Grumpy England look for improvement (40)
- 9 Oct 07, 04:12 PM
Paris 鈥 鈥溾, sang Bobby McFerrin in his 1988 number one hit of the same name.
Jut in case you are too young to know, McFerrin鈥檚 song was the most inanely cheery pop song I can remember and is still as infectious now as it was then.
But I would put my house on betting that this particular ditty will not be on any of the mp3 players used by the England pack out here in France. You see, they're not called the "Grumpy Old Men" for nothing.
And after England sent the with the help of an aggressive forward offensive, there is no plan to lighten the mood ahead of this weekend's semi-final clash against France.
鈥淚f we were grumpy and horrible last week and won I want us to be grumpy and horrible this week again,鈥 said forwards coach John Wells.
The theme was continued by flanker Martin Corry - prime minister of the grumpy tribe - at England鈥檚 first news conference since the squad travelled north to the capital.
鈥淭here are a few things I have mastered in life and one of them is being grumpy,鈥 he said. 鈥淚t鈥檚 just a common trait among forwards that when you come up to a massive game where it is all or nothing, they find it harder to enjoy the lighter things in life."
When asked whether that means they are grumpy with each other or with the world in general, Corry raised a laugh by answering: "For me, it's across the board."
He was speaking at England's new home, which is a far cry from the party-town atmosphere of Marseille or the stately opulence of Versailles.
The squad are based in the sleepy and affluent Parisian suburb of , once governed by now President Nicolas Sarkozy and home to actor Gerard Depardieu.
England travelled north from Marseille on Monday afternoon, leaving behind a city still nursing a sore head following the weekend's incredible events.
But the mantra from the camp is that the Australia victory has been left there too.
Not for them the luxury of bathing in the afterglow of that incredible win, instead there is the clarion call to focus on the job in hand. France. In Paris.
鈥淚n a World Cup you do not want to keep harping back to a performance,鈥 said Corry. 鈥淲hat we did up front was very special and leading up to the game and playing in it meant the absolute world to us.
鈥淏ut now the focus has switched. If we do not improve on that performance then we will be going home as semi-final losers and what we did in the quarter-final will count for absolutely nothing.
"France are going to pose a completely different threat. The line-out needs to improve as does our execution in terms of turning our possession into points. I still think we can improve as a team, we are not the finished article."
And as for lifting themselves again following their three successive "knockout" weekends, Corry does not think that will be a problem.
"If you do have to look for things to give you an edge for a game like this then there has to be something wrong."
If England are determined to move on from the Australian performance and the praise that came with it, the negative words from earlier in the tournament are still firmly lodged in their minds.
And Corry insists those criticisms, which were at their peak after the , have been used as an inspiration to the squad.
"We have taken quite a lot of justified heat during this tournament and that has brought us really close together," added Corry. 鈥淲e are revelling in that as a squad and it鈥檚 proving to be a big driving force for us."
Corry was not in the room as the journalists gathered at England's hotel began swapping the latest jokes regarding New Zealand鈥檚 exit from the competition.
One of the gags talked about New Zealand doing the 鈥渉okey chokey, New Zealand in, New Zealand out etc..鈥 while another asked the difference between All Blacks coach Graham Henry and Viagra. I can assure you it was very funny but as this is a family show, I don鈥檛 think I鈥檒l be able to tell you the punchline.
And there is no point telling the jokes to England's grumpy forwards - they probably wouldn鈥檛 laugh anyway.
Mark Orlovac is a 成人论坛 Sport journalist based in London. He will be based in Paris for the knockout stages of the Rugby World Cup.
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I was there!!
What a fantastic weekend, Met up with a lot of old friends, during the England match all the French around me were English, and in the France NZ game,I was French. (Not something i thought i would ever say!!!)
I also thought Marseilles did a great job, Nice place.
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Our boys certainly didnt look like grumpy old men on Sat. They looked like raging lions on speed!! We havent seen England get to a break down and dominate it in such away Since the world cup final and that for me is the biggest positive to take int the next match. If these grumpy old men can maintain the level of commitment focus and aggression we will be in with a shout! And my last piece of encouragement for Saturday is our backs must have a good game in them for this worlfd cup indiviually and for there club these guys are super talented stars, Ashtons reputation was to develope exciting attacking rugby with the backs so its about time the work they MUST have been putting in pays off!! And Jonny certaily has a man of the mach performance to put in! the guy is immence imagine if he puts in a performane like he did against Scotland in 6 N wow what a game saterday would be! COME ON ENGLAND
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How can Betsen be fit to play on Saturday? It's mandatory 3 weeks out for concussion and he was out cold!
