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Surely there's a bit of a dilema though, if you report everything honestly, for example, the story of what happened to those imprisoned within camps around the time of the election, then the beeb will just get banned again within days.

If the 成人论坛 sticks to the facts and does not speculate, forecast and comment, then it may be able to continue to report from Zimbabwe.

Kudos for the 成人论坛 in having the guts to report so accurately that they were banned in the first place!

Blah blah! Sanctions against UDI. Democracy at work. Rainbow Nation. Blah blah!
What's this, trying to rebuild what wasn't broken to start with before the 成人论坛 and all the other Left wing clones stuck their self-righteous noses into it? Africa is Africa. I doubt most of the people in the 成人论坛 have even been there, let alone know what they're talking about.

The tyrant Muagbe knows that if the 成人论坛 can legally report in Zimbabwe
it will be easier to control and manipulate. The truth is when the 成人论坛
reports "undercover" the news is more accurate and real and reveals
the truth about the famine and poverty and corruption that is now woven
into the foundation of the country that is Zimbabwe.
Mr Mugabe also wants "funding" from the IMF and this is the beginning
of the illusion of "change" that will help it get money from the US and EU.

Jon Williams:
I am very glad and kudos for the return of 成人论坛 in Zimbabwe....

~Dennis Junior~

Good luck to the 成人论坛. Personally, I don't think Mugabe is a guy anyone can do business with. If, you disagree, try free access to the situation in farms, or prisons, or hospitals as first assignment and see what access will be given.

I shouldn't unpack just yet.

Is it silly season already?

I thought journalists worked for a living; stories handed to you on a plate seldom match up to the stories that come from more circuitous routes. Or do the 成人论坛 enjoy tea and biscuits with Mugabe?

Whether the 成人论坛 is welcome or not should be completely irrelevant given the history of this particular part of Africa.

Dear John Williams,
You are bringing a good news to Zimbabwe,England,成人论坛 and to us
Good to start to cover what is actually happeing in Zimbabwe.
Who had lost a very good media network.
Because of individual power set up in the name of rule -all had made Zimbabwe to suffer by many ways.
Now, 成人论坛 will do real,free news flowing to us by proper,lively coverages,analysis,interviw with major political parties and with freedom lovers.
Good ,re-union,restoration of world best media enterance.

I would like to see the 成人论坛 explore ,
Is Mugabe an evil man , or has he done his best despite the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune ? Such as the possibly destructive past actions of the IMF , sanctions and drought ? Or is he a scapegoat puppet for a junta in the background ?
Was it right for white farmers to have swimming pools and air conditioning while their workers lived in mud huts ?
Did he get a genuine majority in the last election ?
Was he trying ( and has failed ) to keep his country independent of the Big Powers , such as China and the US ; and will the West now exploit Zimbabwe ?

成人论坛 coverage of Zimbabwe and Africa in general follow a strictly colonial agenda, misinformation and in the case of Zimbabwe should not be allowed in until they prove they have rediscovered some integrity in reporting by for eg highlighting the role ZEDRA (2001)and its impact on the Zim economy. The 成人论坛 and western media in general have their own wicked agenda when it comes to Africa; they are nothing more than the propaganda arm of their governments foreign policy.

I want to know:

1) While never passing up an opportunity to mention world record hyperinflation in Zimbabwe, and using that as a stick to cause regime change in Zimbabwe, why has the 成人论坛 never reported on the Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001 (S.494, of the 107th US Congress), introduced in early 2002? In it, the country of Zimbabwe is put on a credit freeze, specifically through Section 4C, named Multilateral Finance Restriction (available online - google: zimbabwe democracy economic recovery act 2001 govtrack). The fact that the country's credit lines were frozen overnight, while requiring the government to pay off existing debt, would have a serious impact on financial policy, yet somehow the 成人论坛 never cared to mention such a crucial fact. In fact since it's introduction in 2002, the 成人论坛 has kept completely quiet about this crucial piece of legislation.

