The power of One
Everyone who loves sport knows it offers the privilege of witnessing some of the .
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Around 1900 BST Andy Murray was facing defeat. A couple of hours or so later and it was victory amid the shadows of night - a wonderful comeback, prompting extraordinary scenes on Centre Court.
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They were watched live across the UK by a spectacular peak audience of 10.4 million people - and crucially the last hour or so was on 成人论坛 One. We're often asked why some events cross between 成人论坛 One, 成人论坛 Two and our other services - and last night gives a particularly good illustration of why we do it.
The power of 成人论坛 One is that it is Britain's most-watched channel. It's the 成人论坛's flagship and as such it offers our best , drama, comedy, entertainment and . It is, to use the jargon, a mixed-genre channel - one which showcases the best of everything. Programmes will typically attract a couple of million more viewers even than 成人论坛 Two - just by being on One.
This has the disadvantage sometimes for sport that there are other demands on the airtime. Viewers expect the at, well, 1800 BST. And soap fans get pretty cross if EastEnders is moved from its usual slot. But the advantages massively outweigh any problems this causes. By being on 成人论坛 One, events reach millions of people who wouldn't watch a . Being in peak time on a main channel brings in both and many more casual viewers. Hence last night's tennis audience. On Sunday night we had more than 12 million people watching in the Euro 2008 final. We believe it's a long time since two different sport events delivered 10m plus viewers on consecutive nights.
That said, the scheduling is almost as nerve-wracking as watching Andy play. Tennis has the challenge that a match may be over in five minutes or two more hours. Last night 成人论坛 Sport had agreed with the TV channels that the tennis would move from 成人论坛 Two to 成人论坛 One if the match was still going strongly at 2030 BST. At 1930 there looked like no chance of that. At 2000 there was still the possibility that we'd switch channels, only to see the winning game and then have 25 long minutes to fill. So it was a relief that the gamble paid off and 成人论坛 One viewers got to see the climax of the match.
In the past we've sometimes come a cropper - with perhaps the best example being some years back when a sudden downpour meant that instead of a promised Tim Henman match we subjected peak-time audiences on two channels to live rain from SW19. We also appreciate that when the advertised schedule is disrupted, so we try to limit these kinds of change to the really big moments.
But going forward we aim to offer our audiences the best of both worlds. Live and uninterrupted coverage on 成人论坛 HD, on interactive TV and online with all the extra choices those offer - and still those huge national events on 成人论坛 One.
Comment number 1.
At 1st Jul 2008, Dave Harris wrote:Basically, what you are saying is that the British TV-watching public is so lazy that either they can't be bothered to turn the channel to 成人论坛2 to watch the Tennis from the start, or they can't be bothered to turn 成人论坛1 off when the Tennis comes onto that channel.
Why else would the programme suddenly gain millions of viewers just by being broadcast on 成人论坛1?
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Comment number 2.
At 1st Jul 2008, Dave Harris wrote:Oh, and pity those who set a video/DVD to record the match to watch later, and added extra time in case it ran over on 成人论坛2, only to find that they still didn't get it because you'd swapped channels without warning.
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Comment number 3.
At 1st Jul 2008, squishington wrote:@ batsnumbereleven
I guess it depends on your perspective.
People will watch 成人论坛 1 out of habit, knowing that something watchable will be on and also knowing that the 成人论坛 puts the more important shows to the public on its flagship station. Most people sit in front of the TV at night not knowing what they will watch. So they flick over to 成人论坛1, see Andy Murray playing, and watch that.
I would go with familiarity rather than, as you crudely put it, laziness.
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Comment number 4.
At 1st Jul 2008, kennydogleash wrote:Seem amazing to me that pre-recorded out of date quiz shows like Weakest Link get shown when Rafa Nadal's game was on! They didn't even have it on the Interactive channel!! Sort your priorities out 成人论坛!
Make me thank God for Sky Sports... No stupid interruptions there!
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Comment number 5.
At 1st Jul 2008, ball1336 wrote:1 and 2 are spot on. Anyone who wants to watch is perfectly capable of switching to the correct chanel. Furthermore, in the year 2008 i suspect the majority of television sets are if not HD compatible, at least 成人论坛 2 compatible. The 成人论坛 switch over to 成人论坛 1 in order to bolster ratings, full stop. Why they feel its necesary to do this when they don't recieve advertising revenue i'm don't know.
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Comment number 6.
At 1st Jul 2008, 85truemans wrote:"But going forward we aim to offer our audiences the best of both worlds." Tut tut, Roger. You really ought to read the 成人论坛 site a little more assiduously...
