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joan and other things

  • Fi Glover
  • 27 Oct 06, 12:39 PM

So this Saturday we have the pleasure and the privilege of having Joan Bakewell as our studio guest. She's a grand dame of broadcasting so I want you all to behave in her presence - I certainly intend to.

And yes, I know, I have just ended that sentence with a preposition, but it allows me to make my way seemlessly to my next point.

It is about the word 'to'. Paula, one of our listeners, wrote to me in desperate tones about my pronunciation of the word 'to'. It makes alot of people angry because apparently I say 'ter' instead of 'to. I do promise that this week I shall make a special effort to say 'to' in a way that is pleasingly 'to' all of you. Ok?

Just don't go the whole hog on me and do what one listener to Broadcasting House did which was 'to' phone the Listeners Log and complain about the way I say the word 'the'.

There is only so much criticism a girl can take.

'bye for now.....

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  1. At 09:18 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Richard wrote:

    Help! I'm a malingering snorer - so exactly what is a "mandibular advancement device"?????

    What exactly does one look like?

    Is it surgically fitted?!

    Where can I get one?????

    HELP!

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  2. At 09:23 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Alex Berman wrote:

    i've never had a problem with a human partner snoring, but my cat snores. it's become a problem in the last couple of years as she's become older and sleeps more deeply. my cat, called Cat has also taken to 'singing' at about 2/3/4am in the morning. between the 'singing' and the snoring, i'm left really tired. the cat is fine.

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  3. At 09:25 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Arabella wrote:

    Dear Fi,

    your great programme seems to be turning into that dreadful one called Home Truths. You have had a coupld talking about snoring , then a man in a cab about philosophy. It is going to get worse? Please stick to your original format with interesting journalists etc .

    You have the perfect radio voice full of wit and irony. You cheer me up on a damp Satuday morning.

    Arabella.

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  4. At 09:26 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Paul wrote:

    Your story on snoring was fascinating. You are absolutely correct to say that it can seriously disrupt a marriage - it still is! You asked about the effect on partners...My wife started snoring when she was pregnant with our children. The noise would penetrate walls and could wake me up across a brick wall. Interestingly now that our children are 3 and 6 they can all snuggle up together and sleep calmly through the noise while their dad has to retreat to the end of the house - so maybe it is soothing for the children.

    But please please please give some more information about a 'mandibular advancement device' - how does one get one, who does one contact - dont leave everyone hanging there...

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  5. At 09:27 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Jed Murray wrote:

    please can you give the me information you gave regarding cures for snoring as my wife is talking about divorce proceedings if I carry on snoring.
    regards Jed

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  6. At 09:33 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Victoria wrote:

    Snoring!

    My husband sometimes snores. When I wake him up to stop him saying 'You're snoring!' he replies with 'Who's snoring?' Always confuses me as there are only the 2 of us in the bed.

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  7. At 09:40 AM on 28 Oct 2006, fiona clai brown wrote:

    About snoring.
    I used earplugs for 17 years. very effective.

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  8. At 09:48 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Eddie wrote:

    I did think that Joan was a little unkind to Zeno of Citium - the founder of stoicism. The ancient stoics beleived in tolerating things that cannot be changed so as to save their energy to make their lives happier. So if a storm destroys your house, don't rail againts the gods - get on and rebuild your house (then turn down the thermostat to reduce global warming).

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  9. At 09:53 AM on 28 Oct 2006, wrote:

    Dear Fi


    It seems that you, or your producers paid attention to my, or somebody's complaint about adding background music to speech a week or two again. I don't have time to listen every week or through a whole programme, but I heard enough this morning to notice the volume being turned down when a speaker began talking (though not quite fast enough in one or two cases).


    Thank you very much. It makes a big difference to someone whose hearing mechanisms have diminished capacity to segment speech from background sounds.


    In one case you did it very well, and I wished you hadn't: there was delightful harp music behind one of your speakers, and the harp music, though played very softly (thanks) was so good that I paid no attention to the speaker. I don't even remember who it was, or what he/she was talking about. Whether that is an argument for or against playing totally irrelevant music behind speech I don't know, but on this occasion, a very rare one, I enjoyed it.


    Incidentally, Jack Liebeck, whose grandparents Hans and Pam are very good friends and taught me mathematics many years ago, lost the debate about creativity and the Suzuki method!


    Best wishes.


    Aaron


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  10. At 09:54 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Sandy Tyndale-Biscoe wrote:

    I have just listened to Joan Bakewell's patronising response to Nickie's description of her "angel" experience. I have long admired Ms Bakewell, as a beacon of intelligent understanding of the world about her, but her response is so typical of a certain type of "rationalist" - when they encounter something they don't understand, or which doesn't seem to fit into their world model, they dismiss it as non-existent. She added to the insult by saying that this non-existent experience was very important.