2) The extreme bias in it's reporting on Zimbabwe. Why did the 成人论坛 sacrifice it's reputation for professionalism and evenhandedness, to become a mouthpiece for the Foreign Office/MDC effort to overthrow a government whose domestic policy it disagreed with? The last propaganda story that blew up in the 成人论坛's face is the Sekai Holland story, which was immediately retraced by Sekai Holland herself, denounced by Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai. What got me is that even though the 成人论坛 found it fit to print, it never fact checked any of the allegations, let alone examined them for their credibility - nor asked how Sekai Holland would know that there were exactly '39,000' militiamen being paid exactly '$100' per day to 'beat up MDC members during elections'. Didn't rational minds look at this and decide that it sounded just a little like propaganda? Unless of course the 成人论坛 sold it's soul to become propagandists for corporate interests, such as the $100 million LonZim fund, created by LonRho to buy up Zimbabwean state assets for cents on the dollar after the MDC 'privatized' them.

3) Why has the 成人论坛 never interviewed a happy New Farmer? Among the literally hundreds of thousands of recipients of land, certainly there must be a lot of people who like being able to farm on something bigger than the 2 to 3 hectares that the average African farmer was assigned to during colonialism and FDI. Why has the 成人论坛 never shown a positive story about the recipients of land reform? There must be a lot of people who are glad to have received land.

4) Why did the 成人论坛 never sollicit the Zimbabwean government to give it's side of the story, but printed anything the MDC said without factchecking, as if it were the gospel truth?

Well done back inside gives you the legitimacy to report the realities of Zimbabwe with authority all be it of a despot dictator.

However by careful craft you will be able to expose the reality of life in this region and by stealth bring about some world consciousness on one region in which reform might be achieved.

Remember with position comes responsability.

Gently gently catch a monkey has never been as relevant as it is here good luck there are millions of lives dependant on you now.

Also, why is President Mugabe referred to as 'a tyrant' and 'a dictator', when the *parliamentary opposition* has been included in the government? What dictator has a parliamentary opposition at all? What dictatorship has an independent judiciary, which regularly finds against the government. Or an opposition press which criticizes the government? Or has never missed an election since independence, 29 years ago? This is blatant propaganda, and the 成人论坛 should call it out as such.

Was President Mugabe every a 'president for life', like the late Omar Bongo of Gabon, or even Houphouet-Boigny of Cote D'Ivoire? The difference of course, is that these true presidents for life never challenged western ownership of African resources, and were willing Quislings, in the exploitation of their people's resources.

When President Mugabe not only effectively redistributed land (as opposed to the snail's pace Willing Buyer, Willing Seller program, deliberately underfunded by Britain and finally cancelled by Claire Short/Tony Blair), his example became a threat to similar ownership of African land in Namibia, South Africa, Botswana, Kenya and other African countries, where land was stolen from the African people.

When he supported the legitimate government of Laurent Kabila in the DRC, through SADC, he became a threat to the British and UK funded coltan-grab by Laurent Nkunda in the Eastern DRC, and the massive diamond holdings and logging operations of for instance the likes of Maurice Tempelsman, Dany Gertler, Dany Steinmetz/Oppenheimer (who still own the world's biggest gold fields in South Africa) and the Blattner Family and their multi-billion dollar southern DRC logging operations.

That is who he offended when he supported the 'renegade' nationalist government of Laurent Kabila in the DRC.

What I want to know is - what exactly was the 成人论坛's role in this villification of President Mugabe and the country of Zimbabwe, especially behind the scenes. I remember rhodesian types on the World Service swearing high and low that there was no ZDERA credit freeze, just 'targeted sanctions'. I remember yobbo sounding individuals telling us what to think ("what you've got to remember is that there is world record hyperinlfation in Zimbabwe").

The 成人论坛 has a reputation to maintain, a reputation that is based on objectivity and evenhandedness. This reputation was thrown to the wolves over the coverage of Zimbabwe. I want to know why, who was behind this policy and what is going to happen in the future, so the 成人论坛 can move on from this sorry episode.

I so long for goodness to blossom.

I have to add my voice to the ones above - the jury is still out on this for me. It was just a few short months ago that there was a cholera epidemic in Zimbabwe. I wonder what your friendly neighbourhood Mr Zanu-PF man was doing to help in that situation.