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Comment number 7.
At 1st Jul 2008, LRD wrote:my one complaint is why isnt there a short 15 minute highlight clip of the matches on the website, like there was for Queens?
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Comment number 8.
At 1st Jul 2008, red_devil_pazzaz wrote:I was incensed last night to be quite honest! I was out until 10.30 and so had set my video to record Criminal Justice between 9-10pm. This is a major new drama which has been previewed numerous times in recent weeks. Obviously when I came to watch my video last night, I discovered that I had about 30 mins of tennis and only about 30 mins of Criminal Justice. Thanks Roger! I probably won't bother watching the rest of this drama now as a result of missing the ending yesterday! Why couldn't you have just left the tennis on 成人论坛2. Do you honestly believe that people wouldn't have watched the climax to the match if it stayed on 成人论坛2?! It's just ridiculous! I think the real reason was that you feared the viewing figures for Criminal Justice would suffer if it was left in competition with the tennis and you feared losing viewers for that drama for the rest of the week. It's on occasions like this when I wonder why I bother paying my licence fee! Any comments Roger?!
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Comment number 9.
At 1st Jul 2008, niall_g wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 10.
At 1st Jul 2008, Sarah wrote:I agree with Kenny above:
"Seem amazing to me that pre-recorded out of date quiz shows like Weakest Link get shown when Rafa Nadal's game was on! They didn't even have it on the Interactive channel!! Sort your priorities out 成人论坛!"
I'd rather watch Rafa over Murray anyway. Best of both worlds tomorrow then when they play each other.
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Comment number 11.
At 1st Jul 2008, Jordan D wrote:I'm not a Tennis fan, but I appreciate that some people are and I don't get all annoyed that "my schedule is messed up". I think a little more tolerance from all sides would go down well - remember that those of us who pay the License fee may enjoy sport more than period dramas like those who enjoy period dramas may enjoy them more than sport.
As an aside, Roger, why am I not allowed to view the embedded clip above (it says that "this content is only availble in the UK"), when I am sitting in an office in Central London?
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Comment number 12.
At 1st Jul 2008, thinkstuff wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 13.
At 1st Jul 2008, Richard Irvine-Brown wrote:@11 - Jordan D
Apologies for being wrongly identified as outside the UK, see here for a full explanation of what's going on:
Also, for those that missed Criminal Justice, it is available for six more days (at time of writing):
/iplayer/page/item/b00cfl1h.shtml?src=ip_potpw
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Comment number 14.
At 1st Jul 2008, anubisrich wrote:Why are people complaining to the 成人论坛 because they cannot understand how to record shows off the TV? The time of the show is irrelevent if you have the faintest grasp of video recording and you don't need a new or expensive box to do so.
If you spent as much time reading the manual as you did writing this you would be a lot happier.
I left work with Gasquet serving for the match and assumed Muzza would have lost. Was nice to switch on the TV and catch the last couple of sets, epic epic match.
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Comment number 15.
At 1st Jul 2008, niall_g wrote:I think that the 成人论坛 are on a hiding to nothing with this one. There is no way
that they can please everyone.
As for Sky Sports - they have undoubtedly revolutionised sports broadcasting in
this country but they also subject you to interminable build ups and with
things like boxing never tell you what time the main event is on.
Any chance we can have an interactive option for Wimbledon where we can have
radio commentary in synch with tv pictures please?
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Comment number 16.
At 1st Jul 2008, Alex wrote:Spot on #1 and #8. Surely you just bring up the channel guide and see what's on then you will know there is tennis on 成人论坛2? I really cannot beleive people are as dull/lazy as to just switch on 成人论坛1 and watch whatever is on.
Also, great idea to move tennis to 成人论坛1 to ensure there is a large 'captive audience' for the new show Criminal Justice. Underhand tricks from 成人论坛.
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Comment number 17.
At 1st Jul 2008, Iain wrote:"I had about 30 mins of tennis and only about 30 mins of Criminal Justice. Thanks Roger! I probably won't bother watching the rest of this drama now as a result of missing the ending yesterday!"
If only the 成人论坛 had some form of online interactive video playing system that allowed you to view whatever programme you liked at your convenience.
It's outrageous.
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Comment number 18.
At 1st Jul 2008, ExcellenceFirst wrote:"The power of 成人论坛 One is that it is Britain's most-watched channel. It's the 成人论坛's flagship and as such it offers our best news, drama, comedy, entertainment and sport. It is, to use the jargon, a mixed-genre channel - one which showcases the best of everything."
