Ireland's close call
- 5 Feb 07, 09:33 AM
Belfast - Jeepers, ! Somebody hadn鈥檛 read the original script at the Millennium Stadium.
Shame on those darn Welshmen trying to spoil Ireland鈥檚 party before it even started. Do they not realise that Ireland have not won the Grand Slam for nearly 60 years!
Okay, the Irish did win in the end, and I suppose you could not argue about chalking up three tries to zilch. But let鈥檚 be honest, it was a fairly ugly, dog-day victory only punctuated by sublime performances by Gordon D鈥橝rcy and Denis Leamy.
While D鈥橝rcy and Welsh scrum-half Dwayne Peel were the apple of the pundit鈥檚 eyes, I have to say that for me Leamy was the outstanding player on the field.
When Ireland were struggling to keep a finger off the self-destruct button in the first half, it was the Munster number eight that gave them some stability as they struggled to get out of neutral.
In harness with his forward momentum, he snaffled at least three turnovers to kill Welsh momentum when Ireland were stuck on the back foot in the face of some excellent Welsh advances. His defensive work in the opening 40 minutes was incredible.
As usual, though, it was the piano players that were highlighted as they are out in open field while the piano movers go unnoticed in the dark tunnels of the combat zone.
D鈥橝rcy again confirmed that he is the form midfield player in Europe at present. For one of such small stature, he sure does punch his weight in both attack and defence.
He has overshadowed his centre partner Brian O鈥橠riscoll, who because of being Brian O鈥橠riscoll, enables D鈥橝rcy to use the space created by opposition fear.
Peel, meanwhile, was the inspiration for Wales to keep nibbling at Ireland, particularly in that first half. He had a superb game.
How Ireland managed to turn around at half-time in the lead is still a mystery. Undoubtedly, the referee will come under some focus in the post-mortem. They always do.
Mr Bleaker will be criticised for a couple of calls, most notably when he pulled up James Hook for an imaginary free-kick.
That call kept Ireland down in the Welsh 22 and a few minutes later, Ronan O鈥橤ara slid in for try number three. Game over.
Some may also have felt that his yellow card was glued to his pocket after Ireland did slow down ruck ball. Simon Easterby, who is so exquisite in that department, was smiling all day.
But at least Wales were not completely stitched up the way Scotland were when Jonny Wilkinson dived over with his leg trailing in touch, as the video showed afterwards when it went 鈥渦pstairs鈥.
The TMO was an Irishman too. Giving England a try like that could get him excommunicated!
Anyway back to the harum-scarum game in Cardiff. The biggest disappointment from Ireland鈥檚 point of view was the .
I always said that if Ireland are to win anything this season, it will not be down to the twinkle toes out in the backs but the grunters up front, with O鈥機onnell leading the charge.
But the Munsterman just did not etch his normally robust play on the game.
However, he did at least lend his considerable weight to an Irish scrum that against all the odds, dominated the Welsh.
His line-out steal near the end of the game was also straight out of his normal locker of goodies.
It was a delight to see Geordan Murphy apply a neat little 10-minute cameo when he came on for Denis Hickie, who shed more than a little blood for the cause.
Murphy was not too amused at being left on the bench for the game, but his typically brilliant piece of individualism enabled his captain to score the second try.
That鈥檚 the best way to give the coach a little nudge.
Ireland are notably bad starters in the championship, but for all of 46 seconds that notion looked to be put to bed when Rory Best (where did he appear from?) scored.
However, that only proved to be a hindrance as Wales appeared to be spurred on by that early error by Stephen Jones.
But a win is a win. To play well below normal standards, and commit an unusual amount of errors, says a lot, and winning in Cardiff could be the start of something special.
But alas, there could be a sting in the tail (or tale) from Cardiff. The injury to Ireland鈥檚 two most potent attackers (or defenders, take your pick) cannot be overlooked.
We will have to wait until the ice on the injuries melt later in the week to ascertain the extent of the .
Anything more serious than a twinge, and it looks as if O鈥橠riscoll鈥檚 is, and it could change the whole nature of Ireland鈥檚 history-making game against next week at Croke Park.
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So who exactly is Wayne Peel?!!
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This article makes a very fair point which is that Ireland really were ordinary for alot of the first half, but came good turning ball over from the welsh as the game went on....
I, for one, wasnt impressed by the irish. I feel that Wales lost this game, mainly due to being a little bit too lateral, and definatly not taking thier chances when it counted most!
Credit to Ireland, didnt leak any tries and wern't run off the park. Im still backing France to beat them next week, espcially if BOD and Darcy dnt recover from thier knocks.
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I'd expect the 成人论坛 to be able to spell the scrum half of the Lions and Wales correctly. Wayne Peel? Shame on you!
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As an England fan I will try to be as neutral as possible in my appraisal of the game in Cardiff.
There is no doubt about Leamy played an absolute blinder yesterday and if anyone wants to know why Ireland won, they need look no further than this man, awesome!!
