doing that dots thingy.

    Re the pretending-to-be-somebody/thing-else ishoo: let's not get paranoid.

    I'm trying desperately not to say that other personality disorders are available :-)

    I was freaked when someone calling herself LadyP was mistaken for me, and the similarity in the names did cause some confusion (if only to me). Then there was (were?) eddie mair and Eddie Mair, which had a similar effect. I wouldn't want the Lord Mair's name to be taken (or used) by anyone who wasn't him, in the same way as I don't want mine to be. Even though I'm a her and maybe it's different for girls . . .

    Damn. Dots again.

    I've just finished listening to the Afternoon Play. It was v funny and not-at-all what that Times person still imagines afternoon plays to be. I think maybe the beach could become an afternoon play . . .

    xx
    LadyPen

    PS O lord. Now THERE's an idea . . .


  35. At 03:17 PM on 04 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Afternoon delight?

  36. At 03:33 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

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    Read by One Person
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    ed

  37. At 03:56 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    Hello valery p (19).

    I'm fine and enormously impressed that you are even thinking about getting a handle on Christmas. It still feels like October to me - a perennial problem. Typically my christmas spirit arrives on December 26th (It gets stuck in customs).

  38. At 03:57 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Big Sister

    Frisky? I mean really - frisky?
    Surely other adverbs must be available!

  39. At 04:11 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    RJD

    Yes, but I was trying to keep it polite ....

    C'mon, you're getting v. wound up today. Shall we take the dogs to Fido's Run or can I get you something from the bar?

    The Beach is for relaxing.

  40. At 04:26 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Big Sis

    Honestly not wound up - sorry if it sounded that way. I'm just trying to make mischief.

    A walk sounds great. I'll get the new tiny digital and we can listen to PM as we go.

  41. At 05:01 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    In case anyone want sto see it I've put the tribute for Nick Clarke (from last weeks Ariel magazine) up on the front page here :

    It's a pdf file and you will have to scroll up and down I'm afraid as it was a scan of an A3 page

  42. At 05:05 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    That was a great walk with Robbie. The dogs enjoyed the wavelets and the driftwood which had washed up from the last Beach ....


    Sean Bean could be seen in the distance, riding one of the camels. They're really nice to him - shows what a charmer he can be!

    I'm dying to find out what is Appy's book, but she keeps hiding the title whenever I peek.

    I'm going to pour myself a nice tall P**ms with all the fruity bits - I made a jug earlier and it's just at the right temperature. Anyone care to join me?

  43. At 05:40 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Hello, I'm back from Sheffield now. A really enjoyable drive there AND back, thanks to pleasant weather and less traffic than I was expecting.

    Alas, once there I was offered only tea and a biscuit, despite making a 200-mile round trip for a 1.5 hour meeting starting at 11! Still, they are lovely people and in fairness I didn't feel at all hungry till half an hour into the journey home.

    It is alleged that in this picture I look like an extra from Robin Hood.

    Oh, and on Sunday when I'm a pillion participant in a charity motorbike run delivering toys to sick kids in Grantham and Melton ... I will be dressed as Ms Christmas. Bought the kit yesterday.

    Hopefully some very daft pictures will be available in due course! Actually, the funniest thing will probably be my Ministry of Silly Walks method of mounting the bike. So, stand by for a link to embarrassing video footage as well, this time next week.

    Does anyone mind if I leave Daisy T Cat snoring gently on this deckchair? She won't wake up for ages, but when she does she may just need reminding where I've put her food dish.

    Over here, on a low shelf in a quiet corner at the back of the Nick Clarke Waterfront Bar, where RobbieDog can't reach.

    The dentally-beneficial dog treats are in a bowl on the floor underneath.

  44. At 05:54 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Sis,

    Thanks for the offer of Pimms, but There's still some Liffey water in the barrel, thanks to Brian.

    厂濒谩苍驳别
    ed

  45. At 06:02 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Jonnie, I have just been tempted back to your wonderful PMblogpage, via the Nick Clarke article - for which, many many thanks. I've wondered for years what he looked like.

    But aren't you worried that some visitors to the site may be disappointed to click on 'Fifi's Bits' ... and discover they are mostly not anatomical at all??

    ;o)

  46. At 07:44 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I've been wondering why my post didn't appear on this thread, then whilst flicking back over the blog I found RobbieJohnDo who guided me back here! I seem to have wandered off! Oh dear!

    Now where's that magic bottle of something RJD left me! I'm in serious need of something stiff!

    Thanks RJD!

    Mary

  47. At 07:54 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Frances O wrote:

    Eric, Lissa and my fellow Frogicans,

    Apologies if this has been sorted out already - just frogging on afer a tiring day. Mum's got a place to move on to from hospital, but no bed free there yet.

    Sigh.

    But enuff of that; this is the beach.

    What I'd like to know is: how to send in photos tomorrow (5th) - what format and how big - and how to convert. My camera's pix are jpegs. Now I reveal my ignorance and throw myself on the mercy of froggers.


  48. At 08:05 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Repeated post from the thread where I got lost!

    ***

    Ah! The Beach. Marinaded Lamb Kebabs? Lovely!
    I've hidden the pressies somewhere really interesting and I shall be very cross if any of you dig them up!
    I'm still waiting for wishlists from many of you. Also anyone got any ideas for a pressie for Eddie and Lissa?
    I'm off to dabble my sore feet in the water.
    Mary


    ***

    Mary (very slightly madder than normal)

  49. At 08:20 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Frances O. Eddie doesn't want people to send them in tomorrow. He just wants you to take the picture. He said tonight that he will give instructions later.

    jpegs are a common format for photos so don't worry about that.

    Mary

  50. At 08:29 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Not only do I get lost but some of my posts are getting lost.

    I'm going to lie down under the Christmas Tree for a while and take stock!

    Mary

  51. At 08:40 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Mary

    You posted three threads too early - I left a message for you

    RJD

    madmary
    You're lost. You've obviously had too hard a day in court. The beach is three threads forward or just clink on the link below.
    /blogs/pm/2006/12/this_weeks_beach_1.shtml
    I've left you a suprise magic bottle in the bar for your birthday. It's magic because if you say the name of the bottle that you want as you take off the wrapping, your desired bottle appears.
    Happy Birthday tomorrow.

  52. At 08:51 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD, I did post a thank you for bringing me back to the beach but that post got lost somewhere in the ether. If you see it, can you do your Knight in Shining Armour with it too!

    Thanks.

    Mary

  53. At 08:52 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Nature's Calendar on R4 Now.

    Enjoy
    ed

  54. At 08:55 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Mary

    You might have been lost but my posts are obviously taking the long way round!

  55. At 10:03 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Molly wrote:

    Hey-just read all your messages- what lovely froggers you all are! I think I shall like it here-I've always wanted somewhere nice to' chill out'without going too far away.
    Simon(48)-can I call you Si?-what a super welcome/info pack.Would it be useful for all new froggers?Thank you.
    I've left a packet of choccy biscuits at the bar-my cupboard is bare!Off to Tesco poste haste.
    Molly
    ps-Aperitif-your book-is it available for my book group to read?...

  56. At 10:11 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Oh I forgot to say Molly, welcome to the beach - very welcome with choccy biscuits!

    Mary

  57. At 10:19 PM on 04 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Molly

    I honestly don't think that Aperitif's book is ideal for group discussion unless your book group is very well established and all members very broad-minded and not averse to being challenged in a very direct way.

  58. At 10:19 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Mary (50), are you alright under that there tree? Want one of these lovely Irish coffees to soothe you while you're there? Very comforting...

    Molly (55), only if you keep it hush-hush! I think RobbieJohnDog has just finished the second in the series so I've left the third on the bar for him and you may have the first. RJD, you can pass no. 2 onto whosoever wants it. I'm of for a cold beach shower - part three was extra good!

  59. At 10:39 PM on 04 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Aperitif, I'm fine under the tree, so long as noone thinks I'm an early Christmas present. They'd be really disappointed if they did!

    The Irish Coffee sounds lovely, I think I'll drink it and nibble on this chocolate biccie that Molly has donated.

    Mary

  60. At 10:55 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Mary (59), I think you look rather fetching in all that giftwrap - early prezzy or not! ;-)

  61. At 11:21 PM on 04 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Night night all. Am off to the hammock between the palm trees .......

    ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

  62. At 11:33 PM on 04 Dec 2006, valery p wrote:

    I'm trying hard to think of something for your wish list mmary, something you can wrap up that is. The children complain every year when they ask me for ideas and I say I just want everyone to be happy. They make those nasty fingers down the throat faces....

    One year I asked for one of the frying pans that make stripes on your food, and my mother-in-law never let me forget how odd she thought that was! I'm easy pleased.

    I'll just have another glass of this garnacha, and give it some more thought.

  63. At 11:52 PM on 04 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Hi guys. What a day.

    Back in December, I dropped plates (hard, onto the floor) and frightened the children. And they STILL left empty Hula Hoops packets on my desk afterwards.

    Please may someone give me a hug?

    xx
    LadyPen

  64. At 12:04 AM on 05 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Ah LadyPen, one day you call me a dreadful flirt and the next day you're asking for a hug. Whats a guy to do?

  65. At 12:10 AM on 05 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Now now don't cry LadyPen have an Eccles cake - fresh from the oven! I made them to try and bribe my boss with (I want him to work sunday for me...) but your need is greater. Maybe it would go with one of the tipples from the bar, or failing that I have some M&S (other suppliers are available..) Cava ready chilled.

  66. At 12:16 AM on 05 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Memo to self: other people have LIVES :-)

    Night all.

    xx
    LadyPen

  67. At 01:25 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Hello Froglets,

    Again veryu busy here but will read through the blog comments in the morning.

    I have set up Ed Igleharts Poll Re: Trident on the Poll site,

    AND

    If anyone missed Eddie Mairs last minute explanation to 'Window on YOUR World you can hear it again by clicking on the banner -- all at:

    Oh and a few more funnies on Fifi's Bits


  68. At 08:33 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Happy birthday, Mary!

  69. At 08:43 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Thanks FF!

    Mary

  70. At 09:35 AM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Happy Birthday Mary! (again)

    Back in December, I've just posted a bit of a rant about female equality in the workplace (well, that was the driving motive of the posting ....) and have sounded rather grouchy. But I'm not feeling grouchy today, and am ready for a big glass of freshly squeezed orange juice.

    I'm working on an updated/expanded version of the Blog Guide, and if anyone wants anything included, can they post here on via the Book Club page? I'm also incorporating hyperlinks to make it easy to navigate around the page.

    Don't expect anything too fancy, though!

    Right, off to flush out Sean Bean and the camels (I think he may have spent playing football with one of them). Nice lad!

  71. At 10:12 AM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    "spent the night" I meant.

    And, just a note to Val P to say that I have the stuff re the Blog game (the expanded version) and have incorporated it into the Guide.

  72. At 11:16 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I'm not sure if this is exactly the right place but did anyone let out an exasperated noise when Margaret Beckett suggested we now had an "infinitely smaller" nuclear deterrent than we used to?

  73. At 11:18 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Sis,

    Make sure it has plaques!

    Happy Birthday again, Mary!

    xx
    ed

  74. At 11:32 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Where O where is Mrs Trellis?

    I brought my latest batch of sour cream, tortilla chips and homemade salsa specially, and there's nary a twin-set to be seen anywhere!

    Do I need to change my aftershave again??

    (Jonnie's friend James ... that was a JOKE!!!!)

    The lovely,

    Fifi xx

  75. At 11:45 AM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Yes, Ed, my version retained the plaques. They were removed by 'another' when being reformatted.

    Plaque removal: Isn't that what dentists do?

  76. At 11:50 AM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Happy Birthday, MadMary!!!!

    * hughughug* for LadyPen

    My Christmas wish list:
    - enforcement of the Highway Code, down to the smallest detail, with penalty points for infringements -- and that includes fines for cyclists and pedestrians (sorry Ed)
    - a party in the 'real' world, where we all turn up and have to guess who everyone is
    - a Shiraz pipeline directly into my house

    That'd do nicely, thanks. :o)

  77. At 12:32 PM on 05 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    wow, for the first time ever the blog has remembered me which is great. Sadly it remembered me with the extra q that slipped in last week sometime.

    Anyway here I am back late from Aberdeen. We should have come back on Sunday but the ferry was cancelled because of bad weather so we had to stay an extra night, must check travel insurance to see if we are covered. Normally the next ferry isn't until tonight, but the company put on an extra one yesterday although we weren't home until 2 this morning.

    Before I forget Happy Birthday Mary, and many more to come!

    Decided to catch up on blogs; started with the one my husband's cousin has been keeping during a long trip to their mutual Polish relations. Discovered she has made some very hurtful comments about my late father in law and also told some downright lies about him and am now both cross and upset. She has in the course of this blog taken various swipes at my husband's family, despite knowing that his two brothers and I all read it, well I skim it, and also despite the fact that she stayed with my mother in law in Devon for a week during the course of this trip.
    I can cope with that, but my father in law isn't here to defend himself and I am really uspet. I tried to comment but you have to register as a user which seems exceesive given that it's an australian blog host thing and all I want to do is post some factual corrections.
    So I have e-mailed the blog host company for suggestions as to what I can do. Now of course all the things I was going to zap through today - unpacking, correspondence, overseas christmas cards, I just can't concentrate on.
    I was going to write something horrible about Lucyna but I won't pollute the beach. If anyone has left over hugs they'd be welcome as would some of that white Graves (what good taste
    someone had to bring that over to the beach) if there's any of that left.
    Welcome Molly, hope you enjoy it here with us, we're very easy going, friendly and supportive.
    see y'all later, must go and try and do something constructive.

  78. At 12:42 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Depressed wrote:

    I often frog but I'm too depressed to join in today. Somebody cheer me up, please.