Well it sounds like you've arrived at the pinnacle of everything that's good about broadcasting. Tell me, does everyone in the 成人论坛 regard "most popular" as being synonymous with "best"? If so, there must be some pretty sorry faces amongst those who work in outlets which receive less popular attention.
Or haven't I quite adapted to the modern ethic which allows supposedly authoritative figures to present heavily biassed positions as balanced observation?
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Comment number 19.
At 1st Jul 2008, thinkstuff wrote:My first attempt at commenting was not accepted, so I'll endeavour again - what is the logic of switching channels and thereby generating a wider audience? It is fairly evident in the age of digital TV that having 成人论坛1 means you have 成人论坛2 - so why would it change, and is it not actually a fairly disappointing reflection on the viewing public that these kinds of statistics would be generated?
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Comment number 20.
At 1st Jul 2008, Dave Harris wrote:@ squishington
That's exactly what I mean by lazy. They can't even be bothered to change channel, they just sit in front of 成人论坛1 assuming whatever the 成人论坛 deems "best" will be on there.
On that note, isn't it time the 成人论坛 started promoting 成人论坛2 a bit more then, so that viewers are actually encouraged to watch it instead of succumbing to inertia?
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Comment number 21.
At 1st Jul 2008, Clanceman wrote:Don't like criticising the 成人论坛 as I believe most of the time they do a great job - but I don't buy it that the football and tennis pulled big audiences just because they were on 成人论坛1.
Top sports events will always create interest and pull in viewers - the 成人论坛 needs to get wise to this.
Wimbledon one of the last major events the 成人论坛 its holding onto. I think we need to see some more commitment. Why can't you dedicate the 2 weeks it is on to 成人论坛2, so everyone knows where it will be and not screw up any schedule on 成人论坛1.
I was disappointed that within 5 mins of Murray winning, the program finished. It would have been good to get reaction from pundits and see replays.
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Comment number 22.
At 1st Jul 2008, hainesy08 wrote:Am i alone in thinking that, that was one of the best matches we've seen at wimbledon this year and am just glad the 成人论坛 showed it at all near to 9 30 in the evening. I think the bbc are coming under a lot of stick for what was essentially a good decision. And im not sure how anyone could have watched that game and not enjoyed it regardless of what drama series would have been on in its place.
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Comment number 23.
At 1st Jul 2008, red_devil_pazzaz wrote:Re #17 "Iainrwb"
"If only the 成人论坛 had some form of online interactive video playing system that allowed you to view whatever programme you liked at your convenience.
It's outrageous."
Thanks for the sarcasm. I'm sorry if my comments seemed petty to you. I just happen to prefer watching TV programmes on my TV rather than on my laptop. Sorry if that seems rather old-fashioned to some people. My point was merely that I can't see why the Beeb feel the need to switch tennis from 成人论坛2 to 成人论坛1.
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Comment number 24.
At 1st Jul 2008, IainB wrote:I had Sky+ set up to record On the Fiddle, with series link. Obviously, this went out of the window with Andy Murray doing better in the tennis.
I stopped the recording, but there is no sign of a reschedule as yet on the listings.
Any ideas when this will be reshown?
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Comment number 25.
At 1st Jul 2008, lee fett wrote:I agree niall g - this is a classic case of you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. The fact is that over 10 million people watched the tennis on bbc one, although that's not to everyone's liking the fact that they got that much of the audience share shows that they made a correct decision. As usual there are always people ready to have a pop at something they're not happy with.
Its summer time, the sun's out, can't we all just get along?
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Comment number 26.
At 1st Jul 2008, pimansatel wrote:To those people saying that you find it difficult to believe that people wouldn't turn off 成人论坛1 when the tennis came on - well I think the audience of 10.4 million suggests otherwise.
Previously when shows have started on 成人论坛2, become popular and switched to 成人论坛1, they have gone on to draw bigger audiences. As 3. says - it's familiarity, not laziness.
Unless you really think you have a more in depth understanding of the scheduler's jobs than they do then you are being short-sighted - as a doctor I find it infuriating that MPs think they know my job better than I do and I'm sure the schedulers feel the same way about your ramblings! I'm sure a lot of thought goes into any changes in the scedule.
Juggling the programming is a difficult task and not one I would like to have to do. Somebody will always be upset by changes and you have to understand that they are done for the good of the majority - otherwise the 成人论坛 would not be allowed to charge for the licence. And of course as pointed out in 14. and 15. you can very easily record programmes in a way that ensures any changes are accounted for, and indeed view any 成人论坛 programmes online.
Tolerence and understanding is called for I think, instead of instant anger and complaining.
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Comment number 27.