It is great to see some smiles on people's faces and some food on the shelves [dig the sexy 'Wizard of Oz' cut from monochrome to colour..] but I would be interested to know what is happening in the countryside.

Don't start trading impartiality for access, however tempting it may seen.

Does nobody even care about the fact that when Mugabe came to power he had his Zanu PF thugs slaughter hundreds, if not thousands of white farmers and the black zimbabweans who supported them. If the 成人论坛 is so against Mugabe why don't they mention how he came to power all the time? Mugabe doesn't care about his people, as long as he's in power he doesn't care what happens to the rest of Zimbabwe, Britain invaded Iraq for less so the least we can do is have the 成人论坛 show us the full horror of Mugabe's regime

I am surprised there has been no comment on 成人论坛 on the title of AFCR to the diamonds in Marenge, currently subject to clarification in the High Court. A partnership between the government and AFCR would enable the diamonds to be properly handled and give a powerful signal to investors of the world that Zim was safe again.

-Bob Marley 1979

Has anyone ever noticed that the 'MDC', the alleged embodyment of the will of the Zimbabwean people, are flaming neoliberals? That they want to privatise, deregulate, and open the Zimbabwean economy to foreign corporate capital, with no restrictions on capital flight, foreign ownership of the Zimbabwean economy, and no guarantee even for a minimum wage for Zimbabwean employees? (*) The people of Zimbabwe hated ESAP (Economic Structural Adjustment) back in 1991-1996, which did away with the gains made by ZANU-PF in healthcare and life expectancy, and did away with a universal access to public education? (**) ESAP is not the will of the Zimbabwean people, so why is it MDC policy? Why is the MDC's only policy, to institute the policies of the Bretton Woods institutions? Because they are quislings with zero selfrespect, and any African knows it. When people vote for the MDC, they vote for an end to US and British sanctions, not their actual policies.

How come the 成人论坛 is defending the neoliberal, neocolonisation of another African nation? Why did it participate in the villification of Zimbabwe for the last 8 years?

* A new Zimbabwe? Eddie Cross and the MDC, by Patrick Bond
Google: eddie cross privatisation patrick bond

Quote: " We are going to fast track privatisation. All fifty government parastatals will be privatised within a two-year time frame, but we are going far beyond that. We are going to privatise many of the functions of government. We are going to privatise the Central Statistical Office. We are going to privatise virtually the entire school delivery system. And you know, we have looked at the numbers and we think we can get government employment down from about 300,000 at the present time to about 75,000 in five years. "

** The Tragic Tale of the IMF in Zimbabwe. by Antonia Juhasz
Google: antonia juhasz zimbabwe imf

And you tell me of a paradise in the sky
But that is a lie

Look how many prophets tried
To open up our eyes
You can't fool me

With the grace of god go I
Yeah now Human Rights
It's when a man has the freedom
To speak for what is right
Human rights
Is when the earthly powers that be
Regard it as crime
Human rights is when they hold the same man captive
For many years of his life
The man called Nelson Mandela
won the key to his homeland for life
Lessons to be learned
You can't afford to get your rights wrong

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It comes as no surprise to me that 成人论坛 operated illegally in Zimbabwe, only that it admits it. In fact it brags about it. Had 成人论坛 been caught, its reporters might have wound up in prison as we saw in recent cases of notoriety in Iran and North Korea. 成人论坛 seems to feel it does not need to obey the laws of any country it operates in, it seems at times to act as a law unto itself. That is why its political editor can insult the President of the United States in public with impunity when he is an invited guest at a White House press conference and get away with it. 成人论坛 has worn out its welcome in more than one place. 成人论坛 had better watch it. There are places where unwelcome people including international reporters face harsh consequences for being abusive of the local laws and customs. Russia is one, China is another....and Gaza yet another.

If the 成人论坛 sticks to the facts and does not speculate, forecast and comment, then it may be able to continue to report from Zimbabwe.