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Grumpy, yes. Old, yes. You certainly don't see many happy forwards. England just need to keep the same mindset that they had before the Australia game - get the basics right and keep disciplined. The host nation team has always either won the RWC or been in the final. Our French friends will not give up easily. It will be a great game in any case. By the way, can somebody record it for me? I'm camping this weekend as I didn't expect England to ge this far!
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Not true about the host nation always either winning it or getting to the final. Wales knocked out by Australia in the '99 QF. To this day, i still curse Horan. :-)
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its a long time since i have seen such good rugby.probably not since 2003 wrc. just watching those forwards battering those aussies.i think i scared my girlfriend with my shouting at the telly.ha ha. all i can say is !!!COME ON ENGLAND!!!!
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they werent really that grumpy, just played like the england of old, which although lacked flair and anything for the neutral, displayed passion and control far beyond an of the recent offerings by england. I fear for them against france though, because the truth that france dont play well two matches in a row is now a myth - france are progressively looking better and better, and england cannot rely on similar quantity/quality of ball against the, that they had against australia. The penalties will be harder to come by, and france have better kickers than australia. The french are on a high, but also cautious about over-confidence after their opening loss to argentina. England beware, for although england do have a chance of winning this, and with it the world cup if they beat whoever in the final, the french have now caught the smell of blood, and will not let up. The nation will also now be behind them for the first time in about years since they last beat NZ in the RWC, so no advantage there. The french defence is better than the oz defence as well, so hard yards may be harder to come by, and england cant run it anyway, so there's nothing to be gained there.
France by 10 points for me, england putting up a good fight to the death.
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Taff - comment number 5 - thanks for the correction, I had clean forgotten that the Welsh had hosted that RWC and not the French. I endured a sad weekend in Paris seeing the Springboks dispose of England, easily, in the quarter finals. Long time ago now though....
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Come on England! Like in 2003!!
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Well guy's as a devout POM here in Oz, the last few days have been heaven. All the papers here spoke about up to the match, was Englands 'Dad's army' and how the Wallabies were going to smash em. Even a story about Connolly warning his team about "off the ball dirty tactics'!!!
There were certainly plenty of them I guess coz the Wallabies couldn't get hold of the ball so I 'spose they were always 'Off the ball'.
As an old half back, I have to say the forwards were brilliant. It was a pleasure to sit and watch our pack just demolish the Aussie scrum and rumble over them at the breakdown. Full respect to them.
Now let's give it to the French as well. C'MON ENGLAND.........
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I was reading Le Figaro earlier today and was disgusted, but not surprised to see a Survey asking the a possible RWC Champion that included France, South Africa and England. Argentina? I guess the folks at Le Figaro don't think is worth including them.
How short is their memory...a certain blue team had no chances against the mighty All Blacks last weekend.
Suddenly, I think the Pumas have the motivation needed for Sunday and England got a brand new fan that will be screaming like crazy this Saturday every time they score. Come on England, have frogs for dinner this Saturday!!!!
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My head's just about cleared after the terrific performances by both England and France. As an Englishman living in South Africa that 36-0 nightmare has been rammed down my throat for what seems like years!! I'm pulling for Argentina at the weekend , but there's a part of me wants a rematch with the Boks and an England victory from the boot of Jonny!!
Maybe I'm still a bit under the weather , but it's a possibility!!
Gooooooooooooo England !!!
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be realistic. england played well but to be honest- it'll be a sterner test against the french. it's a tad worrying that england didnt manage to get a try against a very poor aussie team. depending on kicking penalties v the french is another story altogether- ie the referee will probably give everything to the french so england will have to get a few tries if they have any chance of winning. i'm irish and i'm shouting for england but a degree if caution and realism should be considered.
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You wont find more of a passionate England rugby fan than myself, I live in Wales and its absolute war between my mates and I during the Eng/Wal matches.So I am slightly ashamed to say that I hadn't given us much hope of beating the Aussies as I was using my head not my heart before the game. How life is so unpredictable at the final whistle I was jumping around and screaming so much I scared my pet Rottweiler so much she thought she had been naughty and was trying in vain to hide behind the sofa.
Well this sat is going to be so tense, if we turn up and put a performance in like last sat we can definitely do it. All the pressure will be on France, they're the favourites, they're at home, the whole French nation expects them to at least get to the final so if England can stay with them till into the second half and maybe get a lead I think the French may start to implode. So lets get another tremendous effort from our pack and we could be meeting Argentina in the final, who in their right mind would have thought that could happen before the tournament started.
