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..And what does the news that a British woman died in an alleged "buttocks-enhancement" procedure in a US hotel room tell us about body image in modern Britain?..

it tells us chav culture addicted to lower pleasures is alive and well? If the 成人论坛 wishes to be populist then it too must devote itself to the lower pleasures? Which kind of makes sense of the programming?

Mindys housemate (wed)
I am in agreement with most what you say but only from an idealists point of view. My pragmatic side won't chime as much with it though.

The introduction of tuition fees are driven by two things:
Saving money and reducing student intake.
That there is the Govt policy in its most basic form of further education. They'll talk all day about the tuition fees but will never mention the well hidden purpose of student reduction. They can't be seen for pushing for that one..thats an unmentionable policy.
Yesterday Clegg was grilled by s room full of students. After this confrontation of students we witnessed his departure. I couldn't help but notice this fella Clegg looking very stressed-out, no attempt was made of his feelings what so ever; his body language was such a give-a-way.
On its own it wouldn't have been much to take note of but when I've seen Clegg recently, he appears really bothered with his lot..not a happy bunny this fella. Has he found himself out of his depth? is he finding it hard to compromise his liberal principles within a coalition Govt? (not a chance, he sniffed power and grabbed it with boths claws)Something tells me that he finds himself in a place he'd rather not be; he may not last the course of this coalition Govt.
The years spent in Brussels as a bureaucrat, not to mention his years at University and never having a real job was never gonna prepare a man such as Clegg who thought high office was gonna be a cake walk. I always knew this fella was just another political hack. I'll be very surprised if he gets to the finishing line.

Some political hacks do manage to stick around in the job though..Jack Straw's been doing it for years.

what it tells us about modern Britain is that we are all complete arses.....

... that it has been influenced by the fashion for African-origin booty dancing?

WHAT BUTTOCK ENHANCEMENT TELLS US (#1)

That we REALLY ARE The ape confused by language?

i agree with the jasmine revolution in egypt,but to carry any weight
in bringing a democracy to a country which has been under dictatorship
since the time of pharaoh will take a little more radicalism. in the
pre poitical correct era the dictatorship would have been overthrown by
merceneries or army, in a political coo. but in today,s climate with the
world watching , the intelligent level headed and brave people of egypt
must come forward and present themselves as possible candidates for an
interim government.after doing this, if they get no response from their
unelected government,within an alloted time,and going by the mood of the
people they could with the help of the army and world government
approval declare the present government defunct.if this fails it,s
the status quo or back to te pre politcal correct era

cyber threat = crack down on the interweb + what freedom of speech is allowed in the democratically elected uk

hacking is as old as the computer - cracking/phreaking older still remember Capt. Crunch?
Now that hack/twit-tavists are organising and presenting a potential threat to the private order the specter of computer attack is back in the headlines.
when can we expect a soundbite from the minister for information.

JAMES BOND ALWAYS HACKS INTO THE MISSILE GUIDANCE SYSTEM

'Safety in numbers' - ones and zeroes.

Trident is safe - of course . . .

@ Stevie 3 - ha ha ha!!!!! That made me laugh!

I take it that what the woman actually had done was a procedure to enlarge her buttocks? Or were they enhanced by e.g. tattooing? I hope we are not going to lose the full range of meanings of the word 'enhance'.
Careless talk costs words.

I'M INTRIGUED BY THE WESTMINSTER STANCE ON PRISONER VOTES

As far as I can tell, government, having taken a large measure of control over the formative years of every child, through the imposition of schooling, and various societal interventions, takes NO RESPONSIBILITY WHATEVER for how that child turns out.

It does have the feel of the political mind about it - doesn't it.

The same bunch of rosette-stand ciphers, who are so quick to come down on parents and parenting, see no beam in their own eye.

I am not taking sides in the 'votes for prisoners' spat, but it is high time politicians rook responsibility for the millions of lives they wreck in the country by being so hopeless at their job.

is having Suleiman instead of Mubarak enough of a reason to make the protesters go home?