  79. At 12:58 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Stewart M wrote:

    Any one fancy a Mince Pie?

    I'll get an assortment of real and suet free.

    I'll also do a batch of rum butter to go with them.

    Can someone else get the cream?

  80. At 01:27 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Oh dear, Depressed, perhaps you need to play with this?

    /cbeebies/somethingspecial/games/xmas.shtml

    or even this:

    /cbeebies/balamory/archie/bighair.shtml

    and by popular request a repeat of this:

    /cbeebies/somethingspecial/songs/weather.shtml

    If these don't cheer you up, you'd better help yourself to a bottle from the bar!

  81. At 01:37 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Stewart M (currently 79);
    I hope that you've done the risk assessment on the provisions?

    High fat content in the cream. Alcohol in the rum butter. Animal products in the pies and nuts in the veggie ones.

    For further advice see;

    :-)

    admin annie (77);
    I have a bottle of it here for you. I put it by especially.

    Si.

  82. At 01:41 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Depressed wrote:

    Big Sister

    Thanks for the effort but that's just made it worse. I'm going for a lo n g s l o w mopey paddle.

  83. At 01:52 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Sara wrote:

    Happy happy birthday, MMary!

    Oh dear, Depressed (78). You sound like I often feel! So here's a big huuuuuuuuuug.

    It happens quite often that I've nothing much to say or I'm feeling a bit quiet, or I'm just too busy - but I love being able to skim through the conversations here and on the December threads to keep in touch with you all. I especially loved reading Si's thoughts about wedding photography. My two girls both got married 3 years ago, one in June and one in September - they have married fantastic young men who are now my own sons (though they do have lovely mums of their own as well). We had great photos but also a DVD made of each wedding which I love to watch and cry buckets just cos I can't believe there could ever be two more perfect days....

    Aaahhh! It's nice here in the sunshine. I've brought some shiraz along today but I'm afraid I haven't got a pipe long enough to reach Fifi's house, so come and have a slurp over here, Fi.

    My Christmas wish would be a magic pack of cigarettes which I could smoke without hurting anyone and no-one would complain. Don't tell Basil or Appy will get lured back into the argument.

    Forget that last wish anyway. I don't think you can get it at Argos.

  84. At 02:05 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Hello Everyone,

    Hugs and favourite cocktails to everyone who needs/wants them.

    I've had a horrible morning too - but the afternoon is looking up. Camera at the ready, just going for a paddle.

  85. At 02:17 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Sis,

    Jonnie's red link now goes to Anne's guide. The word link leads to the non-plaqued version of your history.... My plaqued version (of YOUR history) is .

    Confusion reigns. I don't know about Depressed, but I enjoyed the big hair...

    We await the new, improved official version of the historic frog.

    Lying in bed last night listening to the world service, I heard this, and thought of the beach...just listen. and see if it reminds y'all of anything.


    ed

  86. At 02:43 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Oh Appy, sorry to hear your day's not been good - til now!

    When you get back from your paddle, pour yourself a generous glass of 'whatever you fancy' from the bar. And r-e-l-a-x.

  87. At 02:59 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Sara (82),

    Don't worry, I for one will confine it to the approprite thread:

    /blogs/pm/2006/11/do_you_smoke.shtml

    and not discuss this on the beach.

  88. At 03:28 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Depressed:

    Did you do the games right? Didn't you enjoy watching the little animals shiver and shake in the snow? The elephant's ears blowing in the wind? The polar bear scrubbing up in the rain? The tiger sipping his drink?

    Oh my, you are really depressed, aren't you?

    C'mon gang - it's tickle time!!!

  89. At 03:29 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Stewart M wrote:

    Simon (81). I've done a sign. May be nuts here :-)
    Also Eat at own risk.

    The beach has a star for cleanliness and we have a life guard. Unless they have gone for a walk.

    (cough)
    I've just choked on a bit of pastry!

  90. At 03:39 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Sara wrote:

    Thanks, Appy - but I hope Basil doesn't come down here or else your link will have made it much too easy for him to argue on ...

    On the other hand, if he wants to come down here to chill, that's fine. I hope he's not one and the same as Depressed at (currently) 82, who is paddling too far out to sea for my liking! Is Piper anywhere around with a joke?

    I think I'll just go and play one of Big Sis's cbeebies games - I do love them. Very appropriate for someone of my intellectual maturity.

  91. At 03:48 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Depressed wrote:

    I don't tickle. Never have. I was miserable as a child too..

    Ah well.

  92. At 03:52 PM on 05 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    Simon W - you are a HERO, as well as a man of great taste.

    Thank you ssssooooooooo much. I will have a glass quietly and calmly then return to wrapping up Christmas presents.

    and after that I might even try some of Big Sis' game etc links.

    Just to avoid confusion I am not the 'depressed' who is posting, but to whoever is, mopey paddle sounds just about right. There are times when a mopey half hour on your own is all that will do it. And when you start feeling human again, we and the booze and the eats will all be waiting...

    AND I am mega cross to have missed Sean Bean yesterday. If others of his ilk are to be lured here could we please have a bit of notice so that we can make sure we get here in time. Please note this applies in spades to Mr J Depp.

  93. At 04:08 PM on 05 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Hey Depressed, you're making us all miserable.

    My prescription is - Take two of the following and if you don't feel better afterwards we''ll think of something else.

    ****

    A man is stranded on a desert island for 10 years.
    One day a beautiful girl swims to shore in a wetsuit.
    Man: "Hi! I am so happy to see you."
    Girl: "Hi! It seems like you've been here a long time. How long has it been since you've had a cigarette?"
    Man: "It's been 10 years!"
    With this information the girl unzips a slot on the arm of her wet suit and gives the man a cigarette.
    Man: "Thank you so much!"
    Girl: "So tell me how long has it been since you had a drink?"
    Man: "It's been 10 years!"
    The girl unzips another pocket on her wet suit and comes out with a flask of whiskey and gives the man a drink.
    Man: "Thank you so much. You are like a miracle!"
    Girl (starting to unzip the front of her wet suit): "So tell me then, how long has it been since you played around?"
    Man: "Oh, my God, don't tell me you've got a set of golf clubs in there, too

    ****

    Our ice cream man was found lying on the floor of his van covered with hundreds and thousands.
    Police say that he topped himself.

    ****

    The Pope, a schoolboy and George Bush are in a plane. Suddenly the pilot suffers a heart attack and the craft takes a nosedive. As the engines sputter, the three passengers try to stay calm.
    'Well,' says the Pope, 'we have established that none of us can land this baby, so we're going to have to jump for it.'
    'But there are only two parachutes,' says the boy, pointing to a pile of bundles by the exit.
    Without hesitating, Bush rushes over to them, takes one and shouts: 'I am the President of the United States of America. I am the world's most powerful leader. And apart from that, I am the most intelligent President in the history of my country. I have a responsibility to my people not to die.'
    With that, he leaps out of the plane.
    Now the Pope turns calmly to the schoolboy and says: 'I am already old. I have already lived my life as a good person and a priest. There is a place for me in heaven. I insist you take the last parachute.'
    'No need,' says the boy, 'The most intelligent President in the history of his country has taken my schoolbag...'

    ****

    Now smile! Better?

  94. At 04:23 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Good news ladies!

    Following the guest appearance of Mr. Bean on the beach yesterday, todays entertainment will be provided by Mr. Daniel Craig, who will re-enact the scene in Casino Royale where he walks out of the sea dripping wet with his torso on show.

    *Liverpool accent* Calm down, calm down, calm down.

    To really drive you into a frenzy we are trying to get Jeffrey Archer tomorrow (shurely shome mishtake?) and Kilroy-Silk on Thursday (Huh?). On Friday we end the week on a high note with the return of Stan Ogden and Eddie Yates (you're fired. Blog Ed.)

  95. At 05:09 PM on 05 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Simon

    I have contacts. (Touches nose knowingly)

    If we really want to excite the ladies, I'm sure I could persuade Bernard Manning to join us

  96. At 05:13 PM on 05 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    Simon, if you think any of that is 'good news for ladies' someone has been winding you up big time.

    Now please don't wake me up again until you have news of the forthcoming appearnace of at least three of the people on Appy's list - I can't remember where it was but it was quite long and will give you plenty of scope. I for one will forgive you if you can't rustle up one George Clooney.....

  97. At 05:25 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Sorry, Simon, it's Mr. Bean for me! DC is a fine ac-tor and, no doubt, stands well as a Bondman.

    Anyone who wants to play football (or any other games) with him will find him on the water's edge.

  98. At 05:32 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Now, now, Aperitif, Annie and Depressed, this won't do at all. We can't have people feeling unloved and depressed, here on the perfect beach!

    Although someone feeling Depressed might lower the tone rather nicely..... ;o)

    Look, I've stocked up on virtual *hugs* again. I seem to be quite good at these now so do help yourselves, until you feel better. They are on a cushion near the rock pools, shaded by a little palm tree.

    Then let us repair to the Nick Clarke Waterfront Bar where I believe the wonderful Sara has brought me some yummy Shiraz!

    Mrs Trellis has once more spurned my salsa (she must be making her own, and doesn't need me any more *sniffle!*) so there's plenty of chips n dips for everyone.

    Daisy T Cat wandered back from her deckchair just in time to be photographed in December for the 5pm photo.

  99. At 05:33 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Simon (94) thank you and I love you! (But obviously I will not be looking for the rest of the week...)

  100. At 05:52 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    hi I am cath chapman and I live in the country, I'm not even urban-literate, let alone net-literate. I've read some blogs from 4/12, read molly's blog, and simon worrell's reply, thank you very much. The beach is such a beautiful place, bought tears to my eyes! Just what we all need. I think it could feed my radio 4 addiction quite well. Have not yet discovered the dog-walkers patch, but as I am rather canine it might be for me?

  101. At 06:18 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    OK! I've finally found the beach! I've said it elsewhere but I really must say how lovely everyone has been with their "happy birthdays". I'm now having a nice glass of Soave - light refreshing and slips down a treat.

    Has anyone got any canapes? I love canapes!

    My Xmas list in coming on but some of you still need to write your letters to Santa. There are only 19 virtual shopping days to Christmas not including today.

    Mary

  102. At 06:23 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I hope Depressed is feeling a little more cheerful.

    I promised that I'd update you on Ed Igleharts PM Poll.

    Is renewing Trident a useful or necessary idea ?
    Must Have! [11.8%]

    We could do with a smaller deterrent but we still need Nukes [23.5%]

    Totally inappropriate in today's world [41.2%]

    We need an open debate before deciding [5.9%]

    A binding Referendum [0%]

    Absolutely preposterous idea [17.6%]

    17 people have voted so far. To vote go to:

  103. At 06:26 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Hi,

    I'm sure I frogged here earlier about how much I love Simon for the Daniel-Craig-coming-out-of-the-sea thing (despite the rest of the list) but it hasn't appeared. Anyway, a still of my favourite entrance ever can be found by clicking on this link:

    Silly, sexy and hilarious. Enjoy, ladies - and gentlemen of such persuasion - enjoy. But, when Vanessa is done with him, he's mine...

  104. At 06:31 PM on 05 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RobbieJohnDo : terrible joke, you sent me. I loved it!

    Don't forget folks, if you would like to subscribe to what Jonnie insists on calling 'Fifi's Bits' ... in other words, jokes by email ... you only need to contact me via the website by clicking on my name at the top of this email.

    My public service to bad taste!

    Fifi ;o)

  105. At 06:44 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Thanks for the hugs Fifi. This afternoon has been better than this morning. Going to a friend's house soon, so that should help. :-)

  106. At 07:22 PM on 05 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Ap

    Thanks for the clarification with your link.

    I couldn't understand the reason for the fascination that you and the other ladies have with Johnny.

    I had the wrong Johnny in my mind

  107. At 08:15 PM on 05 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Big Sis (97): Sorry, Simon, it's Mr. Bean for me!

    Mr Bean??!! Are you sure???! I never saw him as a sex symbol myself........

  108. At 08:34 PM on 05 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Big Sister (94)

    Mr Bean, Big Sis?
    Are you absolutely

  109. At 08:34 PM on 05 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    thank you for that link Appy; it cerrtainly beats Daniel Craig emerging from the sea, not that I have seen the CR film, not being a Bond fan. Am planning to send husband with son no 2 when it finally makes it this far north.

    ooh, Simon if you're having trouble tracking down Appy's list can I just say Nicholas Cage would be very welcome in some quarters...

  110. At 10:34 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Deranged wrote:

    is this working?

  111. At 10:53 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Evening All. Isn't it lovely that the pointless photo thing has brought so many new people to the blog. Welcome one and all - do stay and join in on a regular basis. (Might post this on the main thread too just to reinforce the point).

    But then I might not post anything again for some time, since I began reading admin annie's book club choice 'My Sister's Keeper' while I waited to donate blood this afternoon ( rather appropriate location as it turns out). I have been glued to it since after supper and must now go to bed as can no longer keep eyes open. May not get Christmas sorted until I've finished it though. Definitely to be recommended.

    Will just curl up in this hammock to get enough shut eye to be able to continue in the morning. Good thing tropical nights are shorter than December ones.

    Night all.

  112. At 11:03 PM on 05 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    RJD (108) oooh I wish I could do links like you!

    (I note Big Sis hasn't answered us... maybe it IS Mr Bean she loves after all!)

  113. At 11:27 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    RJD/Gossipmistress:

    This is MY Mr. Bean, after a brief tussle with the camels earlier today .....

  114. At 11:32 PM on 05 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Oh very funny RJD. I do know a young lady who has a crush on that Johnny actually. Strange but true.