However, as with the TMO in the England game, the ref had an absolute shocker, and but for that it could have been different! But hey, a team who can play badly or committ offence after offence in the forwards and still win is the sign of a bloody good team, much the same as England achieved in the run up to 2003 World Cup, so hat's off to the Irish.
I do fear for them against the French. The french pack will test the Irish moreover than the welsh managed and will probably do them up front. If BOD and D'arcy's injuries are bad and they miss next weeks game I fancy the french to nick a win at Croke Park.
However, knowing Laporte's bizarre fascination for team rotation, he may pick a different team and Ireland could well win.
As for Wales, not sure where they go really, they were expected to compete up front, sadly there were far too many occassions where they were bullied, secondly, as well as they played in the first half, didn't convert many opportunities. Granted, poor referring didn't help.
Hook, had a similar debut to Tait, got bullied a bit and didn't show the form he showed for Osprey's and perhaps Henson's added bulk would have helped?
As Wales have Scotland next I expect them to rectify this, and in Dwayne Peel they have one of the best scrum halves in the world, let alone the northern hemisphere, and some electrifying backs if the forwards can give them a platform, sadly for Wales, it's a bif IF!!!
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"I've always said if Ireland are to win anything then it鈥檚 down to the twinkle-toes of the backs and the grunt of the forwards"
Glad you're narrowing it down to just backs and forwards, you ought to be an international coach with visionary foresight like that!
...and as for harping on about Wilkinson's try. Boring! Every England fan knows it was a really bad TMO call but so what? Maybe it was fair due for no penalty for pushing JW off the ball 5m out in the 1st half? Point is, it wasn't a match deciding wrong call, unlike your Ireland's Horgan against England last time. Scotland were out played and well beaten (and their try involved a foul in the line out) and I hope for Ireland's sake O'Sullivan is not so dumb and blinkered by rasicm as to see only one irrelevant call as the highlight of England鈥檚 game.
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Yeah! Go Ireland, I'm part Englisn and Irish so have split loyalties, but Ireland's 6 decades without a Grand slam swings it for me. That was the last hard away game, win in Italy, win in Edinburgh and the two big guns at home. What a huge win it was yesterday, so important. Irish eyes are smiling.:)
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As an England fan I will try to be as neutral as possible in my appraisal of the game in Cardiff.
There is no doubt about Leamy played an absolute blinder yesterday and if anyone wants to know why Ireland won, they need look no further than this man, awesome!!
However, as with the TMO in the England game, the ref had an absolute shocker, and but for that it could have been different! But hey, a team who can play badly or committ offence after offence in the forwards and still win is the sign of a bloody good team, much the same as England achieved in the run up to 2003 World Cup, so hat's off to the Irish.
I do fear for them against the French. The french pack will test the Irish moreover than the welsh managed and will probably do them up front. If BOD and D'arcy's injuries are bad and they miss next weeks game I fancy the french to nick a win at Croke Park.
However, knowing Laporte's bizarre fascination for team rotation, he may pick a different team and Ireland could well win.
As for Wales, not sure where they go really, they were expected to compete up front, sadly there were far too many occassions where they were bullied, secondly, as well as they played in the first half, didn't convert many opportunities. Granted, poor referring didn't help.
Hook, had a similar debut to Tait, got bullied a bit and didn't show the form he showed for Osprey's and perhaps Henson's added bulk would have helped?
As Wales have Scotland next I expect them to rectify this, and in Dwayne Peel they have one of the best scrum halves in the world, let alone the northern hemisphere, and some electrifying backs if the forwards can give them a platform, sadly for Wales, it's a bif IF!!!
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That would be Welsh scrum half 'Dwayne Peel' would it not? :)
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Come on lads, get a hold of yourselves, it's just a spelling mistake, he left out the 'd', BIG DEAL. Hardly the point of the exercise!!
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I think Ireland were very, very lucky indeed.Definite penalty try and sin-binning for the Ireland forward who did it.When they edged in front they just infringed constantly with no player entering the 'bin' knowing that Wales needed tries not penalties to win the game.A very cynical performance and there's no way this Irish side will win the GS with these negative 'spoiing' tactics - why are they favourites anyway?
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Considering the injuries that Wales had I am proud of the way they handled the so-called favourites. As I suspected the Welsh centres were the weak link and but for some key absentees and some shocking refereeing (Czekaj tackled without the ball in the corner) we could have won this one. Good luck to Ireland but if they don't wise up then they can forget the Grandslam.
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Thanks for a good article. Nicely written and balanced, hitting all the right points. Thanks.
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A very frustrating game from a Welsh point of view and I echo TheBardman's comments. Bit of speed on the wing and there could have been a couple of tries for Wales. It may be a bit harsh, but I just don't understand the faith in Hal Luscombe and I don't know why he was picked over Dafydd James.