.."The concept is simple. If you break the law, you cannot make the law," he told MPs....

er except if you are an MP or Lord?

LORDING IT (#13)

Shepherd's pie and Krug anyone?

Britian is a bad dream.

'..we ask what the news that a British woman died in an alleged "buttocks-enhancement" procedure in a US hotel room tells us about body image in modern Britain.'

As already noted, perhaps more telling is what we have already learned further about the state of media in this country.

Rather summed up, for me, without irony, here...

'We will be speaking to pundits and players...'

... and not in a good way: 'Good evening, here is the views'

#12 mindy
good call it coud be a long haul.

#16: if the recent reports about Egyptian security apparatus arresting, possibly torturing, the demonstrators is true, in the Western media, then it is any surprise? Mubarak and Suleiman are joined at the hip in the Regime, would you accept as President the man who is overseeing the destruction of the Opposition movements?

the US is clearly supporting Suleiman. Why haven't they threatened to end of Military aid unless the regime goes? The generals know which way their bread is buttered.

it is positive to see the Islamic movements openly and publicly agree to a secular Govt is that is what is chosen by the voters, and they would undoubtedly be part of a coalition interim Govt, taking part in civil society and fair elections.

the sooner the US stops propping up this regime, the better. The less lof-of-life and suffering on all sides. Surely it is embarrasing to them to have a regime as tyrannical as Saudi Arabia in their own 'Sphere of Influence', and they are not doing what they can to stop it? To help the spread of peace, democracy and development?

why do the Egyptians not deserve better? Most everyone else think they do. Please stop being Bush-USA, and start beng Obama-USA. We'd like you a lot more, trust me.

corporate net-attack bots: if you're really worries, then switch to Ubuntu:



there are built in safeguards in this operating system against being used like that. Unless you choose to be, of course. This removes the Corporate/enemy Govt threat using your private PC, in these potential attacks.

Good to see an important issue being covered with such diligence by Nn ......

But there is a somewhat more pertinent question ......

Namely .......

Is there any evidence that Botox is being used on British buttocks?

We must get to the bottom of this!

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The behind is the story!

Bum, bum!


Taking contemporary 鈥榮treet talk鈥� as having some relevance one can only think that with some of the comments as appearing here .....

Ya鈥檝e arsed for it!

#21 spybot search and destroy works fine for me



and its free

As a 鈥榝iller鈥� sic the siliconized posterior 鈥榩iece鈥� fitted the bill exactly! i.e. It filled a space!

Otherwise ..... it was pretty much pointless!

But then it was a pretty good plug for the artist, and the retail outlet!

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Lead, don鈥檛 follow!

The cyber attack piece was a joke, there are far more than 300 people in Britain with the skills, in fact, they are legion, to quote Anonymous, and it was interesting to hear some chap mention that people used to come "from the darkside", that depends on what you call the "darkside", take this bit from the Hacker Manifesto-

"We explore... and you call us criminals. We seek
after knowledge... and you call us criminals. We exist without skin color,
without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals.
You build atomic bombs, you wage wars, you murder, cheat, and lie to us
and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals"



So who really is the "darkside" those in government who will commit the most heinous crimes whether against its people or the rest of humanity or a shadowy hacker that would stand against them?

seems quite pompous for Sebastian Faulks to proclaim in the Faulks on Fiction the hero in novels is 'dead'? To nail him up on the cross and say 'that's that'?

/iplayer/episode/b00ykvw4/Faulks_on_Fiction_The_Hero/

if the purpose of the novel is to heal the soul and save the state there's still a lot of healing and saving potential left in the old blighter.

What philosophy must you take as the highest idea of the mind to not only imagine but feel in a real way there are no heroes? a nihilist one? as described by Parmenides? Where he points out moral relativism, that is all the fashion in the chattering classes, imprisons itself in a room for which suicide is the only logical escape?