At 1st Jul 2008, Dave Harris wrote:The fact that they got much audience share only shows that some 2 million people couldn't find 成人论坛2 on their remote.
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Comment number 28.
At 1st Jul 2008, MagpieRH wrote:I have to admit, I turned over in the 3rd set when it looked like Murray was on his way out. 10 minutes later, I flicked back to 成人论坛2 to see the tennis had finished so I assumed it had gone as I expected. After the other program had finished, I hit the EPG button and saw 'Wimbledon 2008' listed on 成人论坛1 so I had a look and was amazed to find Murray was still playing and had stormed through the 4th set!
I hadn't realised it had moved channels so I missed at least one set which I would otherwise have watched. I can see what the schedulers gain from this but it makes more sense to me to just extend the original program on the original channel then there isn't confusion.
With iPlayer though, I suppose it's less important because you can view it all online now anyway so all these people whingeing about missing this and other programs, just watch them now...
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Comment number 29.
At 1st Jul 2008, respectedterry wrote:A commonsense decision to switch to 成人论坛 One and I enjoyed the television coverage.
Slightly puzzled by your online treatment though.
The one big talking point after the match was how a revved-up Murray showed off his muscles to the crowd.
Clearly a retort to critics who have questioned his fitness.
Yet strangely no mention of this moment in your reports:
Why?
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Comment number 30.
At 1st Jul 2008, gingerprince07 wrote:I completely agree with #17 and iainrwb
he is spot on
What are you all complaining about?
The drama was still shown. What if the tennis had gone on till ten and you completely missed it. This means there was not time for any reaction. Some of you will have VirginMedia which gives you the option of watching it and you can get access to 成人论坛iPlayer as your complaining on the computer.
Well spoken#17
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Comment number 31.
At 1st Jul 2008, dalming wrote:Response to IainB99,
On Sky+, the re-recording of a series should be automatic, if a recording has failed (it depends on the information contained in the satellite stream), so don't cancel the series.
The 成人论坛 needs to move on, the content is very good to excellent, but the scheduling needs addressing.
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Comment number 32.
At 1st Jul 2008, Wootters wrote:Imagine if an Editor/Author wrote a perfectly reasonable well informed piece on a topical subject and people didn't write idiotic, unrelated and innacurate comments at the bottom of it. What a better place this website would be.
I wish there were more of the "some people who can be pleased all of the time" and less of the "people who always find something to moan about".
If you can't find something enjoyable or interesting on any of the 成人论坛's services at any given moment, you aren't using it correctly. It's a joy to have it and worth every penny.
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Comment number 33.
At 1st Jul 2008, U11209226 banned wrote:Why not just make a 成人论坛 Sport channel?
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Comment number 34.
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Comment number 35.
At 1st Jul 2008, Adrianovic wrote:Thanks for the insight, Roger.
I must admit I was a bit frustrated at changing channels on a regular basis, but I can see now it is to a large degree, unavoidable.
However, there was one incident yesterday which really annoyed me. The Ancic v Verdasco match was at its climax, Ancic having come from two sets down to be 6-6 in the final set. The winner plays Federer. I settled in for some great sporting theatre.
Only to be interrupted by Sue Barker telling me that we would be leaving the match to see the start of some other match. What could possibly be more exciting than Ancic v Verdasco at that point in the day?
Fortunately I have digital so I quickly switched back to the exciting finale, but if I didn't have interactive services I'd be getting on my soapbox and writing into Points of View.
That'd show you.
Ade
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Comment number 36.
At 1st Jul 2008, Alex Banks wrote:There's a 成人论坛 2?
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Comment number 37.
At 1st Jul 2008, CarlitoBrigante2 wrote:It could have been kept on 成人论坛 Two and there wouldn't have been any need for schedule changes.
'One Show', going out live could have told viewers about the dramatic match on the other side, on-screen graphics alerting viewers to the same would have caused less annoyance.
The kind of schedule changes we saw last night cause all sorts of problems, like loosing regional opt outs during news programmes. It was completely aviodable.
I love the 成人论坛. I support just about everything it does. Switching coverage to 成人论坛 One when it is already billed on 成人论坛 Two is the one thing it does which I think is wrong. I hoped it had ended with the retirement of Tim Henman.
I wonder what viewing figures will be like for 'Criminal Justice' this week, given that lots of viewers won't have watched the 1st episode last night?
I know it's not east for the scheduling people, imagine what its like for the complaints people.
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Comment number 38.
At 1st Jul 2008, richiemccoy wrote:At the end of the day I believe the winner here is tennis. The fact of the matter is that a lot of sports, tennis included, don't get a lot of mainstream airtime in the UK and if there is a chance it can shown on a channel that happens to have a large amount of viewers then it's all the better for the sport.
