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"The Telegraph and some others wrongly interpreted this as an attempt on our part to seek out military detail... We certainly did not intend to seek out any military detail and wouldn't have published it if we had received it. It was our mistake to use that phrase, when we were simply asking for eye witness reports.

Eye witness reports of what? Troop activity and details? I would posit that the reporting on activity via 'eye witness reports' IS publishing military details, and, in this age of information, can be used to ascertain certain planned offensives and troop movements.

Just an observation...

P.S.

I think it was more akin to a Freudian slip, a subconscious revelation of 成人论坛's true sentiments than an inadvertent error. Don't kid yourself, in the war on terror including the battlefield in Iraq, I and I think others know exactly which side 成人论坛 is on...and it isn't ours.

I think it was an honest mistake, but for me it more highlights the near complete lack of military knowledge displayed in most defence reports. Be it concerning BAE or troops on the ground, please hire people who know what they're talking about! For the most part it reads like drivel, and hearing about "tanks" when referring to Warrior AFV's, for example, might not be seen to be a major problem, it doesn't exactly breed confidence in the rest of the report.

I think your response is specious and self-serving. You specifically asked if people had seen any troop movements - what is that if not seeking military detail? And, if it was merely poor phrasing, why not rephrase it rather than pulling the whole piece? No, I think that in reality you did want information in order to thicken up your story, and because it is deemed too risky for your own reporters to deploy into those areas, you ask for public assistance. Was it really only the Telegraph and a few others, as you state, or was it in fact more like a storm of criticism that caused you to pull the whole piece? Given that questions were being asked in the House yesterday, the latter seems more likely.

"The 成人论坛 takes its responsibilities regarding the security and safety of the armed forces extremely seriously. We would never publish information which would endanger their safety."

Fine words, but in reality the 成人论坛 has demonstrably and totally failed to impart this notion into the head of whichever sub-editor was responsible for the initial request. And the 成人论坛 has a track record of broadcasting information which does endanger troop safety: do you recall the furore at Goose Green?

Interesting to note that the whole sorry tale of yesterday's ghastly mistake is not today reported on the 成人论坛 website. Perhaps it will be left for a deft little swerve from some smooth-talking functionary on Radio 4's Feedback at the end of the week?

The 成人论坛 takes its responsibilities regarding the security and safety of the armed forces extremely seriously. We would never publish information which would endanger their safety.

Your words not mine, have you forgotton Goose Green or the fact that you reported that the Argantine Air force was dropping it bombs to low? My, what short memories you people seem to have.

You are meant to be the BRITISH Broadcasting Corperation, start supporting the lads for once eh?

A 'bad phrase', more like pure stupidity from an organisation which looks down it's cultured noses at our servicemen, and which doesn't even begin to understand what warfare is like. And the entire organisation is not worth one of the soldiers who have died. I respect all of our men, I have no respect for the 成人论坛 who make far too many mistakes when dealing with our military.

The Telegraph's sole purpose is to sell advertising so it can pay its staff 鈥� nothing wrong with that. That鈥檚 why it needs to bring up such pedantic issues as this one.
Mark you say the 成人论坛 isn鈥檛 鈥渙ur side鈥�, then who鈥檚 is it on then? Surly it shouldn鈥檛 be on anyone鈥檚 side? Are you seriously suggesting the 成人论坛 wanted to give away the position of our troops to help terrorists? I think that鈥檚 crazy, and if the 成人论坛 did want to do that they could think of better ways to get the information than by asking reader's of its web page!

You are traitors. That is all.

Post 2: Funny how you accuse the 成人论坛 of having anti UK bias when others accuse them of having a pro UK bias. Guess they can never win

"through this device we get many authentic first-hand accounts from all over the world. In Iraq it has been invaluable in finding out from people living there what has happened."

And how, may I ask, are they authenticated? Knowing what the 成人论坛 has become it will only use those reports which fit it's prejudices to further it's own liberal agenda. The 成人论坛 used to be the best and most reliable in the world at reporting the news..today it is little more than a propaganda outlet.