So Faulks is not really talking about heroes in novels but his own moral relativist prison? He sees no heroes. If you do not have heroes you end up with somalia. Peace and order does not drop out the sky. Someone makes it. that is the heroic. Those who gaze does not lift from the rational and the ordered be it the mother at home level to the policy maker at state level. Heroic in the little things. the everyday things. the everyday language.

Hero is not a dirty or dead word.

TORTURING WITH INTEGRITY (#18)

If the Egyptians are torturing ON THEIR OWN SOIL, I fear they are as far from democracy, and the Rule of Law, as ever they were.

Perhaps we shall hear from, Obama and Dave (or Billy the Spud) shortly, offering assistance with rendition flights, to hasten them into the twenty-first century.

Alternatively, Scotland could easily find a triplet of judges to jail their dissidents until death.

After all - these are respected allies, with stuff we want.

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News@10:

on prisoner rights: it is the Govts responsibility to have dealt with this before it became a big issue.

how embarrassing that the UK is going to defy the entire Global Human Rights movement. This is shameful.

do you know what i wonder? I wonder what this Govt is intending that would bring censure from this International body on Human Rights? For what other reason could there be for this defiance? 'Little Englishness' is not enough to count for it, the Prime Minster would not stand in Public and say the UK will ignore its Human Rights obligations unless they were trying to cover their asses in some way. This could cost the tax-payer 拢100M+ - HUNDREDS of millions of pounds, this single stupid and childish piece of brinkmanship. I could have understood if Parliament stood up for its rights in an unethical extradition, or to prevent a war, but to 'stand up for their rights' to block a minor piece of international human rights legislation is just... well, its pathetic. Something to give the tabloids headlines, just like camoron's recent speech about "multiculturalism", and "muscular liberalism".

repost part 2:

...'muscular liberalism'. Aka "we pick on a minority until they do something violent, then use that as an excuse to take away everyone else's freedoms, and we try to call ourselves 'Liberal' whilst we do it.". English-moslems are already culturally different from Pakistani-moslems - they are English, and that's whether their parents like it or not (see "East is East").

Sometimes the kids are less religious than their parents, again whether their parents like it or not. And their parents "liking it or not" is completely part of UK culture. *We* choose who we want to be, we do not ask Central Govt if what we want to be is sanctioned by their "Englishness or Not" register. "Muscular Liberalism"... words fail me. Is camoron to stand up for Liberal values of Free Speech in a democracy, and answer the People's questions about Corporate tax-avoidance?

Or the right to private communications between citizens? It is only a small UK minority that want to control their children's and siblings marriages, and that is also not limited to Moslems - Prince Charles for instance, was also forced to marry Diana when he wanted to marry Camilla.

much sadness often comes from such arrangements, and sub-culture traditions. And the UK is right to hold up our general banner of freedom in this manner. But i think the UK Monarchy would take a dim view of labelling all arranged marriages as "barbaric and barbarian", when its own traditions encompassed it so recently. Murray should take note.

repost part 3:

labour, as we found out tonight, also swept the 'prisoners rights' legislation under the rug. What a pair of parties, no wonder Parliament is in such disrepute.


regarding the neo-con Murray, the way he presented the situation some of us would be forgiven for believing that it was ISLAMIC countries that were currently militarily occupying others after incredibly destructive invasions, that it is was Islamic countries that are supporting militarily and economically dictators around the world, that it was Muslim Govts that were supporting the economic blockade of Gaza and Palestine..

horrific as some of the Islamic Govts are, it is not THEM that is threatening the world whilst trying to make a global Empire. Nor being its obedient lap-dog.


regarding the influence of Islam upon post 9/11 violence. Contrary to Murray's assertions, there has been religious AVOIDANCE of violence, involving Moslem initiatives. Compare their reaction to the attack on Iran with Christian-America's reaction to 9/11. Muslims have behaved with a consideration of non-violence and negotiation that the US wouldn't dream of.

it makes *me* ashamed, for Western values. How easily they were betrayed for some nice-sounding words from our leaders.


on the "brotherhood and murray" - he said that supporting a "vote-once dictatorship is not what 'the West' is about", could be quite interesting considering that is *exactly* what he supported until 2 weeks ago. IF Mubarak even GAVE one vote, when he came to power. Sometimes the "devil you don't know" IS preferable. The "Brotherhood" would find it difficult to be worse than Mubarak's regime. And there is little indication they would want to be.