My only regret here is that it wasn't continued on 成人论坛2 for all the tennis fans who don't have digital and wanted to record it.
I have been a fan of the WRC since 2004. It moved to ITV in a prime-time afternoon slot. One of the reasons I started watching was because it was on at an accessible hour and was something I couldn't have gotten away of if I was channel-hopping. Now - 4 and a half years down the line - I am trying to get involved in rallying. If it hadn't been for it "being on" when I was hopping channels I might never have started getting involved. It's the same for the tennis. I hope that there were some kids watching because at the end of the day it is moments like last night that help to inspire dreams and careers in sport - something we need greatly in this country.
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Comment number 39.
At 1st Jul 2008, StaffsBantam wrote:Come off it 成人论坛, of course the 成人论坛1 viewing figures for Murray were high. There were the tennis followers watching, but also several million "other" viewers, who had absolutely no interest in this boring sport, who had tuned in to watch the much vaunted new drama series. The 成人论坛 knows very well that Tennis is NOT overly popular, otherwise Wimbledon wouldn't be one of the very rare times the sport is aired! Go watch it on 成人论坛 player you say, well thanks, thats possible if you have a PC. Why didn't you just put a notice at the bottom of the 成人论坛1 screen last night saying "Sorry this is not what you tuned in for, but WE like tennis, so that's what you are going to get". After all, you do it with other sports programmes at random. I think the 成人论坛 is becoming "unfit for purpose".
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Comment number 40.
At 1st Jul 2008, KennyM wrote:I find the decisions to change the match back to 成人论坛1 at 8.30 pm strange.
On Saturday, at a similar time of day and stage of the match, Murray's match with Tommy Haas was left on 成人论坛1. The News and the Weakest Link was transferred over to 成人论坛2 in place of the scheduled Wimbledon coverage. Would Dr Who have been moved or delayed had that match carried on past 7.10pm?
Two days later, Murray's next match is transferred over to 成人论坛2 as scheduled because people expect the News at Six at 6 o'clock and EastEnders cannot be moved from its normal times.
Strange because we have had a month when EastEnders was moved at various times to accommodate Euro 2008. It would only be switched to 成人论坛2, not delayed or postponed. The News was moved on Saturday as it was on a few occassions when Henman was in his pomp.
I would be very interested to find out the thinking behind the inconstistencies I have highlighted above.
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Comment number 41.
At 1st Jul 2008, Brekkie wrote:It seemed an odd decision to move it at such a late stage in the match, and considering the 成人论坛 isn't supposed to be ratings obsessed not really justified on that basis.
I understand now that issues with the regional news prevent you carrying on uninterupted from 6pm, but really if the aim was to switch to 成人论坛1 at some point it should have been at 7pm, with EastEnders delayed until after the tennis.
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Comment number 42.
At 1st Jul 2008, simon_hoyle wrote:Sky+ usually pretty good at coping with overrunning sporting events. However the one thing it can鈥檛 deal with is the 成人论坛 doing an unscheduled switching of channels halfway through a game, like last night.
We started watching the game after putting our son to bed and saw Andy Murray clinch the 3rd set in thrilling fashion at about 9.40 at which point the Sky+ recording ran out, the game itself had finished, there鈥檚 no 成人论坛1+1 and we were left to find out the result from 成人论坛i.
I was interested to read this morning Paul Davies, 成人论坛 Sport's executive producer at Wimbledon, saying "It's fantastic that such a great sporting event was brought to a wider audience. The decision to switch it to 成人论坛 One was vindicated by so many viewers watching the climax of the match." Maybe he would like to have been in our house last night where Mrs H would happily have vindicated his decision, probably in rather painful fashion.
And also - 鈥淟ast night 成人论坛 Sport had agreed with the TV channels that the tennis would move from 成人论坛 Two to 成人论坛 One if the match was still going strongly at 2030 BST.鈥 Anyone watching it like we were has got no chance have they ? Are you planning to do this again tomorrow ?
鈥淪o it was a relief that the gamble paid off and 成人论坛 One viewers got to see the climax of the match.鈥 I鈥檓 thrilled for you. Really I am.
And yes 鈥 I know that the replay was on 成人论坛 Interactive within minutes but we can鈥檛 wind through this to get to the bits we鈥檝e missed, meaning that if we want to watch it, we鈥檝e got to watch the whole thing and we鈥檙e looking at finishing in the early hours of the morning.
Rant over, carry on, keep up the good work.