I've read the first 5 published comments, and agree totally. What planet are you people on? Your apology means nothing - it is neither sincere nor does it address the fundamental problem you have in reporting activity you know nothing about, nor care to support. Your phrasing about the 成人论坛 taking responsibilities seriously is simply laughable. Apart from the example given of Goose Green, what do you think about of the 成人论坛 reports of British deployments into the western desert before the liberation of Kuwait in 91? The journalist thrown off Army bases in South Armagh in the mid-90s for filing copy based on a confidential briefing he was given, with an embargo that he chose to ignore? A similar case occured in the Balkans in 96. The fact is, you can say whatever you like, but the reality is totally different.

You lot taking the licence fee for granted make me sick. One day, real life is going to come and mallet you idiots for real.

Have just seen the report on afganistan. Not ONE good word was said about our soldiers there. Dont be fooled by the "auntie" image the 成人论坛 is the world's biggest broadcaster and its influence is immense.

Asking people to report on troop movements is a new low even for the 成人论坛 this is at least a resignation issue for all concerned.

"We phrased it badly, and as soon as we realised what we had done - a couple of hours - we removed the form."

According to this source ( ) the question was posted at 09.30 GMT up to 13.40 GMT. That's four hours and 10 minutes

Are you not even capable of putting the corporate hand up honestly over the timing, is Revisionista wrong, or have you been inaccurately briefed?

Support the lads?

You must be joking matey. We may be the British Boadcasting Corporation but we take our duty of impartiality very seriously.

"Are you assembling a car bomb in Bahgdad this morning?" Email us with your experiences.

(Its so tricky, this impartiality)

Vicky Taylor,

Over the years I have watched the 成人论坛's reporting on terrorism with a growing disquiet. I have seen it distort and minimise and whitewash acts of terror and terrorists from Bali to Beslan, London to New York and Baghdad to Tel Aviv in its attempt to equate terror with "resistance". I have seen the T-word excised from the English language - except in the rare instances where it serves the 成人论坛's political agenda to use it.

But this latest episode had me shaking my head in utter disbelief.

Your response here is inadequate, to say the least. You are obliged to tell the public what steps you have taken to ensure that this gross betrayal of coalition forces in Iraq is not repeated. Do you intend to investigate the background and political leaning of whoever compiled that form? Has he or she been fired or at least disciplined and has anything been done to ensure that this episode will never be repeated? And if not, why not?

"Bad phrase?" No, this is not a matter of poor grammar. You are going to have to do a lot more to convince the public that the 成人论坛 has not crossed the line between apologising for terror and actively supporting it.

I don't think you set out to directly put troops at risk with this particular error. I think the person involved didn't understand the implications and probably didn't care. How many of your staff have a military background? Or even sympathy with the military? There is a massive difference in the quality of your reporting on Iraq/Afghanistan when Mark Urban (ex-army) does it. You really do need to look at the diversity of political opinions and backgrounds in your news staff. Your constant, carping criticism of the army probably does far more damage than this isolated event.

"We phrased it badly" - does that mean you could have phrased it better to get the same information? Weasel words, good enough for "Feedback".
And no, it wasn't a "mistake" or even a Freudian slip. It was bloody stupid.

Were not some members of the Black Watch killed, some time ago, because of publication of military movements?
Then there are reporters with the troops and there was one in discussion with the enemy.
The media does not accept that war is war, especially to those doing the fighting.

""We would never publish information which would endanger their safety""

You wouldn't need to publish any sensitive information in order for it to get into the wrong hands.

I am sure there are scortes of people within your contemptuous organisation who would be only to willing to forward such emails on to people who could make good use of them - whether or not they are published is totally irrelevant.

Lame apology, lame excuse, lame programming, lame reporters (they'll report from a distance because its too dangerous), lame value for money. What exactly is my licence fee paying for? Its hardly surprising I watch the other channels. perhaps its time we all refused to pay our licence fee, after all you wouldn't pay for rubbish service, or something you don't want in the high street.

It's not all that many years ago the IRA were leaving Carbombs on the Beeb's doorstep.

Oh well, I guess even the Provo's are capable of Friendly Fire.

Seriously though, the 成人论坛 has failed to make it's researches aware of the immense responsibility they bear in reporting both accurately and responsibly.

