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The governor speaks

• Robert Peston
• 6 Nov 07, 10:21 AM

Broadcast interviews by , the governor of the Bank of England, are as rare as optimistic bankers in the City of London鈥檚 current gloom. And what the governor told me, in a conversation recorded for a documentary to be broadcast tonight, gives fascinating new insights into the seizing up of money markets this summer and the crisis at Northern Rock.

I spoke to him in an elegant meeting room next to what the Bank calls his parlour, at the heart of his neo-classical fortress in the City. We spoke for more than an hour about what he did and why, in the run-up to the Northern Rock crisis and during the first run on a British bank for 141 years. Such was the insight he gave into his actions and his state of mind that the difficulty we had was deciding what not to broadcast, since so much of what he had to say was gripping.

One of the most important questions was why he did not attempt to rescue Northern Rock over the summer in a quiet, inconspicuous way 鈥� which would have avoided all the drama of providing an emergency loan 鈥� by pumping additional liquidity into the banking system. Apart from anything else, that was what many big banks had been demanding and my understanding is that the City watchdog, the , supported their case.

Northern Rock鈥檚 chief executive, Adam Applegarth, told MPs on the Treasury Select Committee that if his bank had been based on the continent, it would never have suffered a crisis. He claims it would have been able to raised sufficient funding by exchanging its mortgages for loans from the in a way that wasn鈥檛 then possible in the UK.

King was blunt in dismissing Applegarth鈥檚 claim. He says the Rock chief executive is wrong, because it was clear from the start that Northern Rock needed far too much money to be propped up in a way that would not have raised the alarm to the market about its funding difficulties.

The governor says that the Bank calculated that Northern Rock would need 拢30bn in support. And that it was impossible to 鈥渞ig鈥� a money market auction to direct that level of funding to it without alerting journalists and other bankers to what was happening. What鈥檚 more, an 鈥渦nrigged鈥� auction would have been ludicrous, because it would have involved injecting mind-boggling sums into the banking system 鈥� thus raising fears that the entire banking system was effectively bust.

So, for him, there was no option but to direct support to the Rock using the Bank鈥檚 role as lender of last resort 鈥� once, that is, the Rock concluded beyond any doubt that it could not fund itself in the normal way from commercial sources.

So the decision of the Treasury and the Bank to provide in this form was their first momentous decision.

Their second momentous decision was not to announce, at the same time as providing the loan, that no depositor at the Rock would lose a penny 鈥� that the Treasury was guaranteeing their savings.

This was eventually made by the Chancellor, on the evening of September 17. And it did stop the run. But by then the run had been raging for four days in branches and on the internet.

And it was the run that did so much damage to the reputation of British banking. As the governor describes, for a few days during and after the run, there was an international flight of capital out of the British banking system by global managers of great pools of cash, because they had been so shocked by the television pictures of the run.

If that capital flight hadn鈥檛 been stopped, well who knows what damage could have been wreaked on other substantial banks? The chairman of one big British bank was so worried that he went to see the head of the civil service and the head of the Treasury to express his concern.

What鈥檚 more, this retail run contributed to the steady withdrawal of funding from Northern Rock by other banks and financial institutions 鈥� such that the Rock has now borrowed some 拢20bn from the Treasury and expects to have borrowed 拢30bn by the end of the year.

There is therefore a fair body of evidence that the run has had damaging long term consequences both for the Rock and for confidence in the British banking system.

It is also likely that it could have been avoided if the chancellor had guaranteed that savers would not lose a penny right at the outset.

So why didn鈥檛 that happen? Well you will have to listen to File on 4 tonight for the detail.

But both King and 鈥� the FSA鈥檚 chief executive who was also interviewed by me for the programme 鈥� say that there was discussion of the possibility of a run before the emergency loan was granted. And that the idea of providing a 100% guarantee to depositors was raised by them in conversations with the Treasury.

And, as Sants says, only the chancellor could provide this guarantee.

They did not regard a run as inevitable however 鈥� which seems to be why the Treasury did not provide this guarantee till the run was raging in full frightening force.

But neither Sants, nor the chairman of the FSA, , nor Mervyn King were prepared to give media interviews to reassure Northern Rock鈥檚 depositors during the run because they all regarded the existing system of deposit insurance as inadequate. King actually says it would have been 鈥渄ishonest鈥� to tell the Rock鈥檚 savers they had no reason to worry.

Which in the starkest terms shows why the delay by the chancellor in guaranteeing all Rock savings was momentous.

You can read the full transcript of Mervyn King's interview .

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