Premature celebration?
- 8 Nov 06, 01:37 AM
This is starting to feel eerily familiar. I remember standing on a roof overlooking the White House on election night in 2004. My phone kept ringing from giddy Democrats: "We're ahead, even in Virginia, it's ours."
A few moments ago, I bumped into one of them in the reception of our Washington bureau. He flashed out his BlackBerry: "Look at this, we're ahead, even in Virginia, it's ours."
We should have all realised there was something odd about those polls in 2004 when the Democrats believed conservative Virginia had voted for John Kerry.
Should we be as sceptical tonight? It's been six dismal years for the Democrats. They are desperate to get back into power. Are they so desperate they'll break their own resolution and start celebrating prematurely?
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Believe me, most of us are thinking the same thing you are. There is a whole segment of Americans who have been quietly waiting to vote - for Republicans. We can only hope the rest of us outnumber them!
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Please, please, please refrain from commenting too much on our elections. Americans are tired of hearing about how we should/should not vote or what we should/should not be doing. I'm an independent that leans left and even I am tired of your reporting and comments about our election process. Report the facts and please refrain from your opinions or beliefs. It only feeds those who think our elections are now being controlled by 'outside forces' and are 'anti-american'. You're a news organization. Please report - don't judge.
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Absolutely not - It is a wave - Blue Tsunami :-)
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The Dems seem to me to be more cautiously optimistic this time around.
So far, all the Democratic victories have in solidly "blue" states. There need to be some Democratic winners in "red" states for this to be a true "sweep." We will know in about two hours.
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In 2004, were they making predictions based on exit polls, or actual results?
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And the 成人论坛 didn't enjoy those six years
much, either, judging by your coverage.
By the way, I glanced at the early reports in 2004 and knew, instantly, that they were wrong.
As of now, it seems nearly certain that the Republicans will keep control of the Senate (90 percent chance) and possible that they will keep control of the House (40 percent chance). I would love to see the faces around your headquarters if that happens.
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Premature celebrations? I'm a very liberal Dem in a solid blue northeastern city and I haven't seen anyone who's NOT on pins and needles.
Don't worry, we know what we're up against and even if we win a majority in one of the houses (I'm not holding my breath), I doubt anyone'll be popping open the champagne any time soon. Lots of work to be done and all that.
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Quote: "We should have all realised there was something odd about those polls in 2004 when the Democrats believed conservative Virginia had voted for John Kerry."
Yes something was very odd but it was not the polls that are odd. It's the announced election results! Discrepency between announced results and exit polls were used to determine that Ukraine's votes were rigged contributing to the voter's rebellion called the Orange Revolution. And when the same happens in the good old US of A, it's the polls that are questioned. Funny how double standards are used and applied....
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A note to Shawn: the main news section of the 成人论坛 site doesn't express opinion. The reporters' blog part does, because that's what it's for! Some of the opinions might not be worth much, but that's in the nature of opinions. I reccomend if you want the bare facts then stick to the main news pages.
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Love ya Katty Kay...watch you every day, but NO, this is not a premature celebration. The Dems have won and won resoundingly. We actually won! Good grief, finally.
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Any Democrat who was around in 2004 is a nervous wreck. We don't know whether to pop the champagne or get ready to drown our sorrows in red wine...
But one thing for sure.. IF Nancy Pelosi becomes Speaker of the House it is beyond epic! She is an incredible maverick who opposed the war in the early days and represents the bastion of true liberals of San Francisco no less! Still can't believe it could possibly come true. She is also very intelligent and has been incredily wise in guiding this possible dream come true.
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OMG GRATS AMERICA I LOVE YOU yes that was supposed to be in caps well done i mean finally even if we dont get the senate next election is sure to be democratic now, right?
lol, see you in two years
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To Shawn (Comment No. 2)
This is a blog and its purpose is to publish comments and views from individuals. Blog comments are not official 成人论坛 reports, but are a forum for opinion, views, ideas, discussions etc.
Do you want the world to sit and stay silent until the official results are published to the world? Or are you a Republican and in a bad mood?
If you don't like opinions, then please don't read the blogs.
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Just a quick reply to Jim Miller on his predictions....HA HA.
I'm sorry I couldn't resist a childish comment like this after the idiotic and frankly moronic opinions coming from the republicans nowadays
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I hate it when Americans complain about our interest in their elections. Unfortunately, their elections have a greater impact on our everyday lives than our own.
From international trade, the war on terror, the war in error of environmental meltdown we are all affected a great deal.
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Of course the 成人论坛 is skewed against the republicans.
There tenure has been a stain on America and the damage done will take years to undo.
They are corrupt, election riggers whose primary motivation is self interest and furthering their own business pursuits.
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Hooray to Dems. I can already see america getting a family treatment from its neigbours, than the hostility and hatred its people have endured under the Reps. Policies. Maybe now america will prove that race,religion & colour don't matter and learn from South Africa.
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Is is a terrible and black day for the US!. Having democrats in charge of the house! And mrs.Pelosi. I just did not want to see this day.
