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Aren't you conflating anarchists and luddites? Why wouldn't an anarchist use a cell phone? I thought anarchists were against centralised government rather than anti-technology.

I found this on Wikipedia on a search about anarchists - "The self-administration of society is now made possible by technological advancement" and the "liberatory potential of technology" is mentioned.

Although, apparently there are some "green anarchists who advocate the simple life. I also found an article on anarcho-primitivists who are not apparently keen on technology.

Just to agree and reiterate the last comment. Anarchism is a political system, not necessarily the absence of any social decorum and certainly does not predispose to violent direct action or itself exclude the use of technology. Shame to see such a reactionary and sensationalist misappropriation of a word usually associated with the gutter press, used by the 成人论坛 and you Rory, otherwise much respected.

"just a minute - anarchists using iPhones? Or Twitter? Does that really compute?"

Yes, it does, actually. I imagine that you think anarchism is just a movement that wants to bring about chaos? Actually, it isn't: if you read some Kropotkin or some William Godwin you would find this out pretty fast. This blog entry is just silly. But hey, I guess an especially pompous kind of goading is worth more than actual journalism these days.

Please stop posting tripe about us. Thanks.

Although you should be congratulated for posting a post that shows a place where Twitter is not the be all and end all - it had seemed this blog was Twitter's PR machine...

Just to offer you some help:

Twitter has no revenue stream - it can't make any money. Any attempt to charge users will simply cause them to leave in huge numbers and it only works with huge numbers. Their API, though allowing many wonderfully simplistic devices makes it impossible to display adverts to end users to generate cash. When VC funding runs out, Twitter will have tweeted for the final time. If you don't believe me, do a Q&A with Twitter and you will notice how evasive they are.

Twitter has a poor uptime reliability record compared to most services - even social media sites. This is related to a) their revenue problems and b) the herculean task they have to overcome.

How about some honest reporting about the release date of the next Windows system, innovations in the hardware system (such as Intel's latest i7 architecture) or a honest appraisal of the Onlive service which had a nice full page in the technology section of 成人论坛 News.

Expand on New news articles, not just do a Twitter search and see what comes up!

Our anarchist friends shouldn't be too hard on Rory - after all, can we really expect a hack working for a state-funded broadcaster to be able to comprehend a civil society existing without the state?

Did you perhaps conflate anarchists with anti-capitalists? Anarchists have no qualms with making use of mass-produced technology; anti-capitalists would be somewhat hypocritical to do so.

I'm with Rory, actually. Mobile phones are ultimately controlled by multinational corporations. They are agents of social organisation. I haven't studied it, but surely anarchism is opposed to social self-organisation, since politics and government are merely developments of this? On either point - signing a contract (real or, in the case of pay-as-you-go, tacit) with a phone company, or organising into groups (whether by mobiles or otherwise) - they aren't remaining true to their cause?

Twitter seems more individualistic, and therefore more anarchic. I suppose you could say 'I'll be here at such-and-such-a-time', without subscribing to a hierarchy. Still, social netowrking is largely a matter of following trends - can that be truly anarchic?

''I spent Wednesday trying to monitor events via Twitter, Facebook, AudioBoo, and various websites.''

That sounds constructive, Rory. I'm sure 成人论坛 licence-fee payers will be glad to know that.

Despite the presumed anarchic appeal of Twitter, Twitter extols slavish admiration of popular posters, encourages ruthless competition and posting appeal, whilst collating messages together in a fruitless, homogeneous lump of roving drivel.

Is this anarchism? Is the beauty of anarchism the voice of all reflected simultaneously upon itself? Rather like a sort of Ancient Greek democracy - the loudest voice gaining authority.

No. Anarchism is simply about relinquishing historically typical methods of hierarchical control. Which, with global corporate entities and various governments fleeting aimlessly and irresponsibly onto Twitter and other social media websites, seems inherently opposed to such methods of communication.

Twitter is simply another method of control, another method of distorting our perspective of the world and of the natural order and beauty of life. However subconscious and ulterior this motive might be.

Rory Cellan-Jones writes "Did they organise that via Twitter? I'd be surprised - it's a very public place to talk about something you don't want the police to hear."

any and all electronic communications are monitored routinely, if you don't want the police to know you'll have to whisper straight into an ear ;-(

Anarchists frequently use technology. They don't often use centralized technology the actual mechanics of which are out of their hand. Something where you just have the front-end like any cloud computing, and like twitter, is heavily centralized and quite against the Anarchist ethos (generally speaking).

As to Twitter being private or not private... it's a matter of whether or not they can hide in the crowd. The way to keep something secret while on twitter is to rely on it not being noticed because there's so much to look through.

iPhones linked to anarchists. Ha!