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Comment number 43.
At 1st Jul 2008, cybermyth wrote:Clearly they were trying to capture the Eastenders audience at 8.30 and it seems to have worked as the ratings for the tennis went up. I suppose the hope was to maintain the audience until the start of the new drama, even if that meant delaying the start of the drama.
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Comment number 44.
At 1st Jul 2008, anglomexican wrote:Mr. Mosey:
Do you have any idea, please, how many people across the world watched the Murray-Gasquet match on television? ESPN has given excellent coverage to Wimbledon this year, presumably using the 成人论坛's feeds.
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Comment number 45.
At 1st Jul 2008, aphra wrote:I have no problem with the match switching from BBc1 to 成人论坛2 but if, as one conspiracy theorist suggests, this was a ploy to get a larger audience for Criminal Justice then, in my case, it failed miserably! I had intended to watch the drama but got so excited by the tennis that as soon as it had finished I switched off the TV and called my daughter to have a yack about it:-)
Where the scheduling does fall down, IMO, is in the handling of matches shown on 成人论坛i Freeview - we don't all have Sky or Virgin. Frequently enthralling matching have been cut off short to show the start of another. Even more often, matches on a main channel are replaced by one showing on 成人论坛i which also remains on 成人论坛i for up to 30 minutes before the one bounced from the main channel makes an appearance. Hence two of the paltry three or four interactive feeds are showing the same match and the one we (well, I) were previously watching disappears.
Are we Freeview viewers ever going to get the same choice of 成人论坛i feeds that cable/satellite viewers do? We all pay the same licence fees after all.
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Comment number 46.
At 2nd Jul 2008, i_c_shapes wrote:I was always under the impression that switching channels was to catch potential views that wouldn't, ordinarily, watch the tennis.
I for one was far more interested in the game when it entered the 4th and 5th sets than when it seemed Murray was destined for an early bath!
Most of the comments I've read are aimed specifically at tennis "fans" rather than the casual viewer who would, quite possibly, be interested in a game if it was an epic, much like Monday night.
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Comment number 47.
At 2nd Jul 2008, JimSanii wrote:Sports fans have to put up with 2 hours of soaps every night.
Soap fans have no room for complaint when one of their pants tv programmes are shifted for sport which provides audiences with genuine and thrilling entertainment.
Soaps should be banned full stop. Is it just me or are they all the same? Scene 1 - argument between 2 people, cut to scene 2 - argument between 3 people, cut to scene 3 - argument between another 2 people, cut back to scene 1 - continuation of argument between original 2 people.
It's stupid peoples television! More documentary's please.
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Comment number 48.
At 2nd Jul 2008, OLDKILLIE wrote:Thanks for all those patronising clips of great Scottish sporting events, following the Murray victory. Why dont you just let him be a tennis player first?
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Comment number 49.
At 2nd Jul 2008, Dave Harris wrote:@ i c shapes
Of course the comments are aimed at "Tennis fans" - they are the people who missed out when the coverage was switched.
Are you saying that the 成人论坛 should be targeting their coverage at the casual viewer INSTEAD of Tennis fans? In that case, don't bother showing the first two sets at all!
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At 2nd Jul 2008, AshBerwick wrote:I am neither a tennis or football fan, and I can't receive any other 成人论坛 channels except 成人论坛1 and 成人论坛2, nor any radio broadcasts (except via the Internet), so all these schedule changes really annoy me. I'm paying a huge sum for my license; it;s definitely not value for money. Why not change channel names to 成人论坛 Sport and 成人论坛 What We Have Determined Is Less Important Sport?
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At 2nd Jul 2008, Mark wrote:This interruption of 成人论坛1, despite the tennis being scheduled for 成人论坛1, is completely unacceptable.
I've only just managed to start "Celebrity Masterchef" recording on 成人论坛2 because it was switched and Sky+ couldn't handle it...of course, my having a Sky+ box is by-the-by: no method of timer-set recording would cope, whether it be Sky+, V+ or a humble VCR.
I would complain, but what's the point? I'll be fobbed off with platitudes about how Wimbledon is so popular blah, blah, Andy Murray, waffle waffle. And not mention the infamous "audience log" that is apparently seen by 成人论坛 management (AKA "the bin").
You'd just better not be considering keeping Saturday's play on 成人论坛1 should it overrun because if you think you're getting a hard time now, just wait until 10m or so Doctor Who fans go on the warpath.
The 成人论坛 need to seriously think about how they handle sports that have highly unpredictable finish times. And if that means not being able to show them at all, then so be it.