    Admin Annie, you are quite welcome. Nicholas Cage eh? I can see it but there is something about him that reminds me of my (female) cousin and, lovely as she is, she just doesn't do it for me y'know? Otherwise he'd probably be further up my list. Johnny (especially as Jack Sparrow) and George C are always right at the top anyway. How about the following for inclusion? -
    Jimmy Nesbitt, only when he's Tommy Murphy though.
    Jack Davenport (improving with age).
    Anthony Head.
    Stephen Mackintosh (especially in Prime Suspect 5).
    Jimmy Mistry.
    - Just to be going on with. Many, many other thoughts are available...

  115. At 11:36 PM on 05 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Gossipmistress

    It has taken me three weeks to learn how to do links! But it is really easy when you know how. Anne's guide to the blog on Jonnies site gives all the details, but don't copy the quotes " " - use your own.

    It took over 2 hours from me writing that message until it appeared. And it then appears before posts that have been there for more than an hour. I don't really think I can be bothered with this any more.

  116. At 12:06 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    FUDDY DUDDY, how dare she, I am cool, hip and ever cutting myself on the edge. Been out all day catching the zeitgeist, but catching up now so excuse long post.

    adminannie (77) remember that mean people are just unhappy, and don't mind sharing it with you, the unhappiness I mean. Families do all have their own version of a narrative but why bother posting all that stuff on as public as space on a blog, knowing you would be reading it. I think they counted on your reading it, and would probably delete any comment you made, but a calm confrontation when they return and your anger has subsided? Gloves off mate!

    Frances O (47) there will be a bed, & glad you have somewhere for mum, nobody is allowed to let her go home if she can't. It will be ok, there is always a bed sooner than you think, & not only because someone dies! Well worth saying just in case you feel guilty about wishing for a bed. Some people do go home from care homes, some find another place would meet their needs better for all kinds of reasons; often medical, and some people just change homes; perhaps to be nearer family. It will happen, have faith. I have one piece of advice, which may be redundant, but I offer it because older adults who can fund themselves can find themselves more vulnerable than others, it is always worth including social services in the process. If you've found the home and are paying for it, they won't actually do anything for you, but their statutory protection is invaluable.

    Anne P (33) Lovely to read your post. I don't know about how anyone does a wedding and manages to make it add up to the average price of 拢25k, with or without Simon's photography! I'm not having photos, memories linger on without a prompt, and I only saw one set of wedding photos I liked, possibly because they were black and white and stunningly natural. More so than any kind of reportage I've seen on offer here, oh they were taken in Italy, which might have made a difference because the background was blissfully Tuscan.

    Simon (14) your guide is absolutely brilliant, and I only disagree with you on politics! Your offering this evening "for anyone who fancies a 'Digestif' after supper I'll leave a bottle of Quinta de Vargellas 1987 port behind when I finish today. Together with some Roquefort and a pack of Bath Olivers." is so utterly civilised that I am feeling a bit guilty for telling you off about your Magaret Beckett having a great face for radio comment... No idea where I posted that though, so perhaps it will be overlooked...

    Oh, I posted a link for my sneak preview under the Window on the World thread, I think we all should? I would love to see them all.

  117. At 12:08 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD don't go, please don't go, I'd miss you even if you were flirting with someone else! It is driving me nuts too, but Lissa is working on it... She won't want to lose loyal froggers. Failing that, give someone your email address so we can let you know when it reaches the speed expected of a 1 legged goat...

  118. At 12:13 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Aperitif & Admin Annie, Nic Cage was always surprisingly attractive until he married Lisa Marie Presley. Being a huge Elvis fan, what greater memorablia could he possess? I found that all a bit spooky.

  119. At 12:32 AM on 06 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    it occurs to me, and shoot me down in flames girls if I am on the wrong track here BUT, if Robbie and John and the other various male froggers started making lists of attractive women would we not shoot them down in flames and start muttering 'sexist'. I say this as a bit of an offender in the drooling over Sean Bean etc stakes, but are we not operating on a double standard here.

    Feel free to persuade me otherwise...

    Anne I am so glad you are enjoying the book. It is a bit of a page turner isn't it? I was a bit nervous going first but you reassure me that not all comments will be negative next Monday.

    Anyway off to bed, must try and get an early start on those overseas christmas cards tomorrow morning.

  120. At 01:46 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Re: Fifi and her bits -

    I'll rename it (but what should it be called) ?

    Ideas welcome ?

    Fifi's funnies perhaps ?

    In the morning I'll put up the sneak preview pics or Froggers faves - whatever!

    Very late again as you can see. Anne Charleston went to bed early but Bobby Crush stayed up well past bedtime. He was shocked to find out how much his autographs are going for on E-bay. I pretended not to notice but will scrounge as many new ones as I can :-)

    Dear gourgeous Brian Cant had his normal glass of red wine or two with the minions of his Panto and retreated around midnight.

    Now clearing up and to bed

    I hope you all made your views known to Ed I about Trident - I believe you can cast another vote now which makes it all rather pointless!

    Night x

  121. At 07:34 AM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Sparles(117)

    Sparles, I'd much rather that you sparkled again, so here's a "k" that you can borrow.

    And don't worry - admin annie (119) has given me an idea.

  122. At 09:11 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    admin annie (currently 119) I must admit, I'm surprised none of the other men have commented on the amount of drooling that the female members are doing at the moment! I think somewhere else (the christmas pressie wish list?) I expressed a view about a certain woman, and I'm surprised I wasn't flamed a bit...

  123. At 09:13 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    btw, morning all! Anyone want anything from the coffee shack down the beach?

  124. At 09:23 AM on 06 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Big Sis (113) he looks a bit like a grumpy camel himself in that photo!!

    RJD (115) thank you, I will have a try next time, I've only just mastered italics!

  125. At 09:24 AM on 06 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    RJD: Helen Spar- k - less, perhaps (hehe!)

    Admin Annie: I have a confession to make. I've just discovered that I shan't be around next week til Thursday, so won't be able to post my own comments on your book choice. As unofficial Club sec, I feel rather redfaced about this and, as I won't be near internet access til then, I'd ask you to remember that and perhaps flag it up if other froggers start making comments on that front.

    Sorry! The fault falls squarely with SO, I'm afraid, and his last minute arrangements.

    Cath Chapman: Lovely to meet you. I, too, am firmly rural (apart from the less firm bits!). The dog's have their own beach (Fido's Run) where they have the priority at all times. They are also welcome elsewhere on the beach, but human etiquette has to be observed.

    Right, guys, Sharpe Blade beckons ....

  126. At 09:46 AM on 06 Dec 2006, Fiona wrote:

    Morning all, just thought I'd pop down to the beach for some freshly squeezed orange juice and a warm croissant before getting stuck into some work (boo!).

    Well if no-one else wants him Mr DC can wander out of the sea and bring his dripping wet body over my way if he likes, i don't mind! And Admin Annie (119) - you are absolutely right, but hey, we are women!.......we are allowed to be fickle and contrary are we not!!!!!

    Mary - hope you enjoyed your Soave - polished off a rather nice bottle of the same myself last night (not all in one go I should add!)

    Right better go.... bye for now

  127. At 10:09 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Hi FFred! A pint-mug of decaff tea would be very nice. There's a Dunoon Pottery stoneware one on the bottom shelf, unless someone else got there first.

    Welcome, Deranged and Cath. I hope you will find this week's beach to your liking. Would you like to come with me for a quick paddle while the kettle heats up?

    Fifi "one letter away from a military coup"

  128. At 10:11 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD (95);
    Bernard Manning! We are not worthy, we are not worthy.....

    Appy (99);
    I love you too! Big hug...

    Cath C (100);
    Keep coming back, and thank you foor your very kind comment.

    Admin Annie (109);
    If you liked the Jason Bourne films then go see Casino Royale. This is a very different Bond. He can really act for a starter.

    HelenSparkles (with a 'k') (116);
    Thank you for even thinking that I might be civilised. You obviously don't know me too well....
    Quinta de Vargellas is simply the finest single vintage, single estate port generally available to the British public IMHO. Can be found at branches of T*sc*, price around 拢22. You'll find better, sure. But you'll pay a *lot* more for it too. Anyone who got sick of port after trying C*ckb*rns etc should give it a try. It's for sipping, not mixing or glopping down.
    Politics and Religion are not topics for this thread. Too divisive by half. Wasn't it Voltaire who supposedly said 'I disagree with what you say. But I will defend to the death your right to say it'? That's where I stand.

    Si.

  129. At 10:14 AM on 06 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Morning all,

    Ffred I'd love a croissant and marmalade to go with this cup of tea I'm carrying.

    But must be quick - I've already spent an hour buried in the book when I should be sewing up the Shetland jumper I've knitted elder son for Christmas.

  130. At 10:38 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I have indeed shot Simon down for saying Margaret Beckett has a good face for radio. Shall decease from all admiration of physical forms on the blog immediately. It was Daniel Craig who started it all though, emerging on our beach like that!

  131. At 10:51 AM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I treated myself to a bottle of Fleurie the other day, brought back memories I didn't know a bottle of wine could, it's lasted 2 days so far and there's a glass left in it if anyone would like to polish it off. I've had enough nostalgia!

  132. At 12:01 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Gossiplass,

    If you can do italics, a link is just the same.

    between a pair of <>, put the following:

    a href="/"

    (with the URL (link address) between the quotes)
    then your word or phrase, then

    /a

    between another pair of <>

    That's all there is to it.
    xx

  133. At 01:55 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Aperitif,

    If Nick Cage doesn't 'do it' for you, but would be 'further up' your list if he did, it must be a pretty long and inclusive list.

    xx
    ed

  134. At 02:03 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Siimon at al

    Simon, I looked up some of your wines and I'm afraid my budget would only allow me to enjoy them on a very occasional basis.

    However, I hope everyone will sample the case of M&S Champagne de St Gall Premier Cru that I have left behind the bar and join me in celebrating my daughter's 18th birhday today and the fact she passed her driving test, at the first attempt, this morning. Cheers.

  135. At 02:20 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    Hello all. How is everyone?

    Catching up:

    Madmary - Many belated birthday wishes. I hope that you had a lovely day.

    Depressed - I hope that you are feeling better, but if not: If you get to the stage when you are standing at the end of platform 1 of London Bridge station working out when the best time to jump will be, then please talk to someone first. Just to give you an entirely hypothetical example of course.

    Cath Chapman - welcome! I hope that you find sanctuary and nice people here. I did!

    Sexism: I am perfectly happy to talk about Daniel Craig's ass(ets), I am perfectly happy for other people to talk about other people's assets. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all, even if some people need contacts.

    Window on Your World: Enormous amount of fun and I took a picture of a dark sea. That will come out well, eh? It is amazing to see the amount of participants though, I hope that all involved are very proud of uniting the country for that split second.

  136. At 03:13 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Haven't had a chance to catch up properly but just had to do a quick response to Admin Annie at 119 (no flaming required):-

    No! Not at all! There is absolutely nothing wrong with men and women, gay or straight or bi, expressing their admiration for the appearance/personality/combination (and for me it is always the latter) of another human being. It's when appearnce/sex/gender is used as a weapon or a method of undermining (so linked to how well someone does their job, for instance) that it becomes inappropriate. Just saying that you find someone attractive is surely a compliment and I don't think anyone should be squeamish about it.

    I hope you're going to agree with me, but I know that even if you don't we won't fall out :-)

  137. At 03:22 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Ed (133),

    No, it's my cousin who doesn't do it for me. Nicholas Cage's resemblence to her (more mannerisms or something than actual looks, I'm not really sure, but anyway) thus pushes him further down the list than he might otherwise be.

    I admit my list is long and fluid.


    Simon, thanks for the hug. I needed that actually. This morning turned out to be nearly as stressful as yesterday morning, but much more constructive, so that and your hug have rendered me "better now".

    Someone hand me a spritzer?

  138. At 04:16 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    That's annoying - I posted something else (in respnose to Admin Annie at 119) before I posted that 134. It wasn't offensive in the slightest. Where can it have gone?

    I'll do it again in a bit...

    Roams off back to work grumbling

  139. At 04:21 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    Why is it that none of my messages from the last two days have got through the system at all, apart from one message where I compliment Eric and his merry people on doing such a great job with WOYW, which was posted within about 20 minutes?

    Sigh.

  140. At 04:40 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Ap

    I know how you feel. I put a case of champagne behind tha bar about 3 hours ago and that post hasn't appeared yet.

  141. At 04:45 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Belinda

    Looks like we both made it that time - mine took less than 8 minutes!

  142. At 05:26 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I bet I'm the only frogger who's been scrambling about on a muddy pile of toxic waste this afternoon.

    Pass that champers RobbieJD ... let's share a bottle between us. There are some lovely champagne flutes up on that high shelf.

    I've brought a tray of canapes that should go nicely with it, if anyone else would care to join?

    Aperitif, it sounds as if some light munching and quaffing and a bit of a giggle would top off your day nicely.

    Still no sign of Mrs Trellis though. * sniffle *

  143. At 05:39 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Are we to assume the focus is on hanging the gallery for WOTW, because there's nada in terms of other postings!

  144. At 05:46 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Where was I supposed to be writing about storytelling for Chris Jarvis anyone? Had some thoughts but no idea where to transmit them!

  145. At 05:49 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Well, my first beach post of the day has now appeared (at 134), rendering my 136 a bit of a nonsense! Gah!

    Yes please RJD and Feefs - champser at once!

  146. At 05:53 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    btw, sorry Fifi - hope you didn't mind the "Feefs" - it's the stress you know...

  147. At 05:57 PM on 06 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Champagne? Did someone say there was champagne? Ooooo yes please may I have some?

    Ed (132) thank you - it does look a bit unnecessarily complicated...but I will give it a try. All I need now is a decent link.

    Do you think Eric was doing the sign language along with the Vision On Gallery? That would have made a good photo. Did anyone look on the webcam?

