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Whilst searching for Pound v Euro clearly ought to work, a search for "Pound Euro" on both sites immediately returns the exact information that you're searching for.

You made me curious so I searched for "pasty"

Both Bing! and Google show the wikipedia entry (wikipedia appears to be a common theme here) however I did take great delight that Google had the following result displayed half way doen the page ?

The reason there are pre-orders for Windows 7 is because it basically doubles in price when it goes on sale! With XP users having to clean install (losing two decades of data), I don't see myself upgrading soon. But, anecdotes aren't data I suppose. I've got no objection to them doing a good job. Just haven't seen any evidence other than a lot of self-congratulatory back-slapping so far.

These technology pages are fast becoming a joke, is Bing the most exciting story you could find concerning Microsoft?

I would have thought that Windows 7 encryption being broken more than 3 months before the release date would have more weight and relevance?

I don't think I can ever go back to Microsoft for the evil policies they have introduced, forcing us to sign contracts AFTER handing over oour money. Now all other companies do the same.

Microsoft, I hope you go bust for that!

It would be nice to have an article about MS without the usual vapid nonsense from the peanut gallery.

Anyway...

I went to Bing then back to Google then back to Bing. Bing is getting better whereas Goggle seems more unfocused and fuzzy than it was before. I think Bing has a bit to go yet but I like it so far.

The syntax for finding the exchange rate in google is: 1 GBP in EUR

It shows you a dedicated exchange rate screen.

@ digital_elysium

That syntax is all fine and well for literate techy types... But for the vast majority is frankly pish. It's certainly not a plain English search query.

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I love Bing now. I've started to actively demonstrate it around some of the less techy members of the extended family who've been generally frustrated with Google. The fact that you can hover over a search result to bring up a more in depth preview of that page is a huge time saver, and as *everyone* who uses it already waxes lyrical about the video search is fantastic.

The only thing that's keeping google in my history is accidentally calling it up through muscle memory - but that will change with time.

It seems much of a muchness and is little more than a branding war. The mobile device platform is where the real action is. Google is well placed for a lot of this being the standard search.

Google have also done a lot for small businesses like mine by distributing Google Apps for free, a service that I am now more than prepared to pay for if asked.

Microsoft always seem to have this thing about numbers, being able to say "we have X million messenger users" seems to be very important to them, when really its meaningless.

For example LiveJournal have now created a new chat system which if you want to use it you have to sign up for a Microsoft Messenger account - which means a lot of new signups because they've basically been given no choice.

So that's a lot more messenger users - but does this mean MS Messenger is better than AIM or Yahoo Chat?

The shift of Yahoo Search to using Bing is just another number boosting exercise for Microsoft and one that, given the reaction in the tech press, is doomed to failure.

I tried Bing, I didn't like it, I just didn't like the results I got back from its searches.

I for some reason prefer Bing and have now set it to my default search engine.

Can I just point out that you seem to be rather critical of Vista (even if it is not the main part of the post). I've had no considerable problems with Vista, at least none that weren't easy to fix and fewer problems than XP. I suspect most people don't even know they run Vista and many probably don't have problems, so aren't vocal about them. Vista just seems incumbent because more people are vocal (link to the development of the internet?) about their problems and they are probably really in the vast minority.

i found the ``oldest tv in britain`` article by bbc , in bing search engine as with in the first 10 results-

I prefer Bing to Google - but GMail is much better than Hotmail so I find myself using Google.

Bing is doing something right - I manage several e-commerce websites and the traffic we get from Bing converts far better than Google or Yahoo!

GYMarshy that's very interesting that you get a better conversion rate from Bing. Do you by any chance buy adverts on all three? or none? Or just Bing?

I started along the same lines as the author, trying to test Bing and Google. However, I came across www.bing-vs-google.com (I have no affiliation to this site). I now use this site as my default search engine. I must say, Bing has surprised on the upside, I though Google would be very hard to beat. Some thoughts so far:
Im in academia, and Google is much better bringing up academic work.
If you misspell a word, both will present a did you mean link. However, Google, at least, brings back a best-effort. Bing does not.
The Show Options link from Google provides more valuable insight into the search results than Bings left pane.
However, outside of academic work, I have found that the results I was most interested in are clustered to the top more often with Bing. When presented with both Google and Bing results for the same search, I have found I prefer Bings results. A big surprise to me. So credit where credit is due. Well done MS.
Finally, both engines are not biased towards their own offerings, and the detractors of their competitors. Google will often have a Google Books link somewhere near the top; Bing will not. A search for Microsoft Blog will for Bing, largely return blogs absent of blogs that are not on message. But before, you jump up and say how evil they are. The same is true for Google Blog, Google will only return friendly blog results. Even though this isnt a rigorous exercise, I would say Google use the search results they present to you to push their products much more than Bing does for MS.