    Can she not break through her prejudices? The experience was obviously real. Something needs to be explained.

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  11. At 10:30 AM on 28 Oct 2006, David Hale wrote:

    Heard with much interest the comments about snoring, and sympathize with the couple you featured. I too suffer from sleep apnoea (a frequent cause of snoring) but of the type which allows my throat to close up totally. My body then wakes me up, taking me from the fourth to the third level of sleep. This can happen a hundred times an hour or more, and effectively means that I get no proper sleep at all. I have a MAD, but because I live alone I have no means of knowing whether I make the loud noise (snore) when my body wakes me up and allows me to breathe again. Doctors still don't know or care about the affliction, and there are very few sleep clinics available - and then only at great cost, for hiring/acquiring a CPAP mask. It is a massive problem nationwide, and the NHS doesn't know or care, aparently.

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  12. At 10:31 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Bruni Jones wrote:

    Hello Fi,
    I'm another chronic snorer - terrified to fall asleep on long haul flights etc. More details about the MAD please. Can you e-mail me? I'll be away for a couple of weeks so won't hear the programme which, incidentally, I much enjoy. Thank you for your snoring piece - it could be a life-saver for me!
    Bruni Jones

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  13. At 10:37 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Frederick wrote:

    Good Programme. Couple of crits.:

    How did Nicky get down from the tree?

    Why no repost to Bakewell big statement about missing angels when paraglider first came undone? My answer? - Our world would be pointless even non-existant if everything was sorted before it happened.

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  14. At 11:11 AM on 28 Oct 2006, rachel langton wrote:

    i cannot get in contact with the british snoring.co.uk - only mail article

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  15. At 11:12 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Mrs. Brenda Williams wrote:

    Where can we obtain a mandibular advancement device please...Many thanks

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  16. At 11:14 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Jean Draper wrote:

    More info about the "Mandibular advancement device"

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  17. At 11:14 AM on 28 Oct 2006, Maria Williams - Saturday Live Exec Producer wrote:

    Many thanks for all your snoring comments. Just a reminder that for more information on snoring you can call the 成人论坛's Action Line on 0800 044 044. The device that suited Alan isn't right for every snoring condition, but the Action Line experts will point you in the right direction and they're open 24 hours a day.
    All the best
    Maria
    Saturday Live

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  18. At 12:48 PM on 28 Oct 2006, Ruth Cheesman wrote:

    It is great to hear programmes about people and lives and living rather than just politics and news. The articles in the programme are often captivating and moving. I do like the idea of life philosophies, we can learn so much from the motivations and inspriations of the people we usually just find compounding the traffic jams around us.

    However I do find the presentation of the programme slightly too informal and unorganised. It has elements of a children's saturday morning show, and can be slightly condenscending; being probably one of your younger listerners (in my 20's), this is not something I expect of Radio 4. The chat between articles is often pointless, I'm not that interested in Radio 4's strategic planning meetings due to happen this week or how the presenters meet their time checks. It is notable at 10 o'clock where Excessive Baggage has a much more professional presentation.

    Good programme, but could be great.

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  19. At 07:29 PM on 28 Oct 2006, Patrick Morley wrote:

    Hello Feeg Lover,

    Philosophy for living? The secret is this:
    Don't mind what happens. Whatever happens,
    don't mind. If you mind, you react, if you react
    you set up friction, possibly even aggression.
    Ultimately, whatever happens was meant to happen. This does not mean you acquiese to evil. That which you see to be wrong, take action to remedy. But do it in calmness and with peace in your heart. That's it.

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  20. At 01:51 PM on 29 Oct 2006, Bill Bradbury wrote:

    David Hale -it's called sleep aponia with which I have been diagnosed. If so I now have to inform the DVLA as if I have an accident my insurance would be void and if I kill anyone I would be guilty of manslaughter.
    To get treatment you have to go private as there is a 12 month waiting list for the mask and equipment you describe, so to continue driving you are forced down the Private route.
    Whether the "ban" is voluntary until you get treated I will find out when I ring the DVLA tomorrow. The must be a procedure otherwise those that rely on driving for a living, sleep aponia appears to be the equivalent of a Drink Driving Ban.

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  21. At 08:55 AM on 31 Oct 2006, M Richards wrote:

    PLEASE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHERE TO GET
    "THE mANDIBUL ADVANCEMENT DEVICE">

    MANY THANKS
    Monalisa

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  22. At 11:11 AM on 31 Oct 2006, Ken Lambourne wrote:

    Singing Exercises have helped me with my Snoring and Apnoea problems. If you want to read my story, it is on Marianne and Alan Davey's website forum

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