We also talk about refs decisions (there were some dodgy ones), and fair play to Ireland they won the game, but for me the kick in the teeth arrived when the officials picked up all the forward passes. Southern Hemisphere officials seem to gloss over that usually as if they don't exist (New Zealnand seem to pick up half their points from forward passes - sounds stupid but the lions tour was a farce on that front).
However a bit of luck and some pacemen out wide and Wales will win a few games yet.
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Most of the stats favoured Wales in the post game analysis - we managed to lose the game rather than the Irish win it. I thought all the welsh players played well on the whole except stephen jones who is weak defensively and too conservative a playmaker to suit the welsh playing style. Change him I say.
One other disappointment was the welsh under the highball - pathetic really and so easy to correct!
Good luck to Irish for the rest of the championship
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I agree with your assessment of Leamy, he was immense, but another unsung hero was John Hayes, he was everywhere and id be interested to see his tackle count, because the guy made some massive hits and helped in Turing over a lot of ball Wales saw him as a weakness in the scrum and he responded by giving a very solid performance. Ok he will never be the best scrumager, but he had a good game on sun.
Ireland have a lot to do for next week.
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As a Welshman it is very refreshing to read the above balanced piece of journalism written by an Irishman. Most Irish fans seem to believe that the Welsh are a bunch of moaning minnies after the weekend when in actual fact all we have done on other Blogs is to point to an incredibly poor refereeing performance and the lack of talent/pace out wide costing us the game. Whilst the Welsh forwards are certainly not whiter than white, I have always felt that the Welsh are incredibly naive on times in not playing the referee. If you have a ref who refuses to brandish a yellow card for interference at the breakdown then you have to ensure you slow down opposition ball as much (if not more) than the other team. The Irish played the ref far better than the Welsh on Saturday and that combined with the lack of our 1st choice wingers led to the defeat. I agree with the previous poster that without BOD and Darcy Ireland will lose to France on the weekend. If both the centres are fit (both were superlative in attack and defence on Sunday) then the Men in Green (with the Croke Park factor) will ensure that Oirish Eyes are Smiling.
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"Mr Bleaker will be criticised for a couple of calls, most notably when he pulled up James Hook for an imaginary free-kick."
The referee was absolutely right. You don't have to tap the ball or kick it; beginning the movement to kick is enough. Hook did that and stopped.
The referee did not decide this game. Ireland had more finishers and better defence. Those factors secured victory.
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Ireland's game against Wales was much tougher than Englands or Frances opening match... England beat a team that are so bad that they shoudn't even be playing in the 6 nations, Scotland, they were awful, and England's media again are hyping up the team as GREAT, SUPER, AMAZING... All because they beat the worst Scotland team EVER!!! They will get a lesson how to play rugby when they visit the sacred grass of Croke Park
Colm
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My only grudge in what was a great game is Jonathan Davies. Good Knowledge of the game, Articulate, Passionate, but oh so Biased - although not in the class of Brian Moore, who must remember he is a commentator rather than cheerleader.
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Good article! I think Ireland played quite well yesterday - just because we didn't bag a string of tries and win convincingly, doesn't mean we didn't perform well. In all fairness, our defence was rock solid, we never looked like giving away a try even though we were under the cosh big style for probably 65% of the game! And ireland are reputable bad starters - remember last year against Italy in our opening game, we were appauling! I do think Ireland played the ref very well and it's actually adding a new dimension to rugby games - How well can a team play the ref...
At least O'Gara has got his bad game out of the way. Let's hope Drico and Darcy are match fit and we should take the French at home! Good start to the campaign, onwards and upwards...
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Some people seem to forget that defence in a game of rugby is as important as attack. Ireland defended extremely well against a very strong Welsh team and also attacked very well resulting in 3 tries to nil. Job done. Look at the All Blacks, they have no problem letting sides attack them because they have confidnece in their defence and know they will overturn their attackers. You cannot compare this game to the two Saturday games, at least it was a contest.
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Typical that people focus on a spelling mistake and not the article. What a game. It made all the other games look ordinary. The fact the welsh couldnt score a try was down to being clinical. Something the Irish are. The Welsh only have themselves to blame whatever else they try to point out. I think Geordan and Flannery need to get a run against a dangerous French side. I think that was our hardest game of the championship.
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Why were we so out of sorts up yesterday? What happened our continuity game? Why did everything seem so hassled?
Credit to Wales - they drove us hard. But there really was a sense that, with the exception of some brilliant finishing by the Irish backs, we were somewhat predictable. Gone was the ball retention, the multiple phases, the forwards and backs interchanging (seen so perfectly against Australia), the general tightness to our game...
Sometimes it felt like the Welsh had one extra man, they hassled us so much. It felt like our pack was constantly on the rear foot - even though the stats appeared to show a level pegging.
The answer I believe lies at scrum half. Stringer, although wonderfully fierce competitor, scares no opposition whatsoever. His only real ability to take pressure off the pack lies in passing the ball out the line. His kicking still looks juvenile and he cannot keep and opposition back row guessing/worried.