  148. At 06:35 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Gossiplass,

    It's really easy as you will know when you 'get it'.
    Type:

    <a href="none">here's a neat link</a&gt

    And, when posted it'll look like this:

    And, following the link above will get you an error message, 'cause there ain't no linkety-poo!

    xx
    ed

  149. At 06:43 PM on 06 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    hi guys, yes please champers and canapes sound very good. Sorry to hear that you have had a second stressful morning Appy, is it something to do with the time of year - deadlines etc or just a one off. After two moans recently I feel I should report that I have had a nice day today and enjoyed myself. Just to prove that I'm not a miserable so and so all the time!
    If it is OK to swoon etc could we add Richard Armitage to the wish list - he plays Guy of Gisburne in the current ludicrous 成人论坛 Robin Hood series. Which would still be ludicrous if they had cast RA as Robin but it would have been better. Much better. In fact so much better that even thinking about it I need to go and have a little swim and cool down!!

  150. At 06:50 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Two posts gone completely AWOL but I'll try again. The champagne is to celebrate my daughter's 18th birthday today and the fact that she also passed her driving test today, at the first attempt. Cheers!

  151. At 06:57 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Chill, Aperitif, chill. I managed to follow what you were saying, and I'm completely sober!

    HelenSparkles, I think if you just post it here and direct Jonnie towards it (who knows Chris) it should work.

    Mmmm, this champagne is GOOD. RobbieJohnDo's brought a whole case. Would anyone care to join him, Appy and me?

    I have to be off later for a rehearsal. That's if our scatterbrained guitar player remembers to turn up. I didn't have time to text him a reminder during the day...

  152. At 07:15 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    OK. I give in and I don't care if I end up looking thick, but please explain:

    Fifi "one letter away from a military coup"

  153. At 07:49 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Oh, among my stress about posts/lack of them and about it being good to say people are attractive but bad to use Sex as a Weapon (channeling Pat Benetar there I think! Gosh, that takes me back...) I forgot that I meant to say something:

    I meant to say "Fifi (127) - LOL!"

    Thanks for reminding me RJD (you will kick yourself when you realise but try changing an f for a j...)

    Thank you for the champers and kind words folks. It's just one of those weeks and I'm probably feeling delicate/over-sensitive about things that really shouldn't matter. Deadline on Monday but it's pretty doable without any late nights so I dunno why I'm stressing really. Perhaps I've got SAD... Do you think I can get this beach on the NHS?

  154. At 07:51 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD say Happy Birthday to your daughter for me and congrats on the test!

    May I have some champers? And canapes?

    I've got a glass of Pouilly Fume left in my fridge from yesterday if anyone wants it? Lovely smokey white wine.

    I've spent ages and ages trying to catch up since early yesterday evening. I'm now exhausted.

    Mary

  155. At 07:54 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    marymary, thanks for your lovely comment on my blog, I wanted to pop into yours but it's members only and I have no idea how to do that. If it is any help, I stopped my spam by switching on word verification, in settings. That way anyone can comment, but no rubbish. Click on my stat counter to get yourself one as well, it is absolutely fascinating to find out where in the world people are dropping in from! Anyway, if you are going to be members only, tell me how, let me in!

  156. At 07:57 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD (currently @ 151) methinks that would be FIGI? SB 152!

    Our Johnnie knows everyone! Have to go now as friends coming round, but shall post storytelling thoughts on the beach another time.

  157. At 07:58 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Well see I can't even spell, I had you in some far off Figland RJD!

  158. At 08:43 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Ap

    OK - Jifi - still don't get it!

    And now Sparkles is talking in code as well - Figland?
    It's alright Ap, I did get it, about 10 bl**dy seconds after I sent that last post.

    Quiet here tonight. More champers?

  159. At 09:03 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Hi all,

    Any champers left?

    I've had slings and arrows of outrageous fortune against me in the past couple of weeks - in particular an outrageous MOT failure on my car, now stuck in the garage waiting for the replacement parts - I don't have the tools to do this one myself - as if it needed doing anyway. Huh! Would not surprise me if he failed it otherwise his stats would look too bad - a problem around here, where most cars are main dealer serviced.

    Enough of this, anyone for canapes?

  160. At 09:18 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Thank you Mary

    Help yourself to the champers. I've been back to your blog but I'm still having problems commenting - getting my names and passwords mixed up but I'm working on it.

    As it happens I was in court myself today - in a Lay Magistrate sort of way. I find it fascinating but I don't think that it is something that I could do full time. The delays, adjournments, etc. drive me mad as it is. I know that for the most part they are necessary to allow proper preparation and so on but I find a lot of the time that they are due to people not being properly prepared. I only do it for youth and family courts. They quite rightly don鈥檛 trust with the other stuff.

  161. At 09:30 PM on 06 Dec 2006, valery p wrote:

    Cheers to your daughter RJD, in fact double cheers - 18 eh? Concorde flew over me on my 18th (sheer co-incidence you understand).

    Mary, I tried to Happy Birthday you on your Blog yesterday, but it wouldn't let me on either, and I am registered with my own one? Don't know what's going on there.

  162. At 09:41 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Adam Naylor wrote:

    Ello,

    I've been stupidly busy at work for the last few days moving clients to servers in Japan and eating pizza. Bit sick of it now.

    Is the BBQ still running? A nice venison steak would go down a treat! Preferably with a pint or so of Talisker if we have any left.

  163. At 10:08 PM on 06 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Re my blog I've changed it yet again from members only which I realise now was a BIG mistake as I would have to grant permissions and I can't do that.

    Can folk try again, and if that doesn't work I'll go back to the anyone is allowed to post thing.

    I've made a mistake with today's posting but as I'm really really tired having had a long day at court (again) I can't be bothered to change it.

    It's tricky doing a blog with a job like mine where everything I do is mainly confidential. I can talk about stuff which is in the public domain but there are fine lines.

    Anyway, I'm so bushed I'm off to bed with my Girl Annual from the 1950's. My husband bought be a reproduction for my birthday and it's absolutely brilliant. It has "pin up" photos of people such as Pete Murray, Donald Sinden, Humphrey Littleton!!!!! Johnny Depp, et al eat your hearts out. So I'm off to read the comic strip story of "Angela Air Hostess" and Vicky and Vengence of the Incas". What ho!

    Mary

    PS thanks for champagne and canapes, just the job!

  164. At 10:59 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    oh yes, RJD - also forgot to say "Happy 18th to your daughter", who will always be your baby, no doubt as I, somewhat older than 18, am to my Daddy.

    I'm very forgetful today!

    Welcome back Adam!

  165. At 11:15 PM on 06 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Ooof. Sounds like lots of people having stressful times at the moment. Hugs all round.

    I'm sharing my lounger with that Scottish man who's currently presenting 'Coast' on 成人论坛2 (other Scottish men and TV channels are, obviously, available). He looks wonderful, except when the wind's in his face.

    Irish men are available too, RJohnD. Lest you feel left out :-)

    I spose it's a bit quiet this evening because everyone's checking out the photos.

    RJohnD - do you fancy collaborating on an afternoon play? Fifi has my email address if you think that might be fun. I was listening this morning to the Woman's Hour drama slot at 10.45 am - this week's are focussing on internetmail relationships - and thought of you. In a writing capacity (other capacities etc). Just a thought.

    xx
    LadyPen

  166. At 11:30 PM on 06 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    OK then Ed (148) - as you are determined to teach me this:


    Admin Annie! I need to practise doing a link, so hopefully click and there's a treat for you!

    And if this works I will leave a barrel out for you Ed, of whatever you request, under the third palm tree on the right! GMX

  167. At 11:32 PM on 06 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Is this very slow and very selective?

    I've posted about 8 times today and reckon 4 of them have got through.

    Anybody else having the same problems?

  168. At 11:48 PM on 06 Dec 2006, Stewart M wrote:

    madmary (183)ish.
    Has humph aged much then?

    I'm off to mornington crescent.

    btw. Bottle of rum open. Just putting some in my hot chocolate. looking for a decent port next

  169. At 12:14 AM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    LadyPen

    If you think that there was ever a chance that I would not be interested then . . .

    Gosh those dots are catching!

    You really really have no idea how much your post has cheered me up!

    If you are asking - "Do I fancy? . . . . (those dots again) Then the answer is YES

    What's next? Do I email Fifi?

  170. At 12:20 AM on 07 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    Yes (RJohnDo 166).

    xx
    LadyPen

    PS I've looked at the pics and they're wonderful. Am astonished at the variety and what could be done with them all. Gosh - what a brilliant idea.

  171. At 12:34 AM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Oh Gossipmistress. Am I am impressed?

    I think admin annie will love that!

  172. At 12:36 AM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Congrats to the achieving daughter, RJD!

    Congrats to Gossipmistress! Thanks for the brew, and anyone who wants to share, help yourselves.

    Posting delays can be explained easier than inconsistent 'moderation'.
    Grrrr (brief),
    but , and to all a goodnight
    xx
    ed

  173. At 12:45 AM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Ok LadyPen I'll start in the morning via Fifi

    I agree about the pics. Somebody on the blog said that the pics brought tears to their eyes, and I must agree that I found the first two sets that I have looked at to be very moving in a way that I just can't explain.

    xx
    RJohnDo

  174. At 01:28 AM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    LadyPen & RJD, keep us abreast of your progress? There is nothing clandestine about being a frogger!

  175. At 02:27 AM on 07 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    HelenSparkles (174) . . . of course:-)

    xx
    LadyPen

  176. At 06:45 AM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Morning all :-) I've just got enough time for a quick stroll along the shore before I go back to december for a work trip. I've re-stocked the coffee & nibbles inthe coffeeshack. Dig in, folks...

  177. At 07:16 AM on 07 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    WoW!!!! It worked! Thank you Ed, and Robbie...please help yourselves to a snifter from the barrel, if the camels haven't snaffled it overnight.


    RJD & LadyPen will your play be set on a cyber beach??

  178. At 09:42 AM on 07 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Morning all,
    Thanks for the coffee and nibbles Ffred. Just wandering along the shoreline for a bit of inspiration before getting properly down to work.
    Don't know how we'll ever find time to work through all the wonderful 5pm pics. It's taking me all my time just to keep up with the blog at the moment.

    Busy week - went to an interesting lecture on the 'Voyage to Venus' (latest Venus probe) by Prof Fred Taylor last night, heard Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari speak on Monday, 'Christmas Carol' at Derby Playhouse tonight and a chamber music concert on Friday. Considering I usually lead a rather quiet life it positively amounts to dissipation.

    Catch you all later - hugs all round. Oh and congratulations to daughter on the driving test, RobbieJD

  179. At 09:55 AM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Book Club alert:

    (1) Don't forget to post any comments on Eddie's first posting on Monday, 11th December. Books currently being read are:
    (Nostalgia) The Magic Faraway Tree by Enid Blyton
    (Grown up stuff) My Sister's Keeper by Jodi Picoult.

    If you want to add to the fun by not revealing which book you are commenting on, I'm sure there will be no objection/

    (2) FYI - Unfortunately, I'm out of circulation over the weekend and into next week. I'm sure there'll be lots for me to catch up on when I get back to base a week today (I'm still around today and much of tomorrow). But I know I don't need to be here for it all to happen.

    (3) But I realise some of you will want to get started on another read. No clear consensus has come through on the suggestions made to date, so may I put forward the following:

    (Nostalgia) Down with Skool - or any other Molesworth book, if you can't get hold of that one. And there's a great link if you're not familiar with the lad

    which will give you a flavour of the books.

    (Grown up stuff) Morse has been nominated by two people, and as Christmas is coming - and people's time therefore perhaps limited, etc. etc. - it would seem a good idea to have something 'light' like that, if you're happy with it. I suggest The Way through the Woods, chosen at random.

    Alternatively, might I throw up an idea for consideration? How about A Christmas Carol by Dickens - I traditionally read this for many years in the run up to Christmas and found it very thought provoking as well and entertaining.

    In view of Xmas, etc., I also suggest we have until December 31st to read this time.

    Perhaps I could get some responses from you guys by midday tommorrow (Friday) and I'll post up here and on Jonnie's website.

    Thanks

    Big Sis x

  180. At 09:58 AM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD (134);
    that's why there was only a bottle of each there :-) I'll certainly join you in a glass of that excellent fizz and toast your daughter's 18th & her success. Mind you, all the best drivers pass at the third attempt!

    Stewart M (168);
    Decent port? I refer you to my earlier comment (14), check out the bit at the bottom of that post. You might find ther's still a small glass left in the bottle.

    I noticed the posting delay yesterday. One of mine took nearly four hours to show up. Must have the pre-moderators sticking pictures up in the gallery instead of checking out the posts here.

    Is there any value in having a 'Sticky' post on each edition of the blog? One or two froggers have been kind enough to comment favourably on my post (14) helping Molly to understand the nature of the beach. It's not perfect, although it may be on the right line. Should we have something like this as the first post at every beach, so that new bathers can get a feel for the place? Comments please.

    Si.

  181. At 10:38 AM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    My daughter's thanks for all your messages.

    Ap - Yes, she will - as will her sister (20).

  182. At 10:50 AM on 07 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Slow posting again today I see.

    I have been having intermittent problems with timeout getting to bbc.co.uk. Not sure if this is at the beeb's end or something to do with my ISP (normally reliable).

    Anyone else having the same problem?

  183. At 11:20 AM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Just in case the bloggage completely scuppers things .....

    A DISCLAIMER FROM BIG SIS
    I have posted about the Book Club. I'm out of circulation from tomorrow (Friday) midday. If my postings don't get through in time for people to comment as I've asked, it's not my fault.

    Whilst I LOVE the WoyW idea, I am now v. worried that it is causing chaos on the PM Blog which could cause it all to unravel ...

