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"Still I suppose the Apple crew do get to work on some of the coolest products on planet earth, and I am guessing they get a good employee discount to boot."

I really thought everyone's reaction to your apple comments last week was a little bit unwarranted, as the story really had genuine interest, and was a big story all over the internet.

But it is comments like the one I have highlighted which is going to get on peoples nerves.

It certainly gets on mine as I haven't seen an Apple product get me excited since the iPod Video.

Where as google for example are knocking out cool stuff all of the time.

@ringsting-iom This is a blog, therefore it contains personal opinions. If the author likes Apple products she is free to say so.

As for the site. I do wonder if these kind of sites don't just fill up with reviews from people who have axes to grind against former employers.

"Still I suppose the Apple crew do get to work on some of the coolest products on planet earth, and I am guessing they get a good employee discount to boot."

Yes I'm sure you are right that Apple exploit this to pay lower salaries.

Just as advertising creatives are the biggest suckers for advertising, Apple employees are the biggest suckers for the Apple myth.

Maggie Shiels: "Apple crew do get to work on some of the coolest products on planet earth"

Ah, the old 成人论坛 pro-Apple bias showing it's head again.

Also, the name of the planet has a capital letter.

Also, it's much more fun working on systems than hardware. From an engineering point of view with Apple it's just a pretty case.

"Still I suppose the Apple crew do get to work on some of the coolest products on planet earth, and I am guessing they get a good employee discount to boot."

How much does apple pay for all this advertising the 成人论坛 puts out for it?
Personally I'd rather take an extra 拢13k a year than a discount ipod.

I really gets my goat that in a PC or Mac or whatever there are chips with in excess of 1,000,000,000 transistors in them that can process 125,000,000,000 instructions a second.

And LAZY hacks look at the case.

Sorry to be critical but could the 成人论坛 find someone who actually knows something about the subject to write dot.life?

Last week we had "shock horror" ADSL is slower further from the exchange, which is in the spec of the zarking specification and always has been.

I'm really Shocked at that wages.
I mean, I was thinking, with all the perks I can understand that they won'y pay the best, but firms in this country (UK) will pay you that much and they aren't even multinationals or Market leaders.

I Think Google is the best for its employees (friends have told me) but they are very clever in the perks that they offer you.

Call it a Conspiracy theory or not, but having spoken to their employees; the free food, video games, and 'relax zones' are all very very clever ideas conjured up by occupational physiologists.
If there are objects of desire, that you do not have the luxury of having at your own home or will spend with your own cash, you get the wealth affect. You try and use them as much as possible.
Now with this employees can stay at work for longer hours, as when tired 'drained' they have somewhere to get away from it all.
This leads to longer hours spent in Google, amongst your co-workers, and thus adding to productivity, because instead of spending 37.5 hours a week, you end up spending over 50.

According to me those guys at Google are Genius!

I'm sure working on cool products and getting a discount on them is worth 拢13,000 in salary.

Or not.

This is a good article but please, Maggie, put down the kool aid.

Most of the companies in question were set up by young entrepreneurs/engineers, at the time they were in their 20s or early 30s and had the determination and drive to work long hours (I have coded all night as well). So, they hired similar people, and kept the same culture in the company going for a very long time. For example, I remember reading about Bill Gates sleeping in the server room.

The problem is that most of the employees probably have families, or lives outside the company. I find it a bit disturbing that corporations expect us to dedicate our lives to them. There is a fine line between making the work place comfortable and making it our home. I wouldn't work in an office where I feel uncomfortable or my colleagues do not communicate at all. I enjoy interacting with people, and going for coffee breaks, etc. However, come 5 o'clock I am out of the door.

Even Bill Gates is taking an early retirement, he had enough. So, he should understand that we all have lives outside the corporate world.

I have worked and lived in San Francisco for the past 10 years. Through the dot com craze, the dot come bust and out the other end.