Our pack may be high in skill, but it's somewhat average on power. But Stringer is a complete lightweight - he was well attended to yesterday and his lack of repertoire showed unfortunately. At times I wondered whether we'd be better off having an automated machine flinging the ball out the line.
In order to take on France next week we need a scrum half who can take on the opposition directly around the fringes of scrums, rucks and mauls, someone who can give our fleet of foot pack momentum on his own. We're at our most dangerous after multiple phases when we've broken down structured play, not when we throw the ball around after two or three phases.
Unfortunately for Stringer, O'Gara is no longer dependent on his superb pass for a sense of security. I believe it's time for Boss to get the nod, making breaks constantly and passing to O'Gara when judicious. Betsen, Chabal and co. won't be half as forgiving as the Welsh...
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Lads... Come on... This is a blog! Are you really saying the 成人论坛 should be ashamed about spelling mistakes on a blog?
Back to the rugby please.
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Apologies but i haven't stop laughing since hearing that Ronan O'Gara is apparently the 2nd best fly half in the world.....
Jees what is the world coming to!
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What a game and the best of the weekend. A few people are asking why ireland are favourites? The main reason is that every other 6 nation team got beaten in the autumn so somebody has to take it on. The bookies wouldnt make any money otherwise. Ireland played like new zealand in the loose. Cynical and clinical.
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Mmmm. don't know if this is the right forum,....
....But,
Can anyone explain
(a) Ronan O'Gara's decision to charge down James Hook before he (Hook)commenced his run up to kick? and
(b) the referee agreeing with O'Gara that the ball was justifiably in play? and
(c)why no one else - either on the Irish side or the Welsh side spotting the (move?)that put the ball in play???
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I counted 4 yellow cards against Ireland, 3 for penalties in the red zone all of which should have resulted in penalty tries; none given. I am convinced that a northern hemisphere referee would have produced a different result, with Wales coming out the winners.
For the avoidance of any charge of sour grapes, I am 3 parts Scot and 1 part Irish.
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No complaints about the article or the comments. Ireland dodged a bullet yesterday and got away with it against the hundred-mile-an-hour broken-play cavalry charges of Wales. Its the same sort of high-risk welsh flair that won them so many friends in 2005, but in the absence of their top finishers it just didn't come off. Ireland won ugly, yet the three tries that they scored were excellent.
Realistically neither France nor England faced serious tests this weekend (sorry Scots!). Both had home ties against the weakest teams, so its hard to judge how well they are placed. Ireland have faced a trial-by-fire and will be stronger for it. Mind you, I worry also that the Welsh challenge might collapse now that they have lost to us.
France next for us, and unlike most people I don't think Croke Park will be an advantage. The emotion and the sense of history will mean nothing to France, and for us its an unfamiliar stadium. ROG can find Landsdowne's corners in his sleep; Croke Park is different. It will also be disconcerting as the Gaelic pitch is so massive that the rugby lines will be like a postage stamp in the middle. Sight lines for kickers will be a problem.
If BOD is fit I fancy Ireland to win. If not, then its genuinely 50/50.
England to beat Italy after the usual 60-minute fright, and Wales to do a number on the hapless Scots.
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Hi, about the Peel error - my fingers were red hot on the keyboard after the game, hence the Wayne for Dwayne.
Ah well, nobody's perfect. Back to typing class for me, I'll have to slow down from 60 wpm to 40. Thanks for spotting it.
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I knew once Drico had scored his try that Ireland would win this game.
I think Wales have been given far too much credit by everybody. You must score tries to win.... without Ireland's sloppy discipline in the first half Wales wouldn't have still been in touch. For all the Welsh posession they couldn't cut a strong Irish defence. Ireland tightened up on discipline and Wales didn't score in the second half. Wales may beat Scotland, will beat Italy and might by the grace of God, just might get a result against England or France. Bottom line is Ireland made them look good.
I was very surprised to see the hulabaloo made about Easterby's challenge on Cjeka... it's a mans game, this isn't soccer. He challenged for the ball and had every right to.
Thank God for Darcy and Leamy who were rocks amongst a very sloppy perfomance.
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The still photograph plus the video highlights of the Easterby / Czekaj "incident" clearly show that Easterby made an attempt for the ball and not the player. You could argue that in not getting to it he impeded Czekaj, but in fact Czekaj still got to the ball first, gathered it, and knocked it on in a tackle with Dempsey. And so what if he impeded him? To obstruct is one thing, to impede if you are attempting to play the ball is another. Players "impede" each other all the time trying to get to the ball first. If the incident had happened on the halfway line we would not be talking about it. It was just two players going for a ball. He was not "taken out".
I watched the match for a second time last night. Ireland competed far more effectively on the ground for the ball because their selected backrow are far more effective at that part of the game. Wales essentially picked 2 No. 8s to play a running / offloading still with little or no rucking. Ireland have 3 backrow players all capable of playing at 7 and infact Easterby is more of a groundhog than a 6.