  184. At 11:30 AM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Si

    I thought your intro to Molly was perfect. If we could organise something along the lines that you describe I think it would be a great idea.

    Could we get it automatically posted as the first item? How? Who?

  185. At 11:39 AM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    I'm with you, Si. And also feeling stoooopid again now that the bloggage seems to be starting to shift.

    Ah well.

  186. At 12:07 PM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Anne P

    I don't think it is your ISP - I have encountered the same.

    Postings range from super fast, like my last one at 11:30, through super slow to disappearing into the ether altogether like my first this morning passing on my daughter's thanks for all your messages.

    This posting will now of course either disappear or my first one will appear and render all this meaningless!

  187. At 12:31 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Molly wrote:

    I keep losing my effortss to get to you all today-gremlins my end,no doubt,so if you receive a surfeit of .'Mollies',sorry,sorry,sorry!
    Do think that Simon's help,as I said earlier,would be encouraging for new froggies-can be quite intimidating to caste the first or even second blog amidst such clever froggies,which you are!
    Will just have time to dip my toes and have a nice cool drink before tackling a huge pile of marking.
    Molly
    ps who finished the Bath Olivers?

  188. At 01:08 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD (currently 183);
    Somehow we would need to find a suitable form of words that gets the whole feeling of the beach across, then ask Eddie (?) to post it immediately he opens the new beach every Monday morning.

    It's got to explain the 'geography' (Nick Clarke waterfront bar, Fido's Run, etc.) and the ephemera, such as the camels and the reindeer (has anyone seen them recently?) and the goings on, like the free snifters on offer between froggers. And why it exists at all.

    There's much more that could be added. I believe that format and content need to come from the froggers.

    Si.

  189. At 01:25 PM on 07 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Simon (188) How about someone doing a map of the beach for PM Blog extra?

  190. At 01:45 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Big Sis (184) unless everyone is asleep I think you may have been a tad optimistic.

    However, I am enjoying the 5pm pics so much I have resolved not to moan about bloggages (well not today anyway).

    Wonder how long it will take for this to appear? trouble is I can't afford the time to keep checking.

    Had meant to check on the allotment today but the weather has beaten me to it so will just have to hope that the gales and rain are not doing too much damage.

    I heard, from elsewhere, of impending flooding in Shrewsbury - how is it with you?

  191. At 02:07 PM on 07 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:


    gossip mistress - I shall love you forever or at least long enough to bring you some Charbonnier and Walker champagne truffles, which are just for you. After doing my MA thesis on Elizabeth Gaskell I just couldn't watch the Beeb's North and South - well I saw the first 20 minutes of ep 1(saw how awful it was and couldn't bear any more) and the last 20 minutes of final ep (because I am an incurable romantic) but RA does look good in that get up.

    I am busy busy busy with Christmas stuff at the moment so can't stay long, but congrats through clenched teeth to your daughter Robbie as I have yet to pass my test, gave up trying years ago, so I am v impressed. And oh to be 18 again.

    Book Club - I'm happy to go with the Morse, as I think I had given up on him before The Way Through The Woods came out. And an excuse to buy Molesworth again, goody goody.

    Off to DO stuff, hope I can catch up with you all a bit later.Must just bookmark that link before I go though...

  192. At 02:22 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    gm (189);
    Sounds great! Oh, you're pointing the finger at me, aren't you?

    I'll take it on, if no-one else wants the job. But I'm woefully short on the computer resources needed for the task. Nor am I a particularly good artist.

    The only other point worth mentioning as I make a futile bid for freedom is that I'm not entirely sure what areas there are on the beach, as witness when I upset BigSis by trying to create a separate area for the dog-walkers, only to be reminded of Fido's Run.....

    Si.

  193. At 02:28 PM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    With true stories like who needs to invent spoof ones?

  194. At 02:36 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Simon, a sticky? You are so knowledgeable about these things. Your welcome was great & a perfect introduction to the beach.

    I don't know how long folk were here before I showed up, and just demanded to be told what the beach was, and how to get there! I was made v.welcome immediately, & when I didn't post that night, RJD even checked that I hadn't got lost on the way.

    I know many are wittier than I, obviously I am very clever :-), but I guess some people are a little shyer, or just a bit more polite. It would be nice to think that nobody would be intimidated but are free to join our whimsy.

  195. At 02:40 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Still no sign of Mrs Trellis - is North Wales under water?

  196. At 02:50 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    admin annie (191) don't give up, unless you want to anyway. I moved to rural Leicestershire, having never driven in London, thinking that when people told me there wasn't a bus service here it was because they were car drivers. They were but there really wasn't. I was the 'wrong' side of 35, didn't take to it naturally, and I just decided not to be in a hurry. It took me 18 months before I was ready to take the test but I did pass first time. It was a liberation, but only because I live where I live, and though I wish to encourage, I wouldn't have bothered if I hadn't needed to.

    BTW I don't want to be 18 again, but I am sure RDJ's daughter is happier than I was! I am always so impressed with the teenagers I meet now.

  197. At 04:13 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Before you get too carried away with the Guide to the Beach, I should point out that a lot of the stuff is on Jonnie's site under the Blog Guide. I've been doing a bit of updating, but not on the Beach bit, so if you want to hijack that and expand, Si, I have not problem with it.

    Admin Annie: Thanks for the feedback re the book suggestions. Morse was suggested by two other 'clubbers', and as there's no consensus otherwise, I thought it appropriate to suggest one at random. That will give me a bit of breathing space to try to work out a strategy to suggest for future selections. Molesworth, as we know, has come up a few times ...

    And Silver Fox on the current thread has made a cryptic point re A Christmas Carol, so I suggest that anyone who would like to take it up does so - as a special 'seasonal' selection.

    I'll find time between now and tomorrow midday to update the Book Club page chez jonnie's.

  198. At 04:28 PM on 07 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Simon (192) I'm sure you could do a great job...or we could ask one of the many artistic types who frequent the beach, like Steve. If you do do the map, don't forget the hidden treasure!


    Admin Annie - glad you liked the link, I'm SOO looking forward to the truffles. Might have to crack open the champagne after work to go with them....7ish if anyone wants to share!

  199. At 04:31 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Frustrated Frogger 7 wrote:

    I have decided I cannot do without you, lost frogs notwithstanding. However I feel I ought to change my name.... start afresh as it were. Any suggestions.
    Something redolent with femininanity (to quote Jenni Murray), yet making it apparent to the Australian moderator that I'm glad to see us being beaten and love being woken to the sound of falling wickets. Something that indicates an aspiration to drink the sort of wine Simon indulges in... and yet can still drape round the beach in well tanned grace- hardly ever falling off the sun lounger to loud guffaws....
    Now what sort of frogonym covers that?

  200. At 05:07 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Sara wrote:

    Hi - just popped by the beach before wending my long way home and putting my feet up with something pleasantly liquid. Hope you are all well.

    The pmblog. co.uk website really is brilliant and explains so much - I wonder if Eddie and co can be persuaded to put a little link on this blog so people can find it - maybe at the beginning of each new beach.

    Time is a precious commodity just now - not enough of it! btw I was in Shrewsbury last night and it was fine except for the car park. My mother overlooks the river near the English bridge and the water is pretty high - over the walkway on the town side - but she is on the first floor so we can always send out a boat if need be!

    I've brought a nice carton of refreshing chilled Colombard Chardonnary which I will leave with you all - just the thing for a hot summer's day. Lol.

  201. At 05:18 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Dr. H

    I posted on the same one as you earlier with the Flywheel info, though it isn't showing yet.

  202. At 05:43 PM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Frustrated Frogger 7

    I understand the Frustrated Frogger bit but where does the 7 come from?

    No matter. I think you have already picked your name - it has to be Femininanity

    Or failing that Miss G'day Oenophile

  203. At 06:07 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    To Dr. Hackenbush from Big Shyster:

    Dr. H (as promised): They're all from the third series (somehow I missed out on the first two)
    I've definitely got Flywheel at Christmas, the Laughing Hyena, Coney Island Fair, Tour Bus, Chicago Clarion, and another involving the Shakespearean Rep Co. (don't know how it fits into the naming thingey). I may have the other one from the series somewhere or it may be that it was missed out.
    Let me know via the Book Club comment box on Jonnie's site, if you want to discuss.
    BigX from Big Sis

  204. At 06:09 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Maybe we could just ask Eddie to post a link to the explanation on the Xtra site then?

  205. At 06:24 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Lissa, PM Blog Beach Bar Tender wrote:

    Sorry to talk boring shop when on the beach but thought it's the best place to pass a message from the Blog Wizard, Richard, on to you...he says he's working on a technical solution to the Eddie imposter issue but it's going to take him a while to sort out and he's terribly busy. Meanwhile he suggests you "police" the bogus commenters by hitting the 'complain about this comment' link. The moderators will then look at each of these and remove the comment if the complaint is upheld.

    Have fun in the sun. L

  206. At 06:57 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Lissa, PM Blog Plasterer wrote:

    I risk being thrown off the beach for never having fun, but RobbieJohnDo PLEASE stay with us...Helen Sparkle's right - we're trying terribly hard to get this all to run as smoothly as possible. L

  207. At 06:57 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Frustrated Frogger 7 wrote:

    RJD
    7 - seems to be the number of complaints re lost frogs since I last whinged..
    I don' really relish having feminanity and I can't spell, never mind pronounce the other!
    erm...It would be easier if they just got it working as it used to, it wasn't good but it wasn't as killjoy difficult as this is. Grump - perhaps thats the answer -
    Sno white?
    No that'll get me into more trouble.

  208. At 07:48 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Like lots of folk here time is getting more and more precious. So much going on on the blog at the moment it's making my head spin!

    Time to lie down under a shady tree again and sup something soothing!

    Oh message to Fifi! I got the CD, but left it in the office so I haven't had a chance to listen to it. Lovely card too, and what wonderful handwriting. Thank you for taking the trouble.

    Mary

  209. At 09:26 PM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Frustrated Frogger 7 - And I KNOW who you are, I am somewhat annoyed that you didn't even consider or comment on my suggestion of "G'day Oenophile" which I thought answered all of your criteria for a frogonym.

  210. At 09:49 PM on 07 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:


    a sudden thought - prompted possibly by the WOTW thing. Do you remember that official Beeb statement Eddie passed on a bit back about how all the blogs for the news programs were part of a Beeb initiative 'to see how blogs developed'. Well apart from making a few jocular comments about us being lab rats I never thought anything more about it. BUT I suddenly wonder, once the Beeb have discovered how blogs evolve, does that mean they will stop them? They wouldn't do that would they?

    And Jonnie look away now, but is anyone interested in having a page for filmgoers on the blogextra site? I can't be the only frogger interested in film, and it needn't be as structured as the book club thing; in fact it couldn't be because of the way films sort of spreads through the country after release. Just somewhere for us to go and discuss recent releases or personal favourites (films, genres, actors, directors). Anyone up for it?

  211. At 10:28 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Molly wrote:

    Well,here I am,a mere novice to this place,thinking I'm beginning to find my way around this lovely beach.

    Suddenly I realise that I am the only one calling us 'Froggies" when we all know what it is.

    I feel so stupid and promise not to use this infantile language again.

    Were you all too polite to say anything?

    Sorry,froggers. Night night!

    Molly

  212. At 10:31 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Lissa, PM Blogger in Bed wrote:

    Hello! I'm on the blog, on the beach and in bed! Think I'm taking this too seriously. Good night.

  213. At 10:59 PM on 07 Dec 2006, valery p wrote:

    Sweet dreams, multi-tasking Lissa-with-an-a!

  214. At 11:16 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Lissa, be warned, taking your computer to be (I imagine it's a laptop) can lead to death of computer! Don't use your computer on the duvet. Laptops overheat. I know to my cost.

    You are, however, truly dedicated. I hope you took a nightcap with you as well as your computer.

    Night night Lissa, and Molly.

    Mary

  215. At 11:16 PM on 07 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:


    Dear Lissa,

    Please please remember that there is a life beyond PM and the blog.

    Are you for instance aware of how few posting days there are left before Christmas?

    Good night.

  216. At 11:30 PM on 07 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Gosh, Lissa, you have been busy! But you make some very sensible suggestions from behind the bar (I can just picture you with your cocktail shaker to hand).

    But now, to sleep. You must be worn out after the last few days. We did all note, however, how beautifully Eddie said your name tonight .....

  217. At 11:41 PM on 07 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Fellow froggers,

    Just a thought - how does one do a map of a 'virtual' place, and what sort of projection would be appropriate? Can we map more than four dimensions?

    a map of our community woodland, but any resemblance to the real thing is entirely coincidental....

    Nighty night all, 'specially Lissa, and thanks for all your hard work and tolerance.
    xx ed

  218. At 11:50 PM on 07 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Big Sis - check your lilypad. Posted earlier but have no idea where it has gone.

  219. At 12:00 AM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    LadyPen - it's not for want of trying but I'm having no joy with connections with Fifi. I also sent a post of email address but must have been moderated out. I'm really getting frustrated with this. Fifi has my email address from stuff I sent her earlier. Can you contact her directly?

  220. At 05:37 AM on 08 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    RJohnD (219) - I've just mailed Fifi. I think it was so windy in December yesterday that your efforts must have been blown away :-)

    xx
    LadyPen

  221. At 09:20 AM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RobbieJohnDo: Don't be cross with me!

    :o(

    I'm sorry but I don't have your email address. If I did have it earlier one of the camels may have munched it.

    Please return one more time and post a message in the Guestbook. There's a line for you to fill in your email address there, which when posted (immediately - it's automatic) allows me to click on your name and reply PDQ.

    I feel terrible that you're getting so frustrated about this! Waaaaaah!