Republicans will hold the Senate, there must be something honourable left in the US. The dems will otherwise destroy all. As they have done before. We dont want to see any liberal from San Fransisco telling our President what to do. Absolutely NOT.EVER.
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It appears to me that some of Mrs Pelosi's campaign issues [as reported on the 成人论坛 site]:
* bringing in rules to break links between lobbyists and legislation
* enacting all the 9/11 Commission recommendations
* raising the minimum wage
* expanding stem cell research
are all eminently sensible.
It would appear that there needs to be constructive monitoring of the Presidency from Congress, and that the new House will ensure this. US politics affect all the world, and there needs to be adequate checks on power. The new balance of power should help this.
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Republicans better get used to the idea of Madame Speaker. Yes San Francisco Nancy Pelosi will show the way ... And in the Senate 51-49 is a done deal in favo(u)r Democrates ...
How ironic votes did not matter in 2000 and 2004 and they do (recount) matter now.
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Republicans better get used to the idea of Madame Speaker. Yes San Francisco Nancy Pelosi will show the way ... And in the Senate 51-49 is a done deal in favo(u)r Democrates ...
How ironic votes did not matter in 2000 and 2004 and they do (recount) matter now.
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Shawn, Please, please, please refrain from telling the world to mind their own business when the US makes it its business to tell and define to everyone else the meaning of freedom, patriotism and everything else it assumes we dont hold dear. Remember that for better or for worse, the US IS a superpower and everything you do there really reflects on everyone else (wars, intervensions, UN control, fruitless sanctions that only strangle the poor and needy.....the list goes on!).
And yes. Your laws leaves us many times dumbfounded when they are outright illogical and outdated... I guess there wouldn't be as much critisism (interest?) if there wasn't such an overwhelming advertising of your "principles."
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Campaign promises and reality are 2 different things.. if this one sees the light of day in any real and usable form, I will be stunned..
"bringing in rules to break links between lobbyists and legislation"
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The defeat of the Republicans in congressional elections is a good riddance to bad rubbish. These arrogant Republicns who bestride the world with their obnoxious foreign policies should now realise that even their compatriots are fed up with them. Americans we thank you and urge you to keep up the good work as to ensure that the next Republican party flagbearer is roundly beaten next time around.
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You ask us not to comment on your election process? Only yesterday we heard the US complaining about alledged election processes in NICARAGUA. (how is Oliver North these days?). Not like the good old USA to get involved in other countries, do you want the list?. Maybe that's why most people feel they have the right to comment.
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*Shawn (Comment No. 2),*Martin Haynes (Comment No.13)
Martin, I agree with you. Our friend from the US could possible have been in bad mood this morning. I get the feeling that as the truth sinks in that the Republicans have lost Congress and may lose the Senate Shawn's tears would have dried away and his sultry mood would lighten up.
I thought he (Shawn) should be championing free speech. It's just a thought.
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I am amazed at how many people are threatened by Ms. Pelosi. What in the world is wrong with being a liberal?
definition: a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties
For my two daughters, I am beyond exuberant at the fact that the glass ceiling got just a bit higher (but sad that's it's taken America until 2006 to get there)
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Actually the exit polls in 2004 were spot on, with how people voted, but not with how diebold mis-counted the votes, especially in Ohio, where the CEO of Diebold had already promised to deliver votes to the republicans.
To steal an election, you need a close result. A tsunami wave of hatred against the republicans means that despite purging the voter rolls, and despite many many many examples of voting machines switching people's votes in front of their eyes, they STILL could not steal the election this time.
The people have discovered their voice. If they are not listened to over the next 2 years, watch out for a revolution.
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Please do comment....
It is useful and important to listen to other peoples views. We don't have to act on their views, but in listening we learn. However, what we learn we may not always like: especially if it is about ourselves.
That's the value of the freedom of speach, and more importantly the freedom to listen.
But you're an American: you know all this!....or has America forgotten?
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Republicans better get used to the idea of Madame Speaker. Yes San Francisco Nancy Pelosi will show the way ... And in the Senate 51-49 is a done deal in favo(u)r Democrates ...
How ironic votes did not matter in 2000 and 2004 and they do (recount) matter now.
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Live from Santa Cruz, California, which is perhaps even MORE liberal than San Francisco.
The Senate? Could this really be true. Most liberal Democrats are in delirious disbelief. The House, Rumsfield out, and now the Senate?
The "majority" of American voters did not put Bush in office and we have been embarrassed and depressed ever since.
Now an even bigger majority is not happy and hence - the election results.
We aren't all bad and we really are trying! Some of us really like traveling and hoping we don't get as many dirty looks ; )
Cheers!
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I worry, too, the Dems will have the celebration and then now know how to turn this victory into a new direction.
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New title, perhaps Late concession?
Punditmom, a landslide of voters are not going to let their voices be ignored over the next 2 yrs. The voters that instituted this new direction are not happy voters and they will not be ignored.
Instead of worrying, speak up and make your points on the new direction heard, if you have them. Maybe in person, unless you are not worried about warrantless wiretapping.
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