I couldn't imagine anything funnier than an anarchist with an iPhone lording it over a Nokia user...

Sorry had to do it.

The protestors are nothing but hypocrites, wanting to destroy "the system" but quite happy to use the products and services it supplies, quite happy to have their education and benefits funded by the taxes "the system" reaps.

The anarchists using iPhones tweet was one of mine from Wednesday:



It seemed perfectly natural, how some of them were using iPhones. The GPS and map capabilities means they could quickly work out where to go to next. The web-based news kept them up to date with what was being reported. Email, Twitter, phone were quick methods of disseminating information.

Quick: Yes, even if they were being monitored, the immediacy of information collection and dissemination would make it very difficult for the police to track what was going on. It was admirable to see how skilled one group of them were at using technology to organise and re-organise.

@Joe_Librarian

So then if we want to prevent further damage to property etc we should ban/destroy iPhones?

Sounds like a plan to me... (Joke)

My stereotype of anarchists is Victorian looking gentlemen with fulsome beards and of top-hatted besuited gentlemen throwing explosives at aristocrats and authority figures.

American anarchists were blamed for setting off a huge bomb on Wall Street in 1920, killing 30 and injuring hundreds. My image of late nineteenth and early twentieth century gentlemen blowing up stuff always made me associate anarchists with technological savvy.

If only the Sex Pistols hadn't written "I give a wrong time, stop a traffic light, I want to destroy passers by" and instead written "I want to enter into a mutually beneficial exchange of the fruits of my labour with you without the imposition of tax from a central government supported by a professional police force" then it might be clearer what anarchists are after.

The suggestion that anarchism and technology are inconsistent is obviously ridiculous.

However, 'Just a minute - anarchists using iPhones? Or Twitter? Does that really compute?'. No, it doesn't. Name a device more conformist than an iPhone, or a more homogenised group of people ready to accept heirachical control than it's users.

The iPhone, and a few other 'essential' items, are the contemporary equivalent of the blue overalls of the party.

I don't have an i-phone and I'm not an anarchist yet I don't see the i-phone as anything more than a neutral tool. Isn't it how you use it that matters? If you're using it to organise the collapse of society then that's pretty anarchic, innit?

The feeling of some contributors seems to be that a tool like the i-phone is inherently invested with the quality of conformity and acceptance of hierarchy, but if you set it on fire and threw it at a policeman for example or even kept the device intact and sent a message that resulted in the Houses of Parliament being burnt down then I don't see how that is conformist or accepting of hierarchy. I'd go so far as to say it is no more conformist than a brick (throw it at a policeman or build a house) or a sword (use it for robbery or to protect) or a nuclear bomb (blow up other countries or turn it towards space and blow up the next asteroid that is heading our way and save all life on earth). It's not the tool itself it's how people use them.

This all reminds me of a certain relative of mine who gets upset when he sees nuns wearing glasses and carrying cameras, he feels that if they are going to adopt old-fashioned dress they should be consistent.

I'd not be surprised is Anarchists do use twitter.

What I'd like to know is where they get the money for the iPhone and similar devices to enable them to?

A lot of them look like they're unemployed and when interviewed come across that way, I work for a living and I can neither afford to take days off to run amok and cause anarchy, nor can I afford an iPhone.

Or are we talking about elite well paid middle-England anarchists here?

Rory, I'm sorry, but your article shows an astounding lack of knowledge and understanding of the development of the internet and social media.

Rewind to the last five years of the 80s in the US. The WWW hadn't yet been invented and the internet was primarily about BBS and Usenet - and the space was full of anarchists and activists. Hackers, Crackers and Phreeks were, at the very least, inspired by anarchist punk ideas, but many were defined themselves specifically as being anarchists.

December 1994 gave techno-anarchists their defining influence. The Zapatista uprising in Chiapas, Mexico, was distinguished by their innovative use of new technology - particularly cell phones and the internet. Political campaigning on the web was born as anarchist groups around the world started to link up with the Zapatists online and offline and publicise their action. They also started to link up with each other online.

Jump forward another five years and, in the midst of the Battle of Seattle, the first global user-generated news website was created. Mosbunall of the people who built and grew Indymedia over the years are anarchists and anarchist DIY ideas are at the core of the project.

Anarchists have been central to the way the internet developed in its early years as an accessible system. The internet has been a defining influence on modern anarchism, particularly as the Left in general need to redefine itself following the collapse of the Soviet Union.

So, to conclude, not only is it not surprising that anarchists use the iPhone and Twitter, if you look close enough, you might find some anarchists were involved in building them.

How do anarchists view it possible to live in a society without a government?



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