    Fifi

  222. At 09:48 AM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Has anyone been reading the tragic story behind yesterday's Advent Calendar picture?

    /blogs/pm/2006/12/december_the_7th.shtml

    By (10) the principal character is revealed to have a very interesting background, and to be Missing In Action.

    I have just posted a suggestion to Gonzo who supplied the photo, as to how we might reunite them.

    Anyone up for it? It's even sillier than the WOYW idea!

    ;o)

  223. At 09:59 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Frustrated Froggie wrote:

    RJD
    Sorry I didn't reply earlier but suddenly developed into a busy shift.
    I dididididid reply to your suggestion - in 207, I said I couldn't spell it never mind pronounce it-- and I maintain that position. I don't think I'll stick with the current one either - did it to make Molly feel better - but, yet again, it could lead to nothing but trouble
    xxx

  224. At 10:12 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    Today, I feel like that dog looks in WOYW Gallery 7, picture 83.

  225. At 10:18 AM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Oh dear, I seem to be talking to myself again.

    Am I? Oh, better stop then.

    Well, you first.

    No, you.

  226. At 10:42 AM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Mary - good to know you got the CD safely. I'm embarrassed that you think my handwriting is good though ... there was a time, and it was long since!

    I'm really worried about RobbieJohnDo now. [Jumps up and down on sand] Come on, do the Guestbook thing!

    Oh, and if Aperitif still visits the Beach: well done with Basil and the smoking debate! I'm afraid I over-reacted but a flippant comment about the alleged 'health benefits' caught me by surprise.

    And now I'm feeling a bit down. Comfort eating time!

    So, did anyone bring anything warm and snacky today? I'm thinking of rustling up a bacon butty ... if you'd like me to do a few extra, just let me know your relish of choice.

    I have mustard (English or Dijon), HP, tomato ketchup, real tomato, mayo, onions, garlic (to rub on the toast) and good old butter.

  227. At 10:56 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    RJD: Check your slot for a reply ....

  228. At 11:01 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Fifi (225 for now),
    Not talking to yourself - there's at least one other out here.

    I've often wondered if Lissa has any way of knowing just how many are lurking at any one time. Might be millions, might be no-one, and then we really would be talking to ourselves.

    Shall be fairly busy over the next couple of days so may not post, but will read when I can.

    Meanwhile have a cup of this lovely Fairtrade organic Java coffee and a malted milk biscuit.

    (memo to self - why are we all so obsessed with food and drink?)

  229. At 11:06 AM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Frustrated Froggie:

    Des Content Ed
    M Bittered
    F Oiled
    O B Structed
    Anne Oyed

    Other thesauri are available. ;o)


    And for those of you becoming anxious that Robbie's inability to contact LadySnorkPen would make him threaten to leave again ... all sorted.

    Phew.

  230. At 11:23 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Re the Book Club:
    ----------------------

    Just a word of warning - I don't think the email link to me is working from Jonnie's site. I've asked Jonnie to check for me, but haven't heard from him yet.

    If you've tried to send suggestions, etc., via the comment box, please forgive me for not replying, for the reason above.

    I think the chat link is working, so suggest anything is posted there.

    As I've already said before, I'm away for several days from this evening and won't have guaranteed access to the internet (though I will try, honest!) but will check everything next Thursday and am looking forward to commenting then on the current reads.

    Any messages to me today could also be posted on the Beach, which I'll check later today.

    Thanks

  231. At 11:26 AM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Anne P (228): Ah, thank you. Refreshments brought by others are always so much more delicious than one's own.

    See that pretty reindeer that's a wee bit whiter than the rest of the herd? It eventually owned up to scoffing RobbieJohnDo's email address which I'd carefully filed under my lilo.

    And then it tried to blame one of the camels.

    It has gone off to Fido's Run to think about what it's done.

  232. At 11:33 AM on 08 Dec 2006, R.Z.Hoff wrote:

    Thank you Fifi, I had also thought of
    Fay Dupp
    Des Paring
    Diz Trort
    Una Im Prest (of Italian origin)
    but M Bittered rings some bells altho Tumach Tymonerands seems more appropriate at the moment

    xx

  233. At 11:36 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    memo to self - why are we all so obsessed with food and drink?)

    Barging in on your thoughts to yourself, maybe it is because food and drink, like PM and WOYW, is the one thing that unites us all on here. Maybe that is because, PM, like food and drink, is essential for humanity's survival.


  234. At 11:37 AM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    There is something very very strange happening.

    The postings this morning are electric. But I know I posted a message to Fifi on this thread regarding "hide & seek" and the Whitby Hunt and it appeared and now it's gone. Mmmmmm.

    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not really out to get me.

    Fifi - If I undertand you correctly, addresses have been exchanged - thank you.

    Big Sis - All's well.


  235. At 11:42 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Ed Gee wrote:

    Fifi circa 231
    Presumably filled with remoose?

  236. At 11:50 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Fiona wrote:

    Morning all - hope you are all well?

    Admin Annie - I like the film idea. Sadly however my cinema going days are very few and far between. Used to be an avid cinema goer in the years BC (Before Children) - normally about once a week. Still have many favourites and would be happy to participate when I can. I am currently an expert on Disney films and am practically word perfect on Peter Pan :)

    Congratulations to Rosalind on having her blog comment not only read out but used as an actual feature on the programme - and a very good idea as well.

    Well in case anyone wonders (probably not!) but I am not likely to be around much again until the New Year. Am only working about 2 or 3 days after today until 3rd Jan - and as I do most of my frogging at work (quality PC time!!) may not get on very much. Have an exhausting schedule of Xmas shopping, wrapping, cleaning, ironing and children's parties lined up for the next 2 weeks...phew! Anyway in case I dont get a chance to say it before - I wish you all a wonderfully happy and safe Christmas and a grand Hogmanay !

  237. At 12:32 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Fiona,

    No need to wish you a great Hogmanay (I've never known a Scot to have a bad one ....)

    And here's a link that is both seasonal and informative, for Fiona and any other froggers who wish to view

    Happy Christmas!

  238. At 12:41 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Ed Gee : 'full of remoose'? I love it!

    I dare you to walk up to it on Fido's Run and say: "Why the long face?"

    LOL

    Fifi ;o)

  239. At 12:48 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Fellow Beachcroakers,

    Before too may hop off to attend to homestuff, may I send y'all my seasonal greetings, to wit

    Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit our best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all . . .

    and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2007, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Scotland great, (not to imply that Scotland is necessarily greater than any other country or is the only country in Great Britain), and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform, or sexual preference of the wishee.

    By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for her/himself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher. This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.)

    Festive Joy to all and one!
    xxxx
    ed

  240. At 12:52 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Hi... and bye... Fiona. I for one will miss you, the only other Fiona on the frog!

    Anyone who likes chocolate ... at the risk of bringing up the great Walnut Whip Controversy again ... Ben T has sent me a very funny email.

    It's a 514KB pps file. Those on the Fifi's Bits emailing list already will be seeing it in just a jiffy.

    Anyone else, please contact me via the Guestbook on my website (click on my name at the top of this email) and I'll send it to you as an attachment.

    Cheers, all

    Fifi xx

  241. At 01:03 PM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Right, I'm relaxed. The sun is shining and I鈥檝e just liberated two cans of very cold beer from the bar.

    I鈥檝e just finished putting a plain cover on the third volume of Aperitif鈥檚 trilogy (using asbestos gloves) and I鈥檓 off to find a quiet spot. If you see steam, you鈥檒l know where I am.

  242. At 01:06 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Fifi:

    I haven't received anything from you emailwise for - oh - ages! Would love to see the WW email, though, as she who wields it on the Blog ....

    Cheers, pal!

    PS Let me know if you need me to re-email you.

  243. At 01:50 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Ed (239) absolutely brilliant!

    Helen Sparkles turns into Lucky Horny-Stockings... posted it elsewhere too but going for it twice in case of moderation...

    Lady Pen & RDJ are united, hurrah.

    Personally, I love all the pictures of kitchens, desks and steering wheels; there is something quite profound about he mudane in our collective participation.

  244. At 02:26 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Fifi (226),

    I do still visit but have had a busy - and pretty awful - week, so haven't been feeling very sociable even when I've had time to frog. I'm having a "duvet day" (or at least a "moping about the house day") today, and keeping away from the outside world. (It's not skiving, honest! - it's an official day off).

    Thank you for your kind words re the smoking thing. I've just been back to have a look and I see one or two people have made brief comments and this time Basil has actually quoted me but changed what I said! Cheeky beggar. I don't really know why he cares so much what I think - a case of trying to convince himself rather than me? I believe that he doth protest too much. Anyway as far as I can see that thread is done with, but I did say I wouldn't bring the debate to the beach, so what I really wanted to say here is "Don't let him upset you" - easier said than done, I know.

    I'm so sorry about your Grandad. Mine has Alzheimers now, as it happens, but it has just developed in the last couple of years and he is 87, so we try to see it in a positive light - he's had 85 years of happiness and good health, and is now well looked after and comforatble, despite being very confused. I'm sorry yours didn't have that. Life can be awful can't it?

    Oh dear me, I think I need to play some happy music.

    See you all when I'm feeling more cheerful!

  245. At 02:28 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Helen and all,

    Sadly, I can't claim credit for the pc greeting. It's stolen from a forgotten source and all I did was modify it for Scotland.

    Still love it, though. Feel free to borrow and modify to your taste, with no warranty, express or implied.
    xx
    ed

  246. At 02:56 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Big Sister (242) : big dollop of chocolate is on its way under separate steam.

    Aperitif (244) : you are sweet, thank you.

    In fact Grandpa was blissfully unaware of his condition in his last years, and very happy living in a large residential unit with regular visits from my parents and me. It was only when his circulation started packing up that things became unpleasant.

    However Basil's flippant remarks brought it all flooding back ... not entirely his fault but by gum! what a farce* he is!

    I might have a peep later to see if he can manage a patronising apology for upsetting me. Or I might just stay here and share some of Big Sis's chocolate email instead. You didn't know they came in flavours, did you!

    If you want to have a natter about your crappy week, Appy, hop over to the website Guestbook, post a message including the email line, and we can share our troubles like the friends we are!

    * Fifi Rhyming Slang

  247. At 03:22 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Who was it asked me about the picture of Penrith Station on the website?

    Well, the webmeister has put in an unscheduled appearance and proffers the following reply:

    'To the best of my knowledge, it's genuine, but I didn't take it - as usual I found in on t'interweb.

    'So your answer will have to be "We don't know, we just thought it was funny".'

  248. At 03:39 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Fiona wrote:

    Brilliant Ed......must use that sometime! Kind of puts my boring old "have a merry Christmas" etc etc to shame Hee Hee!!

    Am chuffed to see my photo on the WOYW!! Its very addictive looking through them all - and utterly fascinating, great experiment. Think they should do it again- but in the summer when all the driving home/outdoor shots may be slightly more interesting.

    Right got to go..

  249. At 04:24 PM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Fifi aka 'Fuzzy Dancing-Tinker'

    I'm sure I replied to this on another thread. It was me and If I thought it was still in Penrith Station I'd call in and steal it!

    RJD aka 'Lucky Horny' (oh I wish . . I wish)

  250. At 05:11 PM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Folks, it is my birthday tomorrow, so I invite you to sample the Black Bush (Bushmills matured in sherry casks) that I have left behind the bar.

    Tomorrow involves preparation for daughter鈥檚 18th party and I may well have to do things and otherwise appear useful, before I am chucked out of the house later on.

    I have had a really good day so far!

    Slainte

  251. At 05:23 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Robbie JD (249): Yes, you did. I've stopped visiting t'other thread now, to concentrate on chilling out at the Beach. Should become less confusing now!

    For anyone wondering what on earth we're blithering about, it's at the bottom of this page.

    Other forms of pornographic activity involving trains may be available - you'd have to ask the bass player.

    ;oD

    Fuzzy D-T xxx

  252. At 05:40 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    For those not on the Fifi's Funnies list yet, here is a fun game for those who wish that Christmas menus could be just a little more imaginative:

    Fifi xx

  253. At 05:41 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD,

    Allow me to be among the first to wish you happy Birthday and many happy returns and thanks for the dram(s)! Happy birthday also to your lovely offspring.

    厂濒谩颈苍迟别 yersel'
    ed

  254. At 05:53 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Big Sister wrote:

    Robbie:

    Thanks for the Black Bush = Have a great time tomorrow (and belated wishes to daughter, too).

    Have a great time tomorrow, and an even greater one tonight, when the family celebrate YOUR big day!

    Big kiss from Big Sis x

  255. At 05:57 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Many happy returns for tomorrow, RobbieJohnDo! And good luck with the 18th.

    I'll leave the Black Bush for those who like that sort of thing ... and toast you instead with a glass of Pigassou (a very dark wine known to its fans as the Black Pig) I had forgotten was in the rack.

    Anyone care to join me?

    Well done being read out on the prog, gossipmistress! And Lucy too, from way back.

    Did anyone hear that excruciating interview with the Home Office spokesman, called up before the Beak to explain why they'd missed half their targets?

    I nearly wet myself with laughter, as he erm-ed and ahh-ed his way around NOT saying what every other spokesman who's ever been hit over the head about missing their government targets says:

    That government targets generally don't result in efficiency or good service!

    'Oh. We ARE the government. Spit.*'

    *Fifi Rhyming Slang

    Still LOL! ;oD Fifi xx

  256. At 07:21 PM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Fifi - I didn't forget about calling for the bear on the other thread. Decided not to because I think the whole disappearance is a put-up job.

    I believe that this bear has gone missing deliberately, I found in police records.

    Whaddya think?

  257. At 07:24 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD, have a great birthday tomorrow. I wish this tonight as I may be working tomorrow.

    Good luck also with the party.