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At 2nd Jul 2008, hawkyrich1975 wrote:Problem: We have two popular shows that we want to watch and we are out on the night when they are on.
Solution: quite obviously one (the live sportcast) gets recorded on the telly or similar. that enthralling drama that is shunted to a later slot can be downloaded via iplayer for you to watch, at your complete leisure, over the next week.
I watched the tennis into the wee small hours of tuesday and I couldnt have pulled myself away from it. Having now just watched criminal justice (a very good program that has grown on me) I would like to point out that pretty much anyone can do similar, presumably.
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At 2nd Jul 2008, polyurethane wrote:What is it that makes anything "worthy" of being on 成人论坛1? What is unworthy about being on 成人论坛2?
Schedulers appear to have a completely different view of the world to us - the audience.
There are several streams of programs being pumped out. I can choose which program by selecting the stream it is on. The name, number or other channel id applied to that stream matters not. So your bothering to shift something from one stream to another seems a mind-boggling waste of effort.
Two factors were wrongly handled. First, the failure to allocate sufficient time to the tennis such that all possibilities were allowed for. (You could always show Coast again if there were no tennis. Or archives of Wimbledon if you really want.) Second, the failure to retain the advertised programs at their scheduled times. The actual channel did not matter on Monday, doesn't matter today and will not matter tomorrow.
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At 3rd Jul 2008, tilsit wrote:It is really irritating for those of us who have Sky+ or PVR's to find that nothing has been taped.
Cancel shows and reschedule, buit please do not move them to 成人论坛2. My Sky+ box cannot cope with this. On Saturday night I was treated to 5 minutes of tennis and 50 minutes of interviews with Sir Terry Wogan, etc. Yes, I wanted to watch Weakest Link. But as I had set Sky+ to record it on 成人论坛1 at 18:10, I got tennis.
Tonight, I wanted to watch the first two episodes of Celebrity Masterchef, and thought I was being clever by programming 成人论坛1 between 8 and 9 and also the scheduled programme on 成人论坛2 - Today at Wimbledon. Thos eprogrammes were entered at about 19:20 this evening.
Neither recorded.
This really isn't good enough, I expect better from the 成人论坛. Oncxe again tonight, there was five minutes of tennis and we were treated to twenty five minutes of interviews and then My Family.
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At 3rd Jul 2008, Jordan D wrote:Do people above just like to moan? I saw the tennis was on last night when I got home and whilst my first thought was "oh well, let's see what's on the other side", my second was "Roger's going to get a bashing on the blog".
A few days ago (post 11) I said a bit of tolerance would go a long way - it seems to be many people here are all "me, me, me": if you don't get what you want, then everyone else is wrong. Here's the flip argument - you're a tennis fan and you are watching a match and the 成人论坛 cuts the coverage to go to "scheduled programming". You'd get annoyed, wouldn't you? Change the word 'tennis' for 'golf' or 'snooker' in the above sentence and you see the argument holds true.
It's not easy to provide programming to everyone's taste, but there are 40m odd people who watch the TV out there, so a little bit of something for everybody is the best way forward, and some of the posters above would do well to remember that.
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At 3rd Jul 2008, Roger Mosey - 成人论坛 Director, London 2012 wrote:Well, quite a range of views... It proves the old thing about not being able to please all the people all the time - though we do try to meet the needs of as many as possible. And a number of posts are right to point out that iPlayer solves many of the problems. If you miss something because of a change of channel, in most cases it should still be there on-demand for the next 7 days.
Just to add the audience figures for last night: they built steadily through the evening, despite the match being pretty one-sided, and ended up at 7.7m on 成人论坛 One at 8pm --- which is massively more than the channel would normally get at that time.
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At 3rd Jul 2008, treebark wrote:Re comment #47
"It's stupid peoples television! More documentary's please."
I think that is one of the strangest comments I have seen. Stupid people? Documentary's? Come on, if you are going to talk about "stupid people", at least get your spelling and grammar right.
Incidentally, I think the 成人论坛 did the right thing in shifting channels. I don't watch soaps, so the decision was fine by me, although I agree that it could have caused some angst amongst those who do. And to those who say 成人论坛 iPlayer is the solution, many people still don't have broadband. I myself used to have a slow connection until 2 months ago, and it was just pointless trying to watch even 10 seconds, so I know for a fact iPlayer is useless for them.
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At 3rd Jul 2008, Mark wrote:"Well, quite a range of views... It proves the old thing about not being able to please all the people all the time - though we do try to meet the needs of as many as possible. And a number of posts are right to point out that iPlayer solves many of the problems. If you miss something because of a change of channel, in most cases it should still be there on-demand for the next 7 days."