Cmon England.......................
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Well we sure need another large one from the forwards. I was surprised how poor the Aus scrum was, I know theyve struggled for a while but they were nowhere. France will be stronger than that for sure but by how much is the question. Our problem is behind the scrum obviously. Please dont tell me JW is playing well he's not. He is dithering with the ball in hand and giving whoever is 12 little space or chance. Why is Tait selected at centre? He has no physical presence and how many opportunities does he create for his wingers? Sorry he is wing or nowhere for me. Yes we have a chance but France, semi final, in Paris, just beaten the AB's. I hope it is the great match it could be and hopefully our SH friends will watch and learn !!! Remember this my SH friends, its not touch rugby and its not sevens !
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On the subject of grumpy old men, did you see Nick Easter's post match interview on Saturday?
He basically slagged the press off for never giving England a chance before the match, and so maybe he had a point there, because of course we could pull it off.
However, he then went on to imply that the England team didn't deserve any of the criticism that had been levelled at them earlier in the tournament.
Well, I'm sorry Nick, but I paid good money to go and watch the embarrassing performance against South Africa a few weeks ago, and so if you think no criticism was deserved there, then you are deluded!
He seems to get off on doing the grumpy, and, well downright ungracious post match interview.
Lawrence Dallaglio famously gets a few peoples backs up in his post match interviews, but he at least gives credit where deserved, and more importantly he has been there and done it all before and although past his best now, he will always be remembered as a world class player.
Nick Easter is never going to scale the heights that Dallaglio has managed in his career, so perhaps he ought to concentrate on trying to do his talking on the field for the time being.
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#16
Yup, listened to Easter re-using the old Faldo line...i.e. thanking the press from the heart of his bottom.
Both times I have heard it, I have found it to be a clumsy, ungracious comment that reflected badly on the user...
Do your talking on the pitch.
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Speaking as a rugby convert since about 1988 ,(im a liverpool fan :) and still a liverpool fan )
its surprising that there is so little visible reaction out and about in England , so far i have seen one flag flying from a car , a few guys wearing england rugby shirts...and thats it !!
I live in bristol ,work in milton keynes and weekend in slough , its the same everywhere
If it was the goony footballers everyone would know about it
red roses revival
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To quote a famous line "it's not the despair. I can stand despair. It's the hope I can't bear"
England despite being unfancied on paper gave it their all last Saturday against what was, a good and much fancied Australian side. In hindsight it's possible to conclude that some of that fancy was self-generated and the Wallabies, like the ABs are too inclined to believe their own press releases. The Aussies were however very gracious in defeat and are even now probably planning our undoing. The Kiwis by contrast are in a state of vitriolic denial which can only come about when you invest the whole pride of the nation, indeed its whole character, in a sports team.
But now, having resigned myself to despair long ago, the little needles of hope are pricking away in my mind. Could England win on Saturday? The head says no...the French are a classy outfit and can't be teased into imploding anymore. Their backrow is utterly fearsome and their half backs mercurial. But the heart...the heart says that anything is possible if you want it hard enough. Let's hope for a brilliant game, really hard but fair in the spirit of Rugby. Let's hope that it goes to wire like a real sporting contest, not some point accumulating procession that so many see as sport but is vastly inferior to the real thing. Vive le Sport and probably 14 - 9 to France.
To my Kiwi mates, your're still the best side in the world. You just can't win when it really matters. A bit like Napoleon really....I wasn't saying a word.
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Re comment #18. ITV dont seem to make much fuss about it do they. And the 成人论坛 never go overboard about a sport theyre not showing. Just imagine if Davey Beckingham and the rest of the golden generation were involved....yawn.
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Talking about jokes here is a good one:
What's the difference between the All Blacks and a tea-bag?
The tea-bag stays in the cup longer.
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England can win, so can France - that's why we are all so enthralled, the result is unknown - what I do think I know is that New Zealand and Australia will not win the next RWC either - nice feeling for knackered old Northern Hemisphere Rugby - but South Africa might just win this RWC and the next, have to admit to having had a few quid on them from the start - be really pleased to give up the winnings for an England victory.
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Ok this weekend once again the world champions are underdogs. Good they revel in it.
If France get off to a flyer then I can't see England winning having to play catch up rugby. However if it's tight and we nudge ahead, the crowd will get on the home teams back, the presssure will rise and cracks will appear. So for me this game will be won and lost in the first 20 and not the last 20 as usual.