    Mary

  258. At 07:50 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Aunt Dahlia wrote:

    Lotsa hugs RJD, have a great birthday yourself, then you won't have to embarrass daughter by dancing at her party.
    xxx

  259. At 08:10 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD, if you are Lucky Horny & I am Lucky Horny-Stockings does that mean I am your long lost sister who hypenated when she married Mr Stockings?!

    Jolly happy birthday, & I hope the 18th is fab & you don't have to stay out too late! I love 18th birthday parties because the young are sooo much more civilized than I was way back then. The young men seem able to dance with me without laughing and remind me of Lady P's swains rather, or rather her daughter's! Can we ask how old? You not the 18 year old, I think I can work that one out.

  260. At 08:17 PM on 08 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Aunt Dhalia, funny you should mention dancing without laughing, I just did, but you weren't there then! It'll likely be a while before it all appears... but I am not sure if we are encouraging RJD to dance or not. I think he should, because it is important that dad's embarress their daughters, & a primary feature of their role in fact!

  261. At 08:45 PM on 08 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:


    yes, happy birthday for tomorrow Robbie.

    Did you see that posting on one of the other threads that designated us all as Sun Readers? I thought that very odd.

    I've just rushed here for a quick relaxing tipple,- thank you the Bushmills will do bvery nicely!, when it runs out I'm bringing a bottle of Jameson's over. That used to be my yardstick for judging a pub; if it didn't stock irish whiskey as well as Scotch I didn't drink there.

    Anyway off now to do some more wrapping. Might be back later if you can promise me a full moon, a guitar player and several glasses of a nice soft red.

  262. At 09:16 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Belinda wrote:

    I'm going to take early retirement from the blog, as I have a nasty taste in my mouth due to the beginnings of nasty people in our midst (nothing has been said personally, but I don't want to watch this beautiful place destroyed by smug, arrogant gas-bags. My life is too full of those kind of people already!). I'll still look at the WOYW pictures though, I still find them utterly haunting and fascinating.


    To everyone: You are a wonderful bunch of people (even if you are Sun readers) and I have enjoyed every minute of talking about both trivial and serious issues with all of you. You are the very heart of the show and the personification of everything that PM represents - the best thing on a wonderful medium.

    Eddie: You are a brilliant presenter and interviewer, and I love listening to you every night. You are easily the best thing on the radio at the moment and you should be enormously proud to warrant such a strong following both on air and online. You deserve it (and much more).

    Lissa: Thank you for all your efforts with the blog - it is a really wonderful place and completely unique as I never remember that it is part of the 成人论坛. Your enthusiasm and skill is highly appreciated and PM is lucky to have you on their team.

    Bye bye all.

  263. At 09:43 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Scrooge-Tinsel aka Aunt Dahlia wrote:

    FFred, I expect you are lying down whimpering after Have I got News for You.... poor boy
    Belinda - give over - don't abandon us for some ill considered remark, which none of us could understand because I believe polysyllabic words were used - and it's a well known fact our collective vocabulary doesn't stretch that far. The odd 'G.B' occurs and appears to be ignored, as in life so in virtuality.
    Come, have some Auchentoshan and let us gently whisper dirty girly jokes together...

    xx

  264. At 10:10 PM on 08 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:


    yes yes, Belinda, for goodness sake, don't let her drive you away. If we are so wonderful - blush blush - surely you can't just walk away.

    Let's be honest; although it's irritating to be apostrophised as Sun readers, and then as ignorant and ill informed or whatever the 'improvement' in the post was supposed to say, we know that we are not any of those things and we should therefore be able to laugh it off. Let her think what she wants, in the intervals she has from the 'more important things' she has to do. Friendship with like minded peopple is not so easily found in my experience that we can afford to deliberately walk away from it just because someone has put a big stick in the nest and tried to stir it up. Please don't go.

  265. At 10:13 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Happy Birthday Robbie JD - won't be around tomorrow, so have a birthday hug now. Hope your daughter's party goes well.

    Early night - long journey tomorrow.

    Night all.

  266. At 10:14 PM on 08 Dec 2006, admin annie wrote:

    Aunt Dahlia, where have you been recently? I've been meaning to say, re the book, that you wouldn't be harrowed, althought you might be moved, amused, irritated....I do hope you read it and I'm looking forward to people's views on Monday.

    HIGNIFY was very good tonight I thought, but is there any reason why FFred should be whimpering? Have I missed something?

  267. At 10:21 PM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Belinda

    I know you will come back to read this!

    A few weeks ago I got severely disenchanted with the Blog - probably not for the same reasons as you, but no matter. I said I was going and I meant it. A lot of very nice comments from regulars brought me back and although at times I still find it enormously frustrating, I鈥檓 really glad I did return.

    I'm going to quote from somebody else - they know who they are and I ask for their forgiveness for quoting without their permission about their thoughts on the blog:
    鈥 It's like having a bunch of intelligent, friendly, opinionated but (usually) gentle colleagues and friends around - one moves from the serious to the random to the important to the trivial and around again. The pleasure's in the mixture.鈥

    This was at the tail end of a thread and probably most regulars had moved on and didn鈥檛 see it. But it really really had an effect on me and I鈥檝e held on to it through out the frustration I鈥檝e felt with the blog over the weeks. I find the vast majority of regular bloggers to be as described above. Sure, there are some of us who ramble on inanely, post too often and talk absolute xxxx (I鈥檓 trying not to get moderated).

    But in every sphere, you get people like that. I compartmentalise (is that the correct word?) these people. I skim over their posts because I know the next one will be different. I filter them out as I鈥檓 sure others filter me out.

    You were here before me. I鈥檒l be very upset if I鈥檓 here after you.

    RJD

  268. At 10:27 PM on 08 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Helen Sparkles (and you do look an awful lot better with your 'k')

    Of course you can ask what age I am. Just don't expect the truth in the reply.

  269. At 10:56 PM on 08 Dec 2006, Aunt Dahlia wrote:

    Admin Annie
    FFred whimpering - Claudia Winklemen, if Lucy Porter pressed his buttons last week.... I'm going purely on the reaction of the LIPH ( Live In Petrol Head)

  270. At 11:29 PM on 08 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Fifi - thanks for congrats - I nearly crashed the car when I heard it!

    Belinda - I haven't had time to look around the blog and see what has upset you, but please don't go! There are plenty of friends here :-)

  271. At 01:01 AM on 09 Dec 2006, LadySnorkPenMaiden wrote:

    HelenSparkles (259) - the funny thing is that the swains (what a lovely word) say they come around here to see me as much as they come to see her :-) What a bunch of smoothies.

    Typical sign-off dialogue when they leave is

    Them: Bye Pen (or Annie's Mum)

    Me: Bye Angus/James/Alex/Christian etc (delete whichever does not apply)

    Them: Love you

    Me: Love you too

    Them: Love you more.

    Bless.

    This evening was different, though. (Or was it last night? I think I may be becoming nocturnal). It was 'Oh by the way Joe's been sick all over the landing'. Urg.

    Good job it wasn't 5pm on 5 December . . .

    Belinda - DO NOT GO. Please stay.

    xx
    LadyPen

    PS Did anyone else see Jeremy Paxman being withering on HIGNFY this evening about the bonkers idea of having viewers sending in their home videos?

  272. At 01:08 AM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD (267) That quote is brilliant & Belinda (262) I've left you a comment elsewhere along the lines of some people having very important things to do, & very high standards, & far too busy to be here at all really. I have also posted somewhere that even the Billy Goats Gruff could see off a troll & we have an army of lightfooted commenters to outwit such a creature.

    FF whimpering Aunt Dahlia (269) even I've got a crush on Claudia Winkleman!

  273. At 01:11 AM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD (256) Toooo much time on your hands! But very funny.

  274. At 01:36 AM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Lady p,
    Saw Pax when he did it, and again tonight on the excellent HIGNFY! Brilliant!

    Nighty night and hot toddies all round

    Slainte
    ed

  275. At 01:38 AM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Oh and Happy birthday RJD

  276. At 12:05 PM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    My fellow Beach froggers,

    May I propose a frontispiece for the portal to The Beach?

    Thanks to Helen Sparkles for !

    A hyperspace portal, if ever there was one from the dreary world of cares into OUR BEACH.

    Joy
    ed

  277. At 12:32 PM on 09 Dec 2006, gossipmistress wrote:

    Happy Birthday Robbie!!

  278. At 04:43 PM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Hoppy Birthday RJD, well frogs do hop don't they, & I am silly.

    I am so glad I look better with my k, I'd temporarily embraced the vogue for plastic surgery & thought lopping it off might make me look younger. Turns out it just looks odd, so I've escaped that madeness & embraced the beauty that is age. As I hop are you today?

  279. At 07:35 PM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    LadyPenetc, I can recall meeting a very nice young man when I was about 18. He would have done me nicely. I took him home. He came round a few times, my mother would feed him.

    One day he came round with a rather nice pot he'd made (I think I have it still) but it wasn't for me it was for her! She stole a few hearts that should have belonged to me! I think you undersell yourself.

    RJD. What a lovely chap you are! You find the right things to say.

    Sparkles - you know I always agree with you, but I also think you find wonderful things to say.

    Nobody should leave the blog because there are a few folk who are small minded enough to think that calling people Sun Readers is clever. It's not. A lot of rather good and nice people read that paper. Variety is the spice of live.

    Me, I don't read newspapers at all, and I love the X Factor! It's a grand world.

    Never mind "Tolerance" the word should be "celebrate". Tolerance is such a tight lipped approach to life. Ooops rambling!

    Mary

  280. At 08:13 PM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Thank you madmary, what a lovely thing to say about me, & it will be no surprise to you that I agree; tolerance isn't adequate at all & I shall be celebrating with you!

  281. At 09:04 PM on 09 Dec 2006, Aunt Dahlia wrote:

    I don't mean to show more than a 'Sun' level of ignorance, but when I pressed '7' on the calendar above, I was sent straight to the blog of a Russell something .... are they related, plugging each other or have the gizmo's gone?
    I'm going to try the '8' now. I may be some time....

  282. At 09:48 PM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Me too Aunt Dahlia, but it worked properly immediately after, I do hope you haven't got lost in Russell Brand's hair.

  283. At 11:32 PM on 09 Dec 2006, wrote:

    LadyPen, swains seemed to suit you somehow. Oh aren't young people lovely, I am particularly and pathetically grateful for the way they don't percieve me to be the dinasaur I thought people my age were when I was their age. They talk to us, we talk to them, so civilized, with the odd adolescent moment thrown in still I expect - not being a parent I'm not usually there for that bit!

    If we take a blueprint from the relationships we see around us to build our own healthy one, or avoid constructing the wreck we witnessed - delete as a applicable - it is v.good practice for the boys of lovely names to flirt with you LadyP. You would in fact be failing in your duties if you didn't fulfil your role as a role model for them! Lovely daughter's social skills are evidence of your ability to influence, in the nicest possible way.

  284. At 11:33 PM on 09 Dec 2006, valery p wrote:

    Happy Birthday Robbie John Do! S.O. says you can have a dram of his Longmorn Glenlivet (you're honoured).

    I don't know, look what happens when you don't check in for a couple of days... Sam gets on the advent calendar, and then I see this:

    At 05:19 AM on 08 Dec 2006, Rosalind wrote: Forgot to say, Val P, love the strapline.

    Aeeeh - and since it's the 9th now (nearly the 10th), I can't see it. Does anyone remember what the strapline was? It's so long since I suggested anything, I'd given up.....

    And Belinda - what's all this about abandoning us? What on earth's been happening while I was having my own outtage?

    Btw - Tumbleflump Floppy-Hippoface, or even Tumbleflump Holly-Hippoface - which d'you think? The latter is more Christmassy I guess.

  285. At 09:10 AM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I've come down to the beach to drown my sorrows in coffee!

    Not only does Eddie not put up my advent picture on my birthday but he publishes (a very nice) picture believing it to be from Fifi (it's not is it?) It's from Fiona actually, but that's beside the point. He's now deliberately ignoring my baubles! He'd rather put two pictures up by one person than choose mine.

    My heart is broken!

    Mary

  286. At 09:36 AM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Sorry for not being around much the last few days. Too much c*** going on in December. Things went wrong at work meaning that I spent half of a day-off on friday working from home instead. Add to that the sock-wearing (for those who remember that far back) is coming to a conclusion, with the current duration at 11 minutes. Can you imagine standing stock-still for 11 minutes without anything to do/look at/listen to? It's enough to drive you crazy...

    Enough of that, I came to the beach to catch up with my fellow froggers and relax for a bit. Happy belated birthday, RJD :-) Belinda, I hope you return. I haven't had a chance to go through all the threads yet, but I'm sure that this was an isolated incident...

    Anyway, time to wander to the coffee shack for a beverage and a snack...

  287. At 12:56 PM on 10 Dec 2006, valery p (Tumbleflump Holly-Hippoface) wrote:

    Ffred - I'm glad to hear that the sock-wearing is reaching a conclusion - just in time to hang it up and hope for Santa to bring something for a good, patient boy? My long-suffering informant tells me that a combo of chamomile, lavender and bergamot essential oils is supposed to be helpful, put them on your Christmas list?

    Just time for another coffee before I dash back to December to go and choose a Christmas tree.

  288. At 01:08 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Past noon, time for a Guinness! Any one care to join me? Just ducking . See y'all there!
    xx
    ed

  289. At 01:29 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Afternoon all,

    Happy birthday RJD. Are we allowed to ask how many happy returns there have been so far?

    I'm sure I frogged my alternative name last night but I was squiffy so may well have put it in the wrong place. I seem to remember Aperitif produces "Squelchy Baubles" which is most disturbing...

  290. At 01:50 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Val: "a combo of chamomile, lavender and bergamot essential oils is supposed to be helpful, put them on your Christmas list?"