Oh well that decides it then - let's watch a small, 3-inch wide pixelated recording on a computer screen when I had expected to be able to sit back on my sofa and enjoy the programme I wanted to see in glorious widescreen and with the convenience of a remote control.
It's not good enough, 成人论坛. And I must say, the arrogance of the sport department when it comes to Wimbledon is nothing short of disgraceful.
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At 3rd Jul 2008, redrussula wrote:"And a number of posts are right to point out that iPlayer solves many of the problems. If you miss something because of a change of channel, in most cases it should still be there on-demand for the next 7 days."
People already pay for a TV license. They shouldn't also have to pay for an internet connection in order to watch the re-scheduled programmes. And what about those who don't have a computer with the appropriate operating system to run 成人论坛 iPlayer?
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At 4th Jul 2008, pkkirkwood wrote:Surely what matters isn't the 成人论坛's total viewing figures but that viewers watch what they want to. People not generally interested in tennis would probably have been quite happy sticking to whatever had been scheduled for 成人论坛1. So why not keep the tennis on 成人论坛2 and then not mess up the schedules and confuse everyone?
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At 5th Jul 2008, nekbed wrote:I agree with most of the comments already posted.
Why change channels, with the tennis sceduled to be on 成人论坛2 it should have stayed there.
The viewing figures peaked in the last hour because people tuned in to watch Criminal Justice, does take much to work that one out.
LEAVE THE SCHEDULES ALONE !!
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At 6th Jul 2008, maggielovesfrogs wrote:This is the first year I have listened to Wimbledon on Five Live and watched on 成人论坛 TV with the sound down.It has been wonderful, fresh air.The commentary from the 5Live team - excellent.Clare Balding is superb , she does not pretend to be all knowing and asks the questions we would ask.Her professionalism,humour,timing and commentary on the matches all great, well done,great job.I really enjoy the banter between everyone, the guests, all far less formal, and"成人论坛"than TV.
Thank you all,
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At 6th Jul 2008, rockgerryw wrote:What you are saying is that YOU decide what we watch and can change it as and when YOU decide.
AS for your viewing figures, now to make it easy for you to understand........................
PEOPLE WERE WAITING FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you get that or do you want it in another language,braille or large print?
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At 6th Jul 2008, ArfaDaily wrote:The rescheduling of the tennis not only screwed up the first part of Criminal Justice, which I had set up to record on a TiVo box, it also did the same the next night to the first part of the new Celebrity Masterchef series. This was set to record on series link on my Sky + box. Unfortunately, if a programme does not start within about a half hour of when it should, the planner drops it from itself. Not only this, it also drops the series link, so it disappears completely from the planner.
To reschedule the tennis such that it conflicted with not one, but two 'special case' programmes, in that they were set to run on each night for the rest of the week, is an inexcusable and wrong decision by the 成人论坛. The nonsense that Roger speaks about audiences on 成人论坛1 or 成人论坛2, just doesn't hold water. Everyone has 成人论坛2 as well as 成人论坛1, so the tennis should have just been left where it was. If people were watching it anyway, then they just were. It wouldn't have mattered to them if it was on 1 or 2.
As far as the comments made by the doctor in 26 goes, has he seriously never come across people that *he* considers are not as good at their job as he might be if given a go at it? Just because someone at the 成人论坛 has a responsibility for programme scheduling as their job, it doesn't mean that they are competent at it.
No matter how you look at it, in this particular case, the reshedule was wrong, and no amount of flannel from sports editors or whomever, will change that, or make the decision a better one ...
Arfa
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At 6th Jul 2008, Jordan D wrote:Roger - as mentioned above I'm not a tennis fan, but well done on putting on an excellent show for the 8hrs of live coverage you had from Wimbledon. Especially well done for the excellent montage at the end - please make it available on the website.
No doubt many of the comments that are currently awaiting moderation will be bashing you for keeping the coverage on 成人论坛1 when the schedules said 成人论坛2, and yet further will complain that George Gently was postponed by a week. All I can say to you, is well done for sticking with it and to those above complaining, just enjoy the spectacle.
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At 7th Jul 2008, chypmunk wrote:My opinion is that your decision to switch this match to 成人论坛1 and in the process not broadcast one scheduled program and delay another by half an hour was in no way based on doing the best for your viewing public but was done solely for ratings purposes. No amount of 'spin' regarding this decision will alter that.
The viewing public is still surely able to both read a schedule and determine which button to press on their remote control.
To those who find it strange that people would complain or be mildly upset about this I can only assume that the affected programs were of no interest to you.
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