This may have seemed like a small gaffe but the 成人论坛 'hopefully' should be aware that in the grander scheme, a wrongly timed comment to fill webspace or airtime could oh so easily cost, not just the lives of our armed forces but the lives of civilians too.

The trouble with painting yourself into a corner like this is that the harder you try to get out, the deeper you actually get in. So it comes down to a choice between believing the worst, that 成人论坛 deliberately wanted to reveal troop movements even at the risk of getting them killed as some think or of 成人论坛 being so stupid and careless that it didn't even consider the consequences of what it was saying as it's apologists and the 成人论坛 itself would like us to believe. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The question that ultimately arises is; where does the explanation of ignorance and stupidity lose credibility to the point where no reasonable person could conclude that the intent was other than malicious? Given 成人论坛's consistant editorial track record opposing every aspect of this war, some of us may have concluded that point was passed a long time ago.

"The 成人论坛 takes its responsibilities regarding the security and safety of the armed forces extremely seriously. We would never publish information which would endanger their safety"

That's the biggest joke I've seen on the Beeb for 24 years.

A lot of us remember the Beeb passing on troop movements during the Falklands War via the 成人论坛 World Service and telling the Argentianians to reset their bomb fuses.

Get some of your legal bods to point out what the penalty is for attempted treason

Chance of this posting appearing? Almost nil

"Bad Phrase", my @#%$. I'm sure your staff realized what it was doing. The 成人论坛 has no regard for the soldier's lives, UK or US. This is just another example of your organization puting self interest above what best and right.

In the coverage on how the 15 British sailors were captured by Iran, I can't BELIEVE how the media has refrained from emphasizing the fact that the Iranians never returned our equipment!! If they are seizing it, what are the justification? They claimed that the Prophet forgave them all. I don't know if the Prophet told them to steal the equipment too. This is literally state-sponsored robbery and a massive provaction by the Iranians, and I can't believe what a doormat Tony Blair was!!!

I refer you all to the 成人论坛 radio & tv reports of secret meetings with the Taleban in their areas a few months ago. The 成人论坛 was full of puff about how intrepid & dangerous it had all been.
I wrote at the time that the journalists etc. had undoubtedly met with enemies of our Armed Forces & I questioned what would be the 成人论坛 position if GB forces had been moving to those places, i.e. would the 成人论坛 have informed our soldiers of the Taleban laying in wait?
There comes a time when 成人论坛 "impartiality" is a sick & ugly rumour!

Treasonous or grosly incompetent? You choose, Vicky, because a little mistake it certainly aint.

I think it is interesting that the 成人论坛 ask for details of British troop movements, but not for details of insurgent activity. shows something about the slant of their reporting.

Sadly, this is just another example of 成人论坛 bias, and an organization that has completely lost touch with the people that have to pay 130+ GBP per house hold as an imposed license fee (tax) for the privilege of having to suffer this utter rubbish.

This is an organization that displays at poster on the newsroom wall depicting President Bush (I am no fan of his) as Adolph Hitler. This would lead to instant dismissal in the company I work for. No heads rolled for this incident, and no heads will roll for this latest example of 成人论坛 tom-foolery.

The best way ahead is for the 成人论坛 to be privatized, not only will this remove a considerable tax burden on the British taxpayer, but would result in a top to bottom clean-out this politically and culturally irrelevant organization.

Al Taylor

What a bunch of self-righteous tripe posted here by all the earlier contributors.

One wonders if any of them have ever made a mistake in their lives? Certainly none of them understand anything about running the world's largest broadcasting organisation.

In the thousands of hours of broadcasting material published by the 成人论坛 on that day it is hardly surprising an error like this goes unnoticed for a while.

The key is that the item was removed swiftly after being reported. So well done the 成人论坛 on that, and on apologising for it sincerely.

Bravo for this apology, but it is a shame other editors couldn't do the same and acknowledge the complaint I made about the story where you asked for pictures of a burning van in which the body of a the victim still lay.

I did point out then how disgusting the idea of the 成人论坛 begging for photo's of an accident scene was, but no one had the decency to respond, not even to tell me how I was wrong and the 成人论坛 were right (as it usually the case).