Mr Kabanga, you must have had more than enough time to write all that which unfortunately I can only wish I had. You seem to take sides with Mugabe and Zanu and try to criticize the 成人论坛 and the west; correct me if I am wrong. On doing that you try to expose the good Mugabe and Zanu have done but I wonder if you could balance the facts and expose also the evils these 鈥渢wo鈥� bodies did and are doing during their time in office. If you are honest to yourself and the world at large, you will notice and admit that the evil outweigh the good in this case, hence Mugabe has fallen prey to such criticism and, what you call 鈥減ropaganda鈥�. If he had behaved like a normal person, this would not have happened to him and he would be a respected man worldwide rather than being criticized.

He is referred to as 鈥榓 tyrant and dictator鈥� because he is one. He has dictated that country into ruins since independence. Zimbabwe is what it is today because of him. Tell me about 鈥淕ukurahundi鈥� massacres, corruption he cultivated, divide and rule he fomented, the countless number of people disappearing/murdered since independence, mysterious deaths that still happen today perpetrated by his CIO and its agents, the intimidation and brutality he sponsors perpetrated by his militia during and towards elections, Matebeleland funds and budgets he diverted to develop Harare and Mashonaland at the expense of Matebeleland and Bulawayo, the reasons for the collapse of the Zambezi water project, the lack of development in Matebeleland, the millions who now live in exile, the collapse of 鈥渢he rule of law鈥� etc, etc.

I quote you: Also, why is President Mugabe referred to as 'a tyrant' and 'a dictator', when the *parliamentary opposition* has been included in the government? Get the facts right. How did he come to include the opposition in the government?????

You ask why 成人论坛 has never interviewed a 鈥渘ew Happy Farm鈥�. Do you honestly think there is one happy new farmer there? Is there any Farmer in the first place? If they are there, where are their produces and why is there still shortage of BASIC food supply? And if they are farmers, why are they building their houses on the land where they should be cultivating? This is a complete and disgusting lack of organization and lack of common sense. The fact is, when he introduced the land redistribution program, he did not have a plan or a clue on what he was doing except, of course to bribe voter to win votes. This was Joshua Nkomo鈥檚 well-planned idea by the way, Mugabe suppressed it as it contradicted with his speech at he Lancaster House when, when asked what he would do with the land said all he wanted was the office and Nkomo said 鈥榣and鈥� and land to the people.

You also mentioned the privatization of parastatals. I support this to some extent and reserve the rest. These parastatals are currently being run not to benefit the people but to benefit Zanu as these are one of its sources of revenue which it ends up misusing due to it鈥檚 corrupt leaders. The only beneficiaries now is Zanu, its officials and Him, hence I support this privatization.

Zanu may have made gains before ESAP as you claim but it ended up preying on those gains because of its incompetence. Moreover, voters vote for MDC not only to end US and British sanctions, as you claim but also for 鈥渃hange鈥� and change in many, many ways. Get me right, I am not saying MDC will solve all the problems Zimbabwe have but it鈥檚 their desire to exert this ambition.

robson90

Not only doesn't 成人论坛 ever stick to facts, its opinions are so intertwined with its reporting of facts that it's often hard to parse out just where facts end and its opinions begin. This is because it does not trust its audience to hear the facts, all the facts, unbiased, in context, with background and make up its own mind but instead wants to tell its audience what to think. That is because ultimately, today, 成人论坛 has been reduced by its current managers to a propaganda machine, not a journalist that carefully and explicitly separates its reports from its editorials. At 成人论坛, honest journalism as we once knew it is dead.

those poor people

Is the 成人论坛 still happy about the way it slated the Rhodesians and Ian Smith? Ian was the most honest of politicians who was set-aside by the British government to the detriment of all Rhodesians Black and white. The 成人论坛 and its agents falsified reporting to make stories. I hope you are all very happy.

I hope the 成人论坛 will this time be honest. When Rhodesia the 成人论坛 was able to operate freely, even to photographing sleeping Africans during their lunch break and calling it a massacre. To throwing coins into a crowd and calling this a riot. While I'm about it why does the Front Page news items not load properly, I have Broadband and clock 6m. Not happy with the 成人论坛 you helped to bring down a good Government and to put in a bad one. That man Sommes??? Ian was I man, he was honest and loved by Africans and Whites.