When in my 20's like most of my friends I worked long hours for ok money and stock options. Some of my friends worked for very little money and lots of stock options. Once the bust happened it became apparent to me the only employee->employer relationship that makes sense is as a service provider. I provide a service that I get market rate for.

No in my 30's with kids I am an independent contractor work gets paid by the hour. I don't want free lunch's, equipment discounts or a game room. I want to do a good job and get paid for it.

I do sometimes still go to Happy Hours and tech meet ups. You see the next wave of 20 year olds. Working on the next big Ruby on Rails start up or on some cool Widget. Once again earning very little pay and hoping for the illusive Round A of funding or IPO.

hi there

Thanks for your comments re my blog and it seems I have really set the heather on fire regarding that Apple remark.

Let me assure you there is no Apple bias at the 成人论坛.

Many of you make a valid point that my comment is open to misinterpretation. Generally speaking writing the blog does allow me to be a bit more casual in the language I use.

I guess what I meant didn't come over very clearly and what I should have said was that 'there is a general perception that Apple makes some of the coolest products around.' And one can argue that 'til the cows come home I realise.

In the famed political language of the moment, I mispoke and apologise if it ticked some of you off.

Thanks though for taking the time to pass comment and keep me on my toes.

Maggie Shiels

'mispoke', hehe

Nice response Maggie.

Well done 成人论坛! More Apple propaganda. I think this 'famed political language of the moment' is just Marketing really isn't it?

Don't you think there IS a bias for Apple at the 成人论坛 if just about every blog response is pointing it out?

Maybe if the 成人论坛 is the 'coolest' broadcaster on Earth it would be a 'cool' idea of them to lower your salary accordingly?

Only a suggestion.

@hon3stly

I take it you missed Maggie's apology? I've been critical of the Apple coverage but kudos to her for recognising that even if it's not a real problem it's a perceived one.

No need to go on about it.

I enjoy reading the opinions in these blogs, but don't take them too seriously. Your can like Apple products and say so without it being a criminal offence.

I share the writers views about cool Apple products, but guess what... I haven't actually shelled out any cash to buy one. Likewise I loathe and detest Mirco$oft in all it's incarnations, but I've spent lots of dosh on their software. Guess they've got the last laugh!

I can see there are loads of Microsoft fanboys commenting here!

And the Microsoft fanboy has stooped so low that they attack an unbiased organisation and its staff for telling the world that Apple is in fact the innovative company!

Look, MS Fanboys... take the hint, MS is really bad and constantly fail the customer and that includes you.

If it wasn't for Bill Gates we'd probably have the computing knowledge to have set up an outpost on Mars already!

Carry on 成人论坛, it is good how you are educating everyone that the commercial world is stuck in a Micorsoft created rut and that there are far better and higher quality alternatives out there.

I don't own or use any Microsoft software so how does that make me a fan boy?

Anyway... back to the subject matter of the article. GlassDoor.com and before it, sites like TheCareerMole.com and Vault.com are all trying to increase transparency between job hunters and employers to help people (and companies) make better recruitment decisions. A noble aim. The key -as maggie highlights - is to take everything with a pinch of salt, and use as many information sources a possible ensure a balanced view before you make any life changing decisions based on anonymous postings

what is it with some people? it's a blog, if Maggie wants to make a comment about apple she can. What is it with you apple haters??
If you don't like their products don't buy them but their's plenty of us that do.

The Apple/PC wars seem ridiculous to me. There is no such thing as 'the best' platform. It all depends on context. I am a professional sound reinforcement engineer and I need many platforms in my work, not just Windows and Apple. I find the constant argument about which is better to be a distraction and ultimately a disservice to the end user, me, who needs them all to work together.

We can't say this thing has high credibility. I tried to enter details about microsoft and it went in. This is completely boggus since I never worked there.

I'd much rather things like but it's only for video game professionals and don't show you salaries, just a perception of it