    Or on your sock?
    xx
    ed

  291. At 02:38 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Mary (285),

    I'm thinking of setting up a self-help organisation for all those who Eddie has spuned/ignored. I could steal "Women Who Love Too Much" I suppose...

  292. At 03:22 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    My 291 was supposed to include a second sentence thus:

    It needs a name.

    I hope it makes more sense now..

  293. At 04:04 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    I'll join the self-help organisation.

    We could sit around in a circle and say empowering things like, Eddie spurned me but I don't need... nee...

    No, it's no good. I'm in serious trouble!

    Oh well!

    Maybe I should just have an early tincture!

    Mary

  294. At 04:22 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Aperitif 292 - Name? PM Anonymous? EM Rejects Anonymous?

    Mary

  295. At 04:56 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    PMTeasers?
    xx ed

  296. At 05:01 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    HelenSparkles (283) - well, I just do what I do (in between beating myself up for not doing it well enough). I can't believe how sensible my children and their friends seem to be, compared with the ditso I was at their age :-)

    (That's a word I just made up, BTW.)

    Mind, I don't remember ever throwing up all over the walls as my son did on Friday night. (At least I always managed to hit the toilet. Or do it on the way home . . .) He is continuing to pay for it. I made him clear the spare room yesterday of all the empty drinks bottles, crisp packets and glasses he, his sister and their assorted friends have just dumped there. He was outraged. Not by me asking him to do it, but by the tip he uncovered once he started looking . . .

    Oof. Pass Neil Oliver (Scottish 'Coast' man) and a bottle of something fizzy and cold, someone.

    I've just written a radio play, I think. Wow.

    xx
    LadyPen

  297. At 05:17 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    LadyPen you've penned a play?!??! I'm so impressed I shall have to have another drink!


    Mary

  298. At 05:52 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    I like your thinking Mary - maybe even "Ericaholics Anonymous"? Maybe not...

  299. At 06:36 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Aperatif, I toyed with the ..aholics suffix but I didn't want to admit my addiction. Not that I have one. It doesn't bother me if he won't post my pictures... Oh who am I kidding, *sobs uncontrollably*.

    Mary

  300. At 07:04 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Mary, he has no shame. If he can't acknowledge those who idolise him he could at least set about being less adorable in order to put us off...

    Talking of adorable, RJD, I've just seen your 267. I thought I'd read all of this thread properly, but it seems not. I shall now make amends. Meantime, I'm really glad it helped: I know you mentioned it at the time, but I hadn't realised how much notice you had taken. I am touched and slightly embarassed but most of all pleased you stayed. I hope Belinda does too.

  301. At 08:04 PM on 10 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Hi everybody.

    It was a long night and a long day. Daughter's all night party a hit. Parents offficially described as really cool so we must have got it right. Two carpet stains, several broken glasses and a damaged light fitting - pretty good really.

    Ap - I told you I liked it and I'm really glad to hear you being your cheerful self again. I'll talk to Belinda every day until she is so fed up that she will reply just to shut me up!

    Valery P - I left two posts quoting your strapline but can't find them - I can't believe they were moderated. Did you find out what the the strapline was?


  302. At 08:20 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD we have all those things (stains etc) without the party!

    Glad it was good. We knew you'd be a cool parent.

    Sit down and relax on the beach. I've got some rather nice chocolate pudding to share out.

    Mary

  303. At 08:27 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aunt Dahlia wrote:

    Evening RJD
    Feeling slightly jaded? Missed the Archers? Me too, and I only went out to lunch!
    Please repeat ValP's strapline, I've been dozing gently through recent posts and cannot find it - and faintly worried that I can't remember it.
    I thought Bordeaux was supposed to be good for one.
    Cocoa and a good kip in that hammock......night night

  304. At 08:32 PM on 10 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    madmary

    Can I have a double helping?

  305. At 08:44 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Anne P. wrote:

    Evening all,

    Just a quick note to say following some earlier discussion hereabouts, I have taken the liberty of forwarding the great intro that Simon Worrall wrote for Molly at (14) to Eddie with the suggestion that it should be used as an intro to next week's beach.

    Do hope you don't mind, Simon, as I had no way of asking you beforehand. I cut it very slightly to make it appropriate for any week. Don't know of course whether Eddie will actually use it, but I do think it would be useful to newcomers.

    jonnie, the caveat about the PM Blog Extra was only because I'm not sure about protocols for Eddie advertising external sites.

    Here is what I wrote to Eddie, do hope you are all ok with it:

    Hi Eddie,

    Recently Simon Worrall provided a very good explanation of what the beach is all about for a newcomer called Molly.

    As other froggers suggested it at the time, I am including below a, slightly edited, version which you might like to consider posting with each new week's beach by way of explanation for new folk. The original entry was (14) on 'This Week's Beach' for December 4th. I have added an extra line as a plug for jonnie's PM Blog Extra, but feel free to leave that out if you prefer.


    Welcome to the beach. For new visitors, here鈥檚 a quick guide provided recently for Molly by Simon Worrall.

    Sometimes it is fairly quiet, but you can leave your footprints for others to find later on. Othertimes it is the home for a real party, with constant gossip, rumour, innuendo, chit-chat and so on.

    There is no direct answer to your question about finding your way. The beach is a moveable feast, literally. It will be renewed by our Lord and master Mr. Edward de Mair each Monday morning. This is because we have found in the past that when the number of posts exceeds about 600 the entire thing becomes unwieldy and unstable.

    If this were a forum (and it sort of is because we post responses to each other, not just to Eddie, hence our term for ourselves 'Froggers', a combination of forum and blogger) then the beach would be the off-topic area. It's a tropical location, no matter the time of year it's always warm and pleasant there. Sunrises and sunsets are spectacular and the evenings are balmy. It has a number of different locations; the Nick Clarke waterfront bar; the smokers corner; Fido's Run for the dog-walkers; and others. Froggers often leave bottles / glasses of their favourite tipple on the bar for others to sample, not to mention big / small eats. For example last Thursday I left a bottle of Talisker and some crudites there, which were well received in some quarters.

    There is a herd of camels who frequent the sands, which froggers are very fond of. Lately a bunch of reindeer have showed up from who-knows-where. There are sun-loungers, so you can take it easy and catch some rays. Quite often the late-night attendees will have a barbie.

    It's a fun place, with only one real rule; Be nice to each other. To answer another point you raise; we are ALL chums here.

    The real debate happens on the other threads. The beach is a place for banter, whimsy, relaxation and friendship, where jarring comments are not particularly welcome. There are certain very mild protocols, which you tend to pick up as you go along. So slip your shoes off, feel the sand between your toes, relax and enjoy.

    And by the way, if you are interested the froggers have also created their own site at .

  306. At 08:56 PM on 10 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Valery P's strapline as I remember (and don't ask why but I think this has been moderated twice) was "Turn on.. Tune in... It's as simple as that." - or something very near that.

  307. At 08:57 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    RJD, of course you can have double helpings. It was our birthdays this week and we deserve to share the pudding.

    Mary

  308. At 09:12 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Anne P, well done, t'was a brilliant intro from Simon & we should do put something of a welcome mat out for newscomers.

    Self-help group; pull your socks up! (-:

    RJD, collateral damage from party seems acceptable, especially in return for being cool parents! Oh young people are lovely these days... (ad infinitum)

    LadyP. I was a ditso too; great word.

  309. At 09:39 PM on 10 Dec 2006, valery p (Tumbleflump Holly-Hippoface) wrote:

    Thank you RJD - I was getting worried that I'd asked so many times, and no-one had posted. I thought I was sounding really needy!
    The Turn on, tune in one does sound familiar now, I think I sent it in when Eric made his plea last month, then promptly forgot.
    I don't see it anywhere else, why would it be moderated??
    Glad the birthdays were such a great success.

    Anne P, that was a grand idea, I hope Eric's listening, and that he uses it tomorrow morning....just immediately before he sends a personal greeting to his Fan Club? Perhaps he is planning a special Christmas surprise for both of you hint,hint.

    I'm just going to put my feet up and finish off this rather thin Syrah, beggars can't be choosers though.

  310. At 09:47 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Helen Sparkles I would pull my socks up but I'm not wearing any, nor tights or stockings.

    You remind me of my hockey mistress at school (I hated hockey or sports generally). Someone whacked me on the shin with a stick. I crumpled up in pain. She said "rub it an play on!"

    It's been my motto ever since (no rude references Appy!).

    Mary

  311. At 10:45 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Oh Mary (310), with these mottos and forbidding words in parathensis you are teasing me!

  312. At 10:46 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Bill'n'Ben wrote:

    Belinda, I don't know what's gone on recently, but don't go.

    I saw RobbieJohnDo's comments, and feel that I must add some more. Unfortunately I'm not as eloquent as the rest of the frogger, and I normally just end up rambling on (there's a song called that).

    RJD got despondent about the blog and said he was going to pack it in, everybody came out with support and even I threatened to smack his bottom if he was a naughty boy and said it again.

    Now I've been away for weeks, not because I got hacked off with the blog, more to do with getting hacked off with life.

    In the real world you know that nobody understands when they keep asking why you're humming the theme tune to Mash, and for umpteenth time with tears in your eyes you scream at them, put the bl**dy words to the tune and then you'll understand. I know that might sound a little melodramatic, but Belinda if you're reading this, I mean it. I've come back to the Beach, because although I don't personally know anyone here, I do know they're "FREINDS".

    And now everybody in the world knows how screwed up I am.

    Ed is there any Guinness left in that barrel.

    Belinda lots of love Brian

  313. At 11:01 PM on 10 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Appy

    I know I said in a previous post that I didn't want to know but I was really lying. Ignore this if you would prefer, but I am struck by an extraordinary coincidence - Can you tell me how many letters there are in your real first name?

  314. At 11:08 PM on 10 Dec 2006, Fiona wrote:

    Thought I would just pop down to the beach for a quick meander before bed and why goodness what a lot seems to be going on!

    Dear Belinda - what was said to upset you? I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to read all the threads. But as all the others have said...don't go please!

    Happy Birthday RJD - hope it was a good one.

    And Mary - you are right, it is my reindeer picture! I think I will have to change my frog name as it is obviously too confusing. I am very sorry you haven't had your picture published yet - I am sure he is saving it for the prime "24th Dec" position in the advent, I was totally shocked to see mine had appeared - yours will appear as well, you'll see - and if its any consolation my picture may have been published but my love remains unrequited sadly (in fact he doesn't even know I exist - he thinks I am Fifi sob) Oh and I hope you had wonderful birthday xxx

    Right better go - made a point of wishing all a merry christmas etc on Friday as I thought I would not be on-line much again with being off work so will look fairly foolish if I keep posting every day.....

    Goodnight all x

  315. At 11:15 PM on 10 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Bill'n'Ben, I remember the words to the Mash song.

    You are amongst friends here.

    You must think so for trusting us to post that.

    Glad you're back with us.

    Love you all

    Mary x

  316. At 12:05 AM on 11 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Hi again,

    Bill'n'Ben'n'Brian (or 3B), I remember the words too, and you are of course missed whenever you disappear.

    Fiona, congrats on the advent card. When's Eric going to put mine up do you think?

    RJD, I'm intrigued. What kind of coincidence could this be? There are six letters but therein lies the pronounciation-related problem. Care to enlighten me?

  317. At 12:22 AM on 11 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    Appy

    No Appy. I just would have loved to have been right. I had 5. It doesn't really matter. Perhaps some day, after everybody has forgotten about this, you can tell me in another place. It doesn't really matter and yet it does.

  318. At 01:09 AM on 11 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Brian,

    There's always another pint in the magic barrel. Welcome back.
    厂濒谩颈苍迟别
    ed

  319. At 01:27 AM on 11 Dec 2006, wrote:

    Thanks Anne P,

    Can we please have the Sparkly Helen found? Please!
    xx
    ed

  320. At 12:13 PM on 11 Dec 2006, valery p (Tumbleflump Holly-Hippoface) wrote:

    Aperitivo - go on, tell RJD, after all, you coaxed me into asking him The Question! Now I'm all agog.

  321. At 03:27 PM on 11 Dec 2006, RobbieJohnDo wrote:

    valery p - I can't bring myself to call you Hippoface!

    I suspect Ap doesn't need to tell me now. I got what I hope is confirmation from the "Christmas Name Generator." It would also have helped last night if I could have counted to six. And I think I got the original clue the wrong way round - it鈥檚 the mispronunciation that is the aperitif and not the correct name. I won鈥檛 half feel a prat if I ever find out I鈥檓 wrong, so I think I'll leave it.

    btw - in a thread a very long time ago, you said that you never found a good anagram of your real name. Not very flattering I know but I have since thought of you as - Heavy Wooldyer.

    I discounted the following on grounds of taste - Rowdy Love? Yeah!

  322. At 11:55 PM on 11 Dec 2006, valery p (Tumbleflump Holly-Hippoface) wrote:

    Oh RJD - d'you know, I think I prefer the latter!!
    You really should do crosswords, names seem to fascinate you! I still can't work out Ap's aperitif.

    So did your birthday get lost in the welter of the 18th and looming Christmas, or did your family give you all the attention that you obviously deserve?

  323. At 12:51 AM on 12 Dec 2006, Aperitif wrote:

    Ooh, hello, still chatting on last week's beach???

    RJD, no, the other way round is correct: When people mispronounce my name I tell them to 'think of me as an aperitif' (hence the name) to remind them that it ought to be pronounced just like the drink.

    It's really not deserving of the time you have put into it, but it's nice that you are interested.

    :-)

  324. At 11:38 PM on 13 Dec 2006, Nora Young wrote:

    Not sue what this beech thing is about but I have hugged one. Does that count?
    Everyone should.

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