One thing I did notice was the number of times players went of their feet and/or drove in from the wrong side and/or didn't roll away. The chief offenders were O'Callaghan and Gough but especially Horseman. The ref picked up DOC twice (he could have been carded with no complaints) but missed most of it.
Despite the fact that Wales shaded the possession they didn't have the territory, especially in the second half, and the Irish defence was too strong.
Plusses for Ireland: 1) No tries conceded 2) Scrum was very good (especially the wheel at the end) 3) lineout was fine 4) defence 5) D'Arcy, Leamy, Easterby, Murphy (in his cameo), ROG (second half) 6) WINNING
Plusses for Wales: 1) Offloading / running / tempo of game 2) Peel, Wynn Jones, Morgan 3) Only losy by 10 points considering number of injuries in backline.
Minus for Ireland: 1) Injuries, 2) ROG (first half), 3) General touchkicking
Minus for Wales: 1) Inexperienced players looked inexperienced at times 2) No tries and very few linebreaks 3) Defence 4) Losing at home.
Best of luck to Wales for the rest of the season, and I hope they stick with the game plan and get their first backline out, because it is great to watch.
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As a neutral Englishman, who had a few bob riding on an Irish win, I was frankly disappointed with Ireland. How long do they need to loiter on the wrong side of the offside line before they are regarded as infringing? How many times can they fail to roll away after the tackle before the ref blows for a penalty? A cynical display and one which was worthy of the AB's in terms of that except they didn't 'block' the runner after a chip forward(but wasn't Jerry Collins Irish anyway?). As for that tackle which should have resulted in a penalty try, what can you say???? I hope a NH ref will deal with these issues as they should have been against Wales.
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"But at least Wales were not completely stitched up the way Scotland were when Jonny Wilkinson dived over with his leg trailing in touch". That was a shocking decision but no worse than ignoring Easterby's tackle on Czekaj when he would have scored and didn't actually have the ball.
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Wales weren't completely stitched up the way Scotland were?
Scotland had a try gifted to their opponents when it shouldn't have been, fair enough, bad mistake, but they had already lost the game at that point and it had no impact on the result.
Wales on the other hand had Easterby's impeding of Czekaj which should have been a penalty try for a 16-12 lead and then the free kick incident mentioned, which lead to the Irish third try. If that's not completely stitched up, I don't know what is!
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To Mr Stokes:
Some would say that Wilko's try against Scotland was acceptable considering Horgan's foot in touch and therefore non-try against England last year.
The latter of course, slightly more important given that England would have won that day had it not been for yet another case of scandalous refereeing for Ireland.
Once again Ireland get the luck of green where the ref is concerned. It happened today, it happened against England last year and the year before and it happened against Italy last year.
A penalty try should have also been given for Easterby's off the ball tackle on Check-Eye
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Sure the Wales Ireland game was very exciting and (I'm a welshman) a well deserved win for the visitors. However it would have been a real classic had the referee done his duty in keeping the ball alive. Ensuring the tackler rolls away immediately makes for good fast ball for the backs against a disorganised and often retreating defence, resulting in more tries scored. Surely that's what we all want to see.
Still beggars the question why the Welsh forwards wern't prepared to sort it themselves with some "footwork". May cost you a couple of penalties but at least it forces the ref to act!
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Ireland certainly got the rub of the green on the refereeing, but Wales did have six points gifted to them in the first half that swung the momentum in their favour. If I was feeling hard done by at half time, I certainly couldn't complain at full time though. Regardless, I thought Ireland were the better side on balance and just about deserved their win over a good team. Good result and good play.
The key weakness on the Irish side that allowed Wales to achieve so much territory and possession in the first half was Ronan O'Gara, who put in about 5 lamentable licks in a row at one stage. He improved in the second half, but a really good player just wouldn't much up that many kicks in a row. Stringer and O'Gara are two weaknesses in an otherwise scintillating back line. Wales were very unlucky not to capitalise on the territory they gained/O'Gara gifted them, but huge praise goes to the Irish pack for weathering a succession of attacks and dis-rupting Wales so effectively. The whole back row, O'Callaghan and Hayes had great games. The backs also did a fine defensive job, D'Arcy, Hickie and O'Driscol were huge despite all being injured.
The problem against France and England is that our scrum will get beaten. Horan will need to be replaced by Simon Best, who whilst not being as good a player, is a proven scrummager. I'd also change Stringer for Boss and Trimble for Murphy (if Trimble isn't put into the centre to cover for O'Driscol's injury). If D'Arcy and O'Driscol are both forced out of the game, we can conclude that this wasn't meant to be our year again.
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To Mr Stokes:
Some would say that Wilko's try against Scotland was acceptable considering Horgan's foot in touch and therefore non-try against England last year.
The latter of course, slightly more important given that England would have won that day had it not been for yet another case of scandalous refereeing for Ireland.
