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How dare you use such emotive words as "attack' on the 成人论坛, when it was in fact a balanced argument explaining dissatisfaction with the 成人论坛.

By mentioning the Guardians response proves to me that your biased reporting is getting worse, also perhaps you would like to explain why every day you have a link to a Guardian article when all other papers are ignored?.

成人论坛 impartial....rubbish.

Oh, the Guardian defends the 成人论坛. What a surprise. Ideological bedfellows sticking together.

Well, it clearly was an attack on the 成人论坛. Whether you agree with Dacre's argument or not, you cannot plausibly say it was not an attack given the extremely forceful language in which it was phrased.

As for the number of Guardian articles: the Guardian has a separate Media section and reports much more extensively on the news in the media sector than other newspapers. The Guardian is thus more likely to run an article about the 成人论坛 than the other newspapers.

The Guardian is only interested in free speech if it reflects the Guardian's own NICE views.

This newspaper is PC perfect, with ever so NICE bland unchallenging views of a lovely polite and well mannered, well organised, tidy, clean, kind society, all huggins buggins xxxx

It reflects the challenging world of Milly Molly Mandy. I use it to line the cat tray, and so far the cat's motions are passed in the nicest possible way unimpeded by any challenging obstructions.

I wonder what odds you would have got on the Guardian defending the 成人论坛 in this instance?

Nobody is surprised by this. Do staff at the 成人论坛 understand how right on they are percieved by the public at large? It would be a national joke if it wasn't so tragic.

If the 成人论坛 is truely concerned about how it is percieved why not commission some independant polling? Look into people's perceptions of political bias at the 成人论坛 and see what results you get.

You may be surprised. My own veiw is you won't bother as you know the answer anyway and don't care.

I am astonished that apparently sane people are willing to stick up for Dacre's 'Daily Hate Mail'. If being British means anything it means being in favour of decency and fair play - words and concepts alien to the Daily Mail.

What some of the commenters here forget is that the Lance Price article [have they actually read it?] makes very clear that the 成人论坛 and The Guardian paper have strikingly different news values on the Church of England and the Royal Family.

So to criticise them as being the same is lazy and irresponsible.

I wonder what odds you would have got on the Guardian defending the 成人论坛 in this instance?

Nobody is surprised by this. Do staff at the 成人论坛 understand how right on they are percieved by the public at large? It would be a national joke if it wasn't so tragic.

If the 成人论坛 is truely concerned about how it is percieved why not commission some independant polling? Look into people's perceptions of political bias at the 成人论坛 and see what results you get.

You may be surprised. My own veiw is you won't bother as you know the answer anyway and don't care.

Dear N,

Your argument for why the Guardian is shown as a link everyday reinforces the point made by the other 4 bloggers.

You claim that the Guardian has the most extensive coverage of media news than any other newspaper, how do you know?, do you read all the other newspapers?, I can tell you as a Times and Daily Mail reader that the 成人论坛 is discussed in these newspapers everyday (mostly about the biased reporting).

It would have been nice to see a link to the Daily Mail article about the behaviour of Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight, to refresh your memory this is the interview in which he attacked the Roman Catholic Bishop for defending the RC churches stance on the adoption topic, and then allowed (surprise surprise) the pro-gay adoption activist to express their view without interrupting them.

No doubt to you 'N' this was balanced and impartial behaviour by Paxman and Newsnight?.

You want more examples of 成人论坛 bias?, okay, here is a few...Honours scandal being dropped from Newsnight on the day that the Police claimed that no.10 had a 2nd email system, refusing to publish the Bolan report into anti-Israeli bias, the proven fact that most 成人论坛 executives have been members of the Labour party, these are just last weeks examples of the 成人论坛 showing it's left-wing viewpoint.

Finally as Chloe mentioned in her post, 成人论坛 impartial.....RUBBISH

Has the 成人论坛 ever been accused of being right-wing?

If the 成人论坛 has absolute confidence in the neutrality of its reportage, why is it blocking the release of the ?

J M Deane says "has the 成人论坛 ever been accused of being right-wing"?