"one QT question that would have been interesting is "should MPS reveal all of their incomes to the public??".


Francis Maude" "budget deficit". He keeps banging on about "the Deficit" - yet he and other Tory Ministers conveniently forget that most of that deficit was heading straight to the bank vaults. The simple fact of the matter, which the Tories keep trying to obfuscate, is that the UK is somewhat bankrupt because we "bailed" the banks out. We are losing our local services, decent education and the NHS because the banks were given all the money - which we now pay them interest on. That's never on the Ministers "acceptable comments" list though, from the Party HedKwarters. "Blame the banks" not acceptable any more - its bullying. Lets blame the poor, instead?


overall a good QT, as ever the audience is ahead of the politicians and "talking heads". Speaking of which, could we hear less from the "talking head" Murray please, he seems to be around far too much, considering his message is cultural hatred and warfare. Then again, his message is little different than some of the tabloids. It must cheer him up a lot to know who his allies are.

the NS guy made loads of good points, but was too combative. A fault i often have myself, perhaps. :)


hope NN was good..

i thought the old LibDem geezer was pretty good though. Shows what a good intellect allied with a good heart can express. Wonder if he and some other MPs like him are wondering what happened to such values in the current Govt.

sorry: that was "attack on Iraq", not "Iran" in #29.

The other day I questioned, in an era of 24/7 news, where an hour is a long time in politics, the value of many, often peripheral and too often partisan folk being wheeled out to tell us what they think when what is actually happening outstrips this.

No more telling demonstration than two emails in my in box from yesterday night, ironically, less than an hour apart:


From: dailyemail@ebs.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Egypt's Mubarak 'may step down'
Date: 10 February 2011 20:31:16 GMT

From: dailyemail@ebs.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Egypt's Mubarak refuses to quit
Date: 10 February 2011 21:18:30 GMT

I start to treat the words 'could' and may', etc, so easily used as the basis for endless guesswork disguised as analysis, with the heft they deserve, along with those who deal in them to fill dead air with little better. What real value pundits and players in such circumstances?

;o) No comment...

Today's Matt:

I am also, only now, reading around, finding a few folk who are invited on to spout off here and there (perhaps 'found' on twitter, the apparent new source du jour of 'sources who say'?), are not perhaps as objective and/or moderate as they can get portrayed with either zero or less than rigourous context.

I thought Nick Clegg hit a mark when he told off a clearly exciteable SKY interviewer earlier, when he questioned the value of running commentaries over waiting to confirm facts before (over)reacting, as opposed to inflaming with preconceptions as to what 'should' be.

As he said, 'The West is not hear to micromanage the lives of others.'

Maybe something our media may note?

I bow to the slicker surfer.

It was in the mod window... honest:)

Meanwhile...

37 mademeoiselle might find Mark Mardell`s blog very informative at the moment...and leave the silicone enhanced musings of the NN blog regulars to stew in its own wearyingly predictable intellectual flatulence for a few minutes... while Mr Duff rolls another inspirational medicinal infusion.

Oh What a Can of Worms

Heard on Radio 4 this morning...

/news/uk-12416407

Folkestone is another place that the Ghurkas live in huge numbers. They are not old, they are the younger soldiers who moved here with their children and parents. Whole areas of the town are now Nepalese.

I did feel they should be given the right to live here, but at what detriment to their own economy? Their good pensions went a long way in Nepal and they were revered members of their community.