Once again Ireland get the luck of green where the ref is concerned. It happened today, it happened against England last year and the year before and it happened against Italy last year.
A penalty try should have also been given for Easterby's off the ball tackle on Check-Eye
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So Ireland didn't play well? Big deal. We used to have to play a blinder to win a game, nice to be able to win without conceding a try having played badly. Both teams undoubtedly made mistakes but the difference was Ireland recovered from ours before being punished.
Yes we can't afford to be so patchy against France but I for one am going to enjoy when a bad game means winning by ten instead of when a good game meant losing by it.
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Oh, and by the way, the fact thathe dripped the ball even when he did get to it shows that it was a penalty not a penalty try as he wasn't certain to score. and immediately after didnt Wales get a penalty which they kicked to the corner and failed to score from. No disrespect intended towards the Welsh players because they did better than most people thought they would beforehand. But some fans should perhaps keep the occassional refereeing decision in perspective.
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What a pulsating game of rugby football union Wales and Ireland served up. As an Irish supporter I was glued to the screen and my stomach was turning over with excitement. An absolute joy to watch compared to the one sided affairs served up by England/Scotland and Italy/France and New Zealand/anyone that have recently been on TV!
I thought the Irish pack were awesome to a man much was said about the pack after the Leicester V Munster game in the Heineken and yes Leicester dominated but frankly I think the Munster pack just had a rank bad game that night and the pack with 6 munster players played more true to form on Sunday.
Back to the 6 nations I fancy Ireland to go and beat France at Croke park the atmosphere will be electric and the French are not good travellers plus Italy were shocking just shocking
I wonder is there any chance whatsoever of dear old Bill McClaren being brought back to commentate the 成人论坛 is in danger of ruining the game as a TV sport when they let such blatently biased pundits namely Moore and davies get so much talk time during the games - Moore could not control his excitement when Lamont spilled the ball to let the English in for a try and as for Davies whingeing and moaning and looking for yellow cards does he not want to see exciting rugby? if a team is reduced in numbers then it becomes uneven and spoils the spectacle, I for one congratulate the ref in the Wales Ireland game for letting it flow - rugby is very hard to referee there is so much going on so the fact he let the game flow was good in my opinion, sure he got a couple of decisions wrong but fair play to both sides I didn't hear either coaches or players whingeing about decisions only TV pundits!
Winning away from home in International rugby when two sides are relatively close is no mean feat so I think Ireland can be best pleased with the weekends work
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Loafer, your snide comment was based on you being too lazy to read the article properly.
"I always said that if Ireland are to win anything this season, it will not be down to the twinkle toes out in the backs but the grunters up front, with O鈥機onnell leading the charge."
Perhaps this smaller bit will be easier for you to understand.
There aere at least 7 or 8 occasions when Welsh players blatantly entered rucks and mauls fron=m the side and were not penalised. They continually lay over the ball and threw themselves onto the wrong side after tackles were made. Plenty of ammo for yellow cards also but as supporters of the winning side are usually too generous to whinge on about these offences - (and dragging down mauls near or on the line)- little is actually said. If Ireland were fortunate to keep all their players on the field, the same goes for Wales. The referee was very poor and yet again we are denied a decent game in certain respects because we have these referees dumped on us in every 6 Nations. In the Ireland v. France game,we have Steve Walsh foisted upon us. He should never be allowed to referee a game involving Ireland given his history of being suspended as a consequence of his behaviour towards an Irish player. He also is a poor example of southern Hemisphere refereeing. He is awful.
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Think the law regarding the award of penalty tries is about a score having been probable rather than "certain". Keith Wood thought it a penalty and I think Easterby's opinion later that he'd been street-wise says it all about his intent really. 16-12 with one in the bin (not before time) could have been a very different story.
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It was refreshing to watch a good hard game of Rugby yesterday it saved an otherwise poor weekend of six nations.
Noted Ireland main weakness was Peter Stringers poor ball distribution, however things should improve for next week with Isaac Boss standing in for Stringer who apparently has a hairline fracture of the hand.
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Yeah about that supposed 'penalty try' - it wasn't Easterby who prevented the try but Dempsey with a superbly skillful tackle on Czekaj. He somehow managed to get under the Welsh winger, hold the ball up + force the knock-on, all while going at nearly full speed! Easterby went for the ball, and Czekaj happened to be in the way. Besides, the Welsh winger had shrugged off Easterby's challenge and was about to score when Dempsey's heroics intervened. I understand I may sound biased but look at the replays! This isnt soccer - rugby players don't have to tiptoe around eachother...
I also think O'Gara has been given far too much criticism in this forum. Fair enough he had a pretty dodgy few kicks in the first half - very uncharacteristic of him though. And in fairness he showed great mental strength and character to pull himself up from that poor spell and deliver a fine performance in the second half. His defending was rock solid (much, much better than Jones), he made at least 2 great line breaks, and kicked 2 very difficult conversions to put Ireland clear. He was also instrumental in the second try with a beautiful fast, flat cut-out pass to Drico, enabling him to score. For all the misgivings, Stephen Jones (Lions outhalf?) looked distinctly average by comparison.