Typing "4.75 pounds in euros" will provide a conversion in google, and has done for years. As will typing "拢4.75 in ". Just typing "Pounds to euros" will give you a rate too. What were you typing that didn't find this?

The number of visits to MSN.co.uk is complete twaddle. Basically anyone who logs out of htomail properly is FORCED to visit MSN.co.uk as that is where it redirects you. I know no one who uses the site by choice.

@wangi1
@ digital_elysium
That syntax is all fine and well for literate techy types... But for the vast majority is frankly pish. It's certainly not a plain English search query.

Hmmm. "[quantity] [source] in [destination]" hardly requires a Nobel Prize to figure out. And I would say it is actually more "plain English" than Rory's search. You wouldn't usually do a conversion by saying "What is 1 pound v Euro?" - You'd say: "What is 1 pound in Euros?" or "Convert 1 pound to Euros" - both of these plain English searches produce the same dedicated conversion screen in Google.

It's Rory's search of "4 pound v Euro" which is "frankly pish" and any attempt at a natural English search would have given him tbe right answer.

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"16 million visitors to the MSN homepage each month."

would this have anything to do with the default settings in Internet Explorer which is shipped as part of the near-mandatory Microsoft OS on every PC sold in the UK ?

I would suggest that a large proportion of these visits is made other than at the will of the user, just as all those that "chose" Vista found there wasn't anything else in the shops.

Re "pound v euro" - Im not sure about Bing, but Google certainly lets you find out the current exchange rate - search for "1 pound in euros" or "1 gbp in euro" half the battle with searching is knowing how to invoke the search you actually want.

Does the 成人论坛 technology lot not know about google calculator? Too much time tweeting each other?
Try "twenty two furlongs per month in miles per fortnight"

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If people are using Firefox to browse the web

You can do everything that bing does on google by adding some add ons, which i admit make the browsing experience better

For example

Googlepedia -
GooglePreview -

Theres many more out there

:)

I've used Bing just once. My daughter finally agreed that I could blow away Vista and replace it with XP (Linux was a step too far, but I'm working on that). I got XP installed, and loaded up IE. It defaulted to an MSN page, with Bing as the default engine.

I typed in 'Firefox download' -- and the rest, as they say, is history. Bye, bye Bing.

Being only a casual computer user I find it hard to understand the misguided loyalty many of the commenters on this blog seem to have to Google. Do they think that it's somehow uncool to support Microsoft products? Do they realise the vast ammounts of data which Google is holding about each of them? But I suspect I'm probably the only person here which has not installed Linus Torvald's hobbyist OS and that most of you would follow Google regardless of that they turned out.

Ground bait lain....whipping my barbless now....

@wangi1

"That syntax is all fine and well for literate techy types... But for the vast majority is frankly pish. It's certainly not a plain English search query."

Oh sure. Everything should just work for stupid people. No skill or knowledge should be required. Duh!

"I've spent some time in recent days with Microsoft executives in the UK". Microsoft, Microsoft, Microsoft... when are you going to spend some time with executives from other software companies to find out what they're doing? You may discover something more innovative.

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Yawwwwn. Yet another pointless article really. Why do I read them ? bored or hope of something interesting.

Either way the debate about which is better for what info is clearly redundant because anything that is plain fact will obviously be found on something like Wiki or something. Any opinions or references would usually need a few good sources of evidence. Which makes them both useful. Since when has the first link of google ever had good information about on unspecific searches ?

But at the end of the day Bing, M$/Yahoo are just trying to take some advertising revenue off google. Which given the amount of software Google have either developed or bought is going to be pretty difficult. The search engine bit of it all is not how you entice users into clicking on your ads or good at generating expensive advert space.

Google are becoming so powerful on internet land that they have the capacity to monopolise internet advertising. If M$ think that they can catch up to google with yahoo and make any kind of advances on they need to be thinking of something new.

to be honest i find this bing thing rather rubbish compared to google. Also i feel as if it's microsoft's version of ripping off google. Although it may me slightly better "so people have been saying" i'd rather stick with old that's best.