Many Ghurka wives work in the local community, hospitals, as nurses, cleaners, etc very pleasant people, and their english is good, but again more job losses for the british.

And IF their children want to join the army, which group do they join? They are no longer Napalese or Ghurka, so they can't join that group, so do they join as just an ordinary british squaddie? Did anyone think of that when giving them the right to live here?

Will there be any people from Ghurka soldiers families left in Nepal to join the regiment here? Will the British Army still even recruit at all from Nepal?

There seem more questions than answers to this situation.

First I read this...

/news/world-us-canada-12422018

Surprisingly 'factual'. 'He said...'

Then this...

from-the-us-director-of-national-intelligence/

Maybe PR makeovers are included in 'evolving the story' especially with stealth edits? Or, on occasion, some things best left unmentioned, even by way of analysis of all the available input, even when updated.

It can be a trial keeping up, especially when competing priorities in editorial can sometimes trip over each other trying to make some points but play down others.

39 You ask some pertinent questions ecolizzie...and in the correct forum too...because if any organisation is responsible for the destruction and suppression of our culture and its swamping with unmanageable numbers of foreigners it`s the 成人论坛 and it`s mandarin class of liberal hangers on and cronies......but the 成人论坛 is FAR too important and institutionally stupid to explain itself to us...it doesn`t "do" answers to us horrid racist xenophobic populist enemies of the global capitalist free market in slaves ....going forward!

Islam is a political ideology as well as a religion.

Many if not most moslems in the UK follow Islam the religion but do not subscribe to Islam the political ideology.

Speakers need to make sure that they don't offend moslems who only follow the religion by underlining the fact that British liberalism is not at war with the Islamic religion practiced in the UK but it is at war with the Islamic political ideology that attacks Britain.

There have been 50,000 (a generous average) demonstrators in Tahrir Square for the past 17 days. Egypt has a population of 80,000,000 so the demonstrators represent 0.06% of the whole. Is anyone ever going to explain how acceding to the demands of 0.06% of the people can be described a democracy?

if you know the IP you don't need the domain name?

most software is insecure. windows is like buying a car with no locks on it and then being told the locks are 'extra' and have to be 'configured'.

Hip Hop Image

is that really the highest idea of the mind? the human model of excellence?

43 Maggie... I`ve been thinking about what would happen if a million of us wanted rid of the unelected global capitalist neoliberal asset stripper "government" we have had imposed on us? Ian Tomlinson`s family could probably tell us!

And I could get several million marchers if there was the remotest possibiliity of a long overdue rational debate about our hostage/milch cow status in the CIA/Soros-run European Union!

As for the enforced overpopulation of Britain with foreigners....well I bet we could get ten or twenty million "protestors".

That`s the real challenge.....how much longer before someone realises that WE British are the least free to control our own political/economic destiny?

#43 Well said Maggie, after all what democracy have we got really?

What is Egypt to do with us anyway? They are a soveriegn country, we should have no say in how it is managed and by whom, why is the west sticking it's nose in as usual. And as you say so few demonstrators, but don't let that get in the way of ignoring the problems in Britain.

As the UN have already predicted it will mean a few million more asylum seekers to the west, they will pour out of Egypt, Tunisa, and any other muslim country that kicks off. Funny thing is they all want to come to the west, and then not live as we do, but as they did back home, what a mess.

#45 I`ve been thinking about what would happen if a million of us wanted....

Ah, a million did march WJ against the Iraq war, Blair still ignored us, so why should the Egyptians take any notice of 0.06 of the population demonstrating, (as Maggie says) it made no difference at all here!

As for the enforced overpopulation of Britain with foreigners....

A small anecdote, my sister was involved in a minor accident which involved 4 cars yesterday, guess what, 2 of the cars had foreign drivers, par for the course in London and the South East.

Research published last week by the University of Zurich and the Social Science Research Center Berlin (WZB) shows that Britain is 26th in the world rankings for democracy. In Europe, only France ranks worse than us.

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