Someone earlier on said it was laughable that some people consider O'Gara the second best outhalf in the world right now. Fair enough he probably isn't, but he's definitely up there somewhere with Carter, Contempomi + Larkham! (and I suppose Wilko now too) An outhalf, the playmaker, has to be considered exceptional if his club has just won the European cup + his country are considered the second best team in the world... Surely that figures?
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On Sunday, Ireland won a game in the manner of England for so many years by a bit of luck and sheer nous.We played badly and won. We finished the 3 try chances we got. Clincal when required. That, me boyos is the stuff of Champions. Believe me, Ireland will be a different kettle of fish in Croker on Sunday.
We are notoriuosly bad starters. No offence to the Welsh - who fought bravely (just like the Irish USED to). The blatant truth is, we were always going to win it. Why? Self-belief and a large amount of intelligent decision-making, thats why.
We just had that liitle bit more nous then the Welsh. Something that is NEW for an Irish rugby team. No more blind blood-and-thunder.
EOS , is a master tactician. Bod and Darc were carrying injuries and EOS played that game to suit them.
We will beat France well on Saturday.
With or without BOD (he is not playing to his own standards - still brilliant tho'). As long as we have Darc, Leamy, Rog and POC fit, no problem. The rest will follow.
It won't even be close.
Why? Because Stringer is injured and Boss is in. Thank God for that! Boss has so much more about him and is an animal to boot. You need that against the French.
I bet EOS will also bring in Neil Best to bully Chabal. One big hit and he turns in a headless chicken. I have seen it too many times with him for Sale. He has a glass-chin. Hit the Wolfman hard and early - it's OVER. Bon Nuit Paris!
Wait till Shaggy (Shane Horgan to you guys)is back. Our strength-in-depth
is something that has not been mentioned in any of these blogs.
EOS is a cute hoor.. smartest coach around. His deciving pretence that "ah sure, its goin to be a tough one", is legendary. Beware of smiling Irish eyes. He KNOWS what he has at his disposal. He knows how to play it.
Geordan Murphy would walk into ANY team in the World (except the AB's).
Do ye like our new blood-replacement boys ? Nay bad eh ?
The result was that Geordan came on - changed the match and dutifully went back to the bench. Or hasn't anyone worked that one out yet ?
Murphy is subsequently hurting and chomping at the bit. Clever stuff EOS
Very clever stuff. He will put the indecisive Laporte and the overrated Ashton in his pocket and move on to the World Cup.
I hate being right lads, but most of you guys have not really been watching what is actually happening over the last year or two in NH rugby. Obviously not. Bless ye all, anyway.
Watch and learn.
Lesson 2 will follow after the French match.
Leinster-man in The Netherlands.
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Quote meself "We will beat France well on SATURDAY".
That was a FOX-PASS, Ted!
I really hope we beat them on SUNDAY as well!
No excuse, the 成人论坛 fixture-list has been on my wall, at home, since September last!
Ah well. senility is an odd ting Ted..
P.S Welcome back Johnny W, you just make it nicer to watch. Class, pure class.
Leinster OAP in Amsterdam.
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Why are people saying that Horgans foot was in touch for his try against England last year. I just watched the footage three times, just this minute and both feet are clearly in touch, clearly!
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Oh well, sounds to me like an awful lot of bitter welsh folk are crying in their lamb and mint sauce. It also sounds like come of you english folk recognise (not a sterling Irish performance) but a well ground out win at a very hard and hostile place to play. A place where the WRU and some welsh rugby fans (not all) like to cause disruption and shake the psychological preparations of the opposing teams, point of fact.. The Haka in the Autumn. Do it how it was always done, but no, lets change it to try to shake the foundations of the All Blacks prep. Unlucky, they still gave you a lesson in rugby. A weakened NZ side to the one that Ireland faced in the Summer 06 tour i might add. We've all run down the French for their attitudes etc, I watched Ireland play France in Paris last year, surrounded by a French crowd who were passionate about their team but still had the manners and sportsmanship to keep quiet when place kicks were being taken and when lineout calls were being given. Honestly, for a nation of people that see Rugby as one of their main sports, it's a pretty dark outlook when the manners are left behind at home before supporters head out for the game.
Anyway, rant over! Stephen Jones needs desparately to be left out of the Welsh team for a year, just to allow Hooky to develop. Whether the Llanelli centres can cope with hospital passes from their 10 or not i don't know, but there were a number of great examples of shocking positioning of Jones (too flat in relation to the scrum) which in turn allowed the Irish midfield to be right on top of Hooky, completely denying him an opportunity to shine. That said, he still had a good game. Great passing, great awareness of his oppo's positions etc. Jones out, Hooky in at 10, and Shanklin back in the centre on his return, (next week).