Erm, yes.... in the very article that we are supposedly discussing here! To quote from that article, "The royal family is treated with fawning coverage that sickens those of us who believe it's wrong for any position of power and influence to be a gift of birth... And when it comes to reverential, the special treatment meted out to the good reverends of the Church of England, and to a lesser extent to representatives of other religions, is monstrous." Or have a look at . Or listen to anything that comes out of the mouth of Steven Nolan, Vanessa Feltz, Jeremy Clarkson, etc.

J M Deane wrote:"Has the 成人论坛 ever been accused of being right-wing?"

Yes - in regards to the Battle of Orgreave and its re editing of news footage in favour of the police.

No 6 Philip
You say that "The 成人论坛 and the Guardian paper have strikingly different news values on the Church of England and the Royal Family". Do you really think these issues are where the problem is. A different list of topics was given by Peter Mullen, Rector of St Michael's, Cornhill, in the City of London, last year when talking about 成人论坛 bias:
"Everything is divided neatly into good and bad, light and dark. Here is a sample of the good and approved things: the United Nations, the EU, socialism, the establishment view on global warming, foreign aid, ethnic minorities and non-Christian religions. And here are some of the dark, bad things always disapproved: America, private education, elitism (that is the notion that we can actually distinguish between quality and rubbish), big business, foxhunting, smoking, Tories, the army, the police, stiff prison sentences, traditional Christianity."
I defy anyone to get the smallest piece of tissue paper between the 成人论坛 and the Guardian on these topics.
Why is it we are seeing attack after attack on the 成人论坛 lately, all referring to institutional leftist bias? No smoke without fire.

How about this for an explanation? It's not going to be popular.

On the whole, the sort of people who write for a quality paper like The Guardian or work for the 成人论坛 are more intelligent than the average member of the general public. Also, intelligent people tend to be centrists, perhaps slightly centre-right or slightly centre-left, but moderate. They're not taken in by exaggerated headlines like those that front The Independent (i.e. George Bush is evil) or front the Daily Express/Mail (i.e. immigrants are exploitative).

What's so disappointing about platforms (like this) that the 成人论坛 provides for their audiences' opinions is that they're dominated by people who just don't do moderate.

Lance Price is wrong to say that "Where the corporation differs from the Mail, however, is in its openness to debate." Where the 成人论坛 really differs is that those who dislike it and don't want to fund it go to jail. Those who dislike the Mail and don't want to pay for it can choose not to buy it.

It is this compulsion to pay for the 成人论坛 that is at the heart of the debate about whether it is biased or not. For those, such as the Guardian and Price, the 成人论坛 is just telling it how it is. For the Mail, and most of its readers, the 成人论坛 is institutionally left-wing. These two points of view cannot be reconciled - there is no evidence that can be brought forward to prove it one way or another. So the only solution is to scrap the mandatory licence, and make funding the 成人论坛 voluntary, either through subscription or pay-per-view. Then those who think it is biased won鈥檛 care anymore because they can spend their money with alternative media outlets that fit better with their politics.

And if the 成人论坛 and its supporters genuinely believe that "the vast majority of licence-fee payers are more than happy to pay for [it]" as Price claims, they should welcome this 鈥� because it will make little difference to the 成人论坛鈥檚 income. Or are they afraid of what might really happen if the British were given the choice of whether or not to pay for the 成人论坛?

Shock horror!! A left wing newspaper produced by PC loonies defends a left wing TV station full of PC loonies.

Why keep up the pretence that your not biased? Every time I read your claims of balance on this site I can't help thinking of the old Iraqi information minister, your detachment from reality beggars belief.

Philip #6; the 成人论坛 is not supposed to have views on the Church, the Royal Family, or anything else. It is supposed to report the news factually, objectively, impartially. This is because it is publicly funded. If its employees have views, they must keep them out of their work. If they want to work in media where they can experess their politics, let them get jobs in the private sector such as in newspapers sympathetic to their political positions.

成人论坛's political views pervade its entire corporate culture and programming. It is anti-American, Anti-Israeli, Anti-Tony Blair, and sympathetic to Euro-socialism. It is attempting to shape the views of the British population and I'm afraid it is succeeding. Because it is the most powerful media voice for news in the English speaking world, it is a menace to free speech.