England backs are due a bit of luck and with just a tad more composure or precision could have scored several tries against the Aussies. So hopefully BA will pick the same team and Catt and co will find the gaps and score some tries. Come on England an ugly win will do. Then bring on whoever?
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It was good to see the smaller nations like NZ and Australia able to make it to the later stages of the world cup. I always think it adds so much to a world cup when the minnows can spring a surprise like the Kiwis and the Aussies did in making it all the way to the quarter finals.
But inevitably it is the big rugby nations that play a more sophisticated multi-dimensional game that will contest the semi-finals.
This weekends semis promise to be truly big games - this is what teams go to the WC for.
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Can anyone help me with this question: what is the reason by keeping jason robinson, by far the most talented runner in the team, at fullback where he is unlikely to get the ball in dangerous situations?Also his lack of height does not seem like an advantage for the position.
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Re Post 25, I think Robinson at full back is to allow him to 'pop up' where ever he wants and thus maximise his attacking threat. Personally I agree with you though David, he doesn't have the out and out pace to play there in my book and his league style offence is best used in tight situations to stand up oppos in a 1-on-1.
I do think the optimism needs to be tempered however. Australia were woeful and we still didn't cross the whitewash. Does anyone really believe that the French scrum will buckle in the same way? The French backs are equally talented just not as physical and given more ball on the front foot will doubtless pose a greater threat. As against Australia, the key will be at the breakdown. If Moody and co. can knock Betsen and friends off the ball it's game on. If not ...
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ok maybe people were wrong to make england the underdogs against australia. but they are right to put them against france who knocked new zealand out of the wc. sorry but my money is on france although ill be shouting for england. i hope the english didnt get too carried away by the australian result becuae despite the fact that england did play well, they didnt score a single try and had to get their scores from penalties which will not happen v france.
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Come on Engurland, so we can put you out of your misery again!
Bok 36-0
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Maybe England might even score a try this weekend.
That would be so AWESOME.
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Maybe England might even score a try this weekend.
That would be so AWESOME.
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NEW ZEALAND HAVE 'NEVER' WON THE CUP
Yes its true! The all blacks have never won a properly contested world cup. A point that eludes all commentators and blogs is that the first world cup wasn't contested by the Springboks due to the sports boycott, and considering that the 'Bokke' are arguably consistently the best side in the world, the All Blacks can't lay claim to ever winning a properly contested competition.
So instead of playing to the All Black, lets rather say ... Go Bokke!.. and show whose boss!
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Whatever happens on Saturday, hats off to Brian Ashton. Hes somehow managed to put together a team from a cupboard that was left pretty bare after the last World Cup. The likes of Johnson, Back and Hill were truly world class players that have still not been replaced.
We have a set of forwards that can match France. So, much depends on Johnny and his boot and.... oh yes, our backs!
We've yet to see anything much from our backs, all of whom are professionals who are able to turn it on week after week in the premiership and in the Heineken Cup.
To beat France we need to have the confidence and more importantly create enough space to allow Wilko and Catt to move the ball and give the likes of Tait, Robinson and Sackey a chance to run at France.
Damien Traille is a good player but slightly slow and out of position. Clever movement of the ball could leave France somewhat over stretched.
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An unchanged side , as Eric Morecambe used to say , 'Now that's a novelty!" I go along with many comments here , England must start well and hopefully the Parisians will start to heckle their heroes. Lats week's performance won't be enough , England need a cutting edge and I think Jason might just be the man. Two games left for the pocket rocket and a try or two are just what the doctor ordered!
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Come on peeps....or i suppose hopefully the select few, if i here another post saying Australian didn't play well on saturday i think i'll loose faith in you! Will people please realise that the great ol' game of aussie running (and usually scoring tries) rugby wasn't allowed to happen at the weekend because of Englands utter dominance in the scrum and break down. YOU CAN'T SCORE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE BALL! They weren't given the chance to play there natural southern hemesphere game of haemorraging tries. Why do you think they were trying some shocker drop goal attempts so early on, totally against the aussie rugger boring England religion. Answer they panicked and crumpled as they were being firmly byatch slapped up front.
Have a little faith this weekend i don't think France deserve quite the pedestal we put them on. if Englands forwards play like they did on saturday and the backs break there line a bit more (which is why I think Farrell needs a run at some point) we can score the points.
Final note what do you think the odds would have been of France beating Australia last weekend...probably not good. Come on England if you play like last week plus Jonny actually scores some points (people forget he missed loads!)and the backs step up a gear we're into the land of milk and honey.