Ireland made a lot of errors, but also played some very clever clinical rugby at times. They will gain in momentum and confidence as the 6 nations rolls into its next week. Remember Wales' Grand Slam year. They started with a rubbish performance against a weak England team, and because of a Gavin Henson tackle on a rookie (Tait), and in fairness a very fine kick to win the game (a dismally low scoring effort), that spurred them on. We beat a very good Welsh side, by 3 tried to 0 on Sunday. It's all started. Can't wait for France and England at Croke. Allez Les Verts!!
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Andy, you are deluding yourself I'm afraid. Dempsey only had time to tackle Czekaj because Easterby had illegally tackled him first (whilst made an extremely token attempt to make it look like he was going for the ball as an afterthought). I don't want to labour this because it's over and nothing can be done about it, except perhaps for the referees having a bit of a talking to by the IRB.
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How can you say that gordon darcy eclipses driscol??? such a flippant comment is becoming all too frequent in the media! how easily you forget brians bone shuddering tackles, defence splitting runs, pin point accuracy(both passing and kicking under pressure!), or his magician like creativity! and all this given that he's the most watched centre in the world! when writing a report next time i believe you should consider the centre's partnership as complimenting each other rather than eclipsing each other!
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(sung to Kaiser Chiefs Lyrics)
Hickie, Hickie, Hickie, Hickie
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Good article mate. And why on earth are the moaning Welsh so bothered about a spelling mistake? Not to mention the game - the simple fact is that Ireland scored 3 tries to nil, Wales did not even score a single point in the second half, on their own ground! That says it all - forget the poor ref please.
But glad to read the sensible comments of many writers, backing Ireland to win the Grand Slam. Good for them, we Celts should stick together.
Delighted to hear that Stringer is injured and may well miss the French match - Eddie will then have no option but to play Boss, who he should have played in the first place. Stringer is poor, ineffective, while Boss has the class and the aggression to worry the French. And Murphy must play as well - he did more in his 10 mins on Sunday than Dempsey in the whole match.
Ireland have got their most difficult match out the way (and fair play, Welsh supporters should be proud of their team, it was a close encounter) and with two home matches coming up we're well on course for the GS!!
At least on Sunday we won't have to listen to the incredibly biased J Davies. Woody is so different - a proud Irishman. but he gives a fair and reasoned analysis. Why not keep JD in the studio (at least when Wales are playing) and have a neutral during the heat of the match?
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Good article mate. And why on earth are the moaning Welsh so bothered about a spelling mistake? Not to mention the game - the simple fact is that Ireland scored 3 tries to nil, Wales did not even score a single point in the second half, on their own ground! That says it all - forget the poor ref please.
But glad to read the sensible comments of many writers, backing Ireland to win the Grand Slam. Good for them, we Celts should stick together.
Delighted to hear that Stringer is injured and may well miss the French match - Eddie will then have no option but to play Boss, who he should have played in the first place. Stringer is poor, ineffective, while Boss has the class and the aggression to worry the French. And Murphy must play as well - he did more in his 10 mins on Sunday than Dempsey in the whole match.
Ireland have got their most difficult match out the way (and fair play, Welsh supporters should be proud of their team, it was a close encounter) and with two home matches coming up we're well on course for the GS!!
At least on Sunday we won't have to listen to the incredibly biased J Davies. Woody is so different - a proud Irishman. but he gives a fair and reasoned analysis. Why not keep JD in the studio (at least when Wales are playing) and have a neutral during the heat of the match?
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Stephen Mogerley even if this was the case the onus is on the touch judge to see this, if he cant clearly spot this, not an easy thing to do without the benefit of 3 instant replays, the benefit of doubt goes to the attacking team, so please, please dry your eyes.
Oh and england opener in that match last year shouldn鈥檛 have stood as their was an accidental offside after the free kick. Swings and roundabouts
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to all those english fans moaning about shane horgans try - what is your complaint exactly? his feet never touched the ground so it was a valid try! who cares about JW try on saturday they would have won with or without it being given. also a sign of a great team is winning without playing well - exactly what ireland did last weekend. Cant wait for Sunday!!
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Stephen Mogerley even if this was the case the onus is on the touch judge to see this, if he cant clearly spot this, not an easy thing to do without the benefit of 3 instant replays, the benefit of doubt goes to the attacking team, so please, please dry your eyes.
Oh and england opener in that match last year shouldn鈥檛 have stood as their was an accidental offside after the free kick. Swings and roundabouts
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Can't agree more with Ian and Aggers. Please 成人论坛 get rid of both Brian Moore and Jonathan Davies. They ruined the commentary on both games with their one-sided cheerleading. Davies in particular was a complete pain - chipping in all the time and constantly with only a very Welsh viewpoint. They are non professionals and I am sure there are many former rugby players who could give a much more balanced view of play. I'm afraid if Davies is 'in the box' for the match v Scotland at the weekend, I shall be pressing the red button to pick up commentary from elsewhere.
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