Here's a recent typical example. In the events leading to the invasion of Somalia, 成人论坛 conducted interviews with the Islamic Courts Union sympathetic to Al Qaeda which was eventually kicked out of Mogadishu, with the recognized Transitional Somali government's officials, and with the Ethopian government's officials. The contrast was striking. The first interview was very friendly, even sympathetic to the interviewee. The latter two were highly confrontational, 成人论坛's interviewer even questioning their legitimacy to act. The invasion was supported by the United States. No surprise whose sympathies the 成人论坛 were with at all.

I write to say I am appalled at the manner of the man (I didn't get his name) interviewing John Reid at 8.25.

He has an ugly aggressive voice, he interrupts continually, he is very rude and all he has done is make me rather like and admire John Reid, which previously I did not do. I have not consciously heard this interviewer before and I hope I never do again. He does his cause no good at all.

JG鈥檚 (no. 13) good and bad list is spot on!

I agree with all that Mark (no.17) has to say except with his comments that the 成人论坛 is succeeding in shaping views. I don鈥檛 believe the 成人论坛/Guardian message is being bought by the British public. The only evidence for this line of thought comes from the 成人论坛 itself. Their idea of polling for opinions is to ask their correspondents or to wheel on a Fleet Street hack.

When I speak with real people they either (i) don鈥檛 care (the majority, I鈥檓 afraid) or (ii) like me, do not agree with most of the 成人论坛鈥檚 philosophies (nearly all the rest). I think the 成人论坛 and their carefully selected guests are on a planet of their own and talk themselves into believing their own propaganda. The trouble is that many of our MPs are also on this planet.

The 成人论坛 peddles the idea, in subtle terms, that their liberal/left policies have already won the day. Just as the Union flag was associated with bad images (mainly by the 成人论坛), nowadays the term 鈥渞ight wing鈥� has been hijacked. In effect the term 鈥渞ight wing鈥� is effectively banned on the airwaves, unless it is used in a derogatory sense. One exception this is when one increasingly hears the sentence: 鈥渢here is no right or left wing these days鈥� on the 成人论坛. Are they saying: 鈥渢here is no right wing, so we鈥檙e all on the same side now鈥�?

Well, sorry but there is and always will be left and right in politics as there is in any organised society, as there is in just about every country and there has been for thousands of years.

The dangerous thing about all this is that politicians have all succumbed to this propaganda. Did they have a choice? After all they want to appear on the telly and radio, don鈥檛 they? This is why the main political parties look and sound almost the same. As I said above, real people鈥檚 views are very much at odds with the 成人论坛鈥檚 views. As politicians become ever more 成人论坛 friendly, this leaves us with a dangerous disconnect between the People and their politicians. Mark, you are dead right: the 成人论坛 (Big Brother Corporation) is a menace to free speech.

The really sad thing is that free journalism is vital to a democracy. Journalists here and around the world have risked their careers, their lives 鈥� and even given their lives 鈥� in order to deliver unfettered news to the People. The 成人论坛鈥檚 defiance in this matter will not stand in the long run. Unless they smarten up their act, I suspect the 成人论坛鈥檚 days in its current form are numbered.

NB My last post to this blog did not make it (it mentioned Israel - well you can guess the rest). Let's hope I'm lucky this time.

The points made by some of the posts here are spot on, I live in Germany and therefore forced to listen to 成人论坛 World Service and News 24, it strikes me that the 成人论坛 is biased towards Labour, it is also clear in the reporters conversations with any Israeli, American (from the Republicans) and the Catholic Church that the 成人论坛 has no interest in their versions of events and are openly hostile.

In my opinion the 成人论坛 has lost it's reputation for impartial reporting and has no clue how to engage with the British population.
Also, last night I had to endure 4 different news reports without the 成人论坛 mentioning the fact that Lord Levy had be rearrested, the 成人论坛 instead decided that Prince Charles trip to the US was more newsworthy!.

Finally, can someone explain to me the purpose of News 24?, for every 5 mins of news I am inflicted with 10 mins of a clock counting down to the next news segment, why is this?, EuroNews does not do this?, also what is the point of asking 4 people on a debate and finding out that they are all Labour supporters?, how does this show that the 成人论坛 is impartial.

No 20
You are right about 成人论坛 debates. Their idea of balance is to get someone from the left, someone from the hard left, and someone from the moonbat left.