Sorry that was quite a rant but god i feel good!!
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I don't rmember Johnno looking happy until he just about cracked his face -- only when the final whistle had blown 22/11/03.
If you think we're paranoid about the match coming up, you should see some of the French blogs. They are, to coin a phrase, bricking it. They know they can do it, but they also know we can. Their big worry is not so much on the pitch as in the crowd. They know the English fans really get behind their team. They fear "Swing Low" because they know what a lift it gives the boys.
I can't be there -- lack of two essential commodities, time and money. But for everyone's sake, those who are there, let the Swing Low start before kick off and only finish when you're too plastered to remember whether we've won or lost!
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no 34- france would have beaten the aussies and would have scored at least 2 tries. how many tries did england score again? it was a great result for england in the psychological sense and gave them a much needed edge but honestly they will need to get tries v france and i dont see that happening.
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Me and missus had grossest misfortune to miss the two best games of modern history as we were on holiday in Rome.
We were exultant when we finally got hold of a copy of the DT in Campo dei Fiori at about 6pm on Sunday and got worthily blottoed on the strength of it.
But the couple who took over our apartment the next day were Aussies (bless!). My wife offered consolation and was rounded on by the husband. "And you never managed to get a try again."
No humility, no reflection - just whingeing. Why don't they realise that a fully-rounded game is a chess match,a process, not an event, an attrition, not a blitzkrieg. The picaresque, athletic sprint is no more beautiful than the ruck of the maul or the perfectly-conducted line-out. All is poetry. It's just that the Aussies achieved only doggerel.
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As a die hard Liverpool supporter, there is nothing like seeing our Lads win a rugby match against the Aussies (maybe THE final of 2005 an exception!!!) My first husband (as I like to call him) and I nearly came to blows for the week before the match ( if I hear..."well my head's telling me one thing and my heart's telling me another' once more I'll choke him!!
We were written off over here in Aus all bloody week but it's so good to hear them eating humble pie. (They have dredged thru all the sports this week to find an Aussie rugby victory, turns out the Aussie schoolboys beat the All Black schoolboys, honest!!!)
Anyway, get to the point, Cath, I cried my eyes out back in 2003 to see our boys knock out the Aussies in their own back yard. I'll sob again at 6 in the morning here when we do the same to the French. I prefer it when we don't stage the RWC in England!!!
By the way, the flags may not be out in the homeland but there's a big one in my window in Adelaide just like there was in 2003!
To coin a Leyton Hewitt phrase (Adelaide lad!) C"MON!!!!!!!!
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As a die hard Liverpool supporter, there is nothing like seeing our Lads win a rugby match against the Aussies (maybe THE final of 2005 an exception!!!) My first husband (as I like to call him) and I nearly came to blows for the week before the match ( if I hear..."well my head's telling me one thing and my heart's telling me another' once more I'll choke him!!
We were written off over here in Aus all bloody week but it's so good to hear them eating humble pie. (They have dredged thru all the sports this week to find an Aussie rugby victory, turns out the Aussie schoolboys beat the All Black schoolboys, honest!!!)
Anyway, get to the point, Cath, I cried my eyes out back in 2003 to see our boys knock out the Aussies in their own back yard. I'll sob again at 6 in the morning here when we do the same to the French. I prefer it when we don't stage the RWC in England!!!
By the way, the flags may not be out in the homeland but there's a big one in my window in Adelaide just like there was in 2003!
To coin a Leyton Hewitt phrase (Adelaide lad!) C"MON!!!!!!!!
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As a die hard Liverpool supporter, there is nothing like seeing our Lads win a rugby match against the Aussies (maybe THE final of 2005 an exception!!!) My first husband (as I like to call him) and I nearly came to blows for the week before the match ( if I hear..."well my head's telling me one thing and my heart's telling me another' once more I'll choke him!!
We were written off over here in Aus all bloody week but it's so good to hear them eating humble pie. (They have dredged thru all the sports this week to find an Aussie rugby victory, turns out the Aussie schoolboys beat the All Black schoolboys, honest!!!)
Anyway, get to the point, Cath. I cried my eyes out back in 2003 to see our boys knock out the Aussies in their own back yard. I'll sob again at 6 in the morning here when we do the same to the French. I prefer it when we don't stage the RWC in England!!!
By the way, the flags may not be out in the homeland but there's a big one in my window in Adelaide just like there was in 2003!
To coin a Leyton Hewitt phrase (Adelaide lad!) C"MON!!!!!!!!
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