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30th
April 2002
Pigeons
Why doesn't someone feed them bread previously soaked in rat poison?
Just an idea. Although you might find we have a few pigeon corpses
knocking about in the short term, the long term benefits are enormous.
Go on!
Pigeon destroyer
Pigeon Street |
30th
April 2002
We need to have a "Shoot The Pigeons" Day where people can all come
out with their rifles and air pistols and shoot all those flying rodents
to death. Then we could feed the meat to all those disgusting pigeon
lovers out there.
Derek
Newcastle |
29th
April 2002
lovely creatures
as a foreigner, i am impressed by the harmonious relation between
the wild creatures and human beings in ur country. those wild creatures
signal civilization and peace, which a lot of other countries on the
same planet lack. please do not kill them, but the government may
take some measures to control the pigeons' birth.
morningbreeze
nottingham |
25th
April 2002
PIEGONS
HOW CAN WE GET RID OF PIEGONS THEY HAVE FOUND THERE WAY INTO MY ATTIC
PLEASE HELP
KAREN
FONTANA,CA |
25th
April 2002
Pigeons
It seems that a whole mess of folks that don't live in your city want
to tell y'all what to do about your pigeon problem. That seems self-righteous
and downright rude to me. Since I'm not a resident of your city I'm
not going to tell y'all how to handle your business, but I do know
of an option that I haven't seen discussed, and if it would help y'all
that would be great. New York brought falcons into the city to hunt
the pigeons down. It may work, it may not, but it is worth checking
out. In case any y'all were wondering here in Tennessee we shoot them
at sunrise before the town square is too busy. My apologies for any
comments made by pushy Americans. Jay R.
Jay R. Stout
Pulaski, Tennessee |
25th
April 2002
PIGEONS
UNTIL YOU HAVE BEEN ZAPPED BY ONE (SHOULD I SAY) YOU SHOULD NOT COMMENT.
BUT I CAN, GET RID OF THEM BY ALL MEANS POSSIBLE!!!
CRAIG
NOTTINGHAM |
20th
April 2002
Pidgeons are filthy vermin, rats with wings. And the Poor Cockaroaches
they're great too lets not hurt them either.
Larry
NY NY |
20th April 2002
All these people
that moan about a bit of pigeon poop should think themselves lucky
that dogs can't fly. Ian Godfrey Pinxton, Nottm TOO FUNNY!!
Terri
Baton Rouge, Louisiana USA |
18th
April 2002
Pigeons
Rats with Wings - need I say more?
Pigeon hater
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18th
April 2002
Pigeons
I think pigeons rock and to kill them would be really pathetic! what
gives us the right? just cos they annoy us. They were put here for
a reason, however obscure it is. My theory about pigeons is that they
were put on the earth to test the patients of us mere humans. This
theory also applies to insects and I shall win a noble peace prize
for it. But seriously, why should we kill them? Its just a sad reflection
on humans if we do. Why should we adjust what nature has put there
to suit us? PEACE AND LOVE! BUDDHA ROCKS!
Buddist and student, Elizabeth Daff!
Nottingham, nottinghamshire, england (I'm from Selston, innit!)
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17th
April 2002
damn pigeons
i got crapped on at the weekend in market square, so i say nuke the
flying little buggers
mark
nottingham |
15th
April 2002
PIGEONS ARE FOOLS
When I was a little girl,and living in London, my cousin and I bought
a pigeon in a carrier bag all the way from Trafalgar Square to Manor
House on the underground because it couldn't fly. We took it to my
house and put it in with the budgie, who went mad and attacked the
pigeon, then my mum came in and went mad also. Everyone was screaming,
then the cage fell over on to the tele and knocked it flat over. My
mum was pregnant with my sister at the time, and the shock made her
go into labour, and my sister was born within about 2 hours. We had
all forgotten about the pigeon and when we got home we found it had
eaten the budgie. Nevertheless, we called it GOMEZ and gave it a shelter
out on the balcony of my mum's flat. It attracted a mate and made
a home in an old plastic bucket that was out there. The mess was horrendous
and one day, we decided to get rid of the pigeons once and for all.
My cousin and I went out to the balcony armed with scrubbing brushes,
disenfectants etc but when we lifted the bucket a massive lump of
pidgeon poo fell down on to the cars below. Boy, did we get into trouble.
That was when I was 12. I'm 49 now but I still love Pidgeons, but
I don't think I'd ever take another one home!
CORINNE D GRAEHAME
Nottingham |
15th
April 2002
Beautiful Bird
Few word is not complete for the beautiful bird. In Nepal and India
there are lots of piegon lover.I had seen in TV that in China also
it is pet but in Nepal our big hobbey. Specially in winter its flys
in the sky for more than 8 to 10 hours and return back to home.
Bijay sharma
Kathmandu , Nepal |
15th
April 2002
PIDGEONS
PLEASE PLEASE CAN ANYONE HELP. DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW OF A LEGAL
RULING REGARDING PIDGEONS IN BACK YARDS. MY FRIEND WHO IS A CHILD
MINDER HAS A NEIGHBOUR WHO BREEDS THEM. OVER THE PAST YEAR HE HAS
BUILT 2 MORE HUTS AND IS STILL BREEDING? A 4TH SHED. THIS IS IN A
RESIDENTIAL AREA. TRIED TO COUNT BRDS OVER 75 LAST COUNT AND RISING.
BECAUSE IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY DONCASTER COUNCIL ( WHO I MIGHT ADD
HAS WRITTEN AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT RE. THESE BIRDS AS BEING A HAZARD
IN THE TOWN CENTRE AND SPREAD DISEASE AND HAVE REQUESTED THEY NOT
BE FED DUE TO CHILDREN AND ADULTS ALIKE MAY CONTACT PROBLEMS WITH
HEALTH) SHE HAS BEEN INFORMED SHE COULD TAKE HIM TO COURT BUT THEY
HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE PIDGEONS AS IT IS PRIVATE PROPERTY. HER CONSERVATORY
BACK YARD TOYS SWING AND SOMETIMES THE CHILDREN HAVE BEEN DROPPED
ON. SHE HAS HAD DOCUMENTATION AND OTHER RESIDENTS IN AND AROUND THIS
PIDGEON HAREEM PU! T ! FORWARD BUT THE ENVIROMENTAL DEPT. IN DONCASTER
HAS ONLY RESPONDED WITH :IF YOU SEE ANY RATS WE CAN DO SOMETHING;
TOO LATE BY THEN DONT YOU THINK WITH ALL THE CHILDREN IN THE BACKYARD.
SUMMER IS NEARLY UPON US AGAIN, THE CHILDREN WILL HAVE NOWHERE TO
PLAY UNTIL ONCE AGIN SHE HAS CLEANED THE WHOLE BACK YARD, AND HER
SIDE OF HER FENCE, (HOW DO THEY KNOW TO FACE THEIR BOTTOMS OVER HER
SIDE?) SO PLEASE HELP THIS IS GETTING SERIOUS. HER LIVELYHOOD AND
SANITY IS AT STAKE. WITH THEIR BOTTOMS HER SIDE OF THE FENCE?)
TRUDDLES
DONCASTER |
12th
April 2002
pigeons
i have just read one of the so-call comments on the feathery little
birds and it was full of stupid and immature name calling about the
pigeons which included baby-scaring. pigeons only scare babies when
their hysterical parents make such a scene when they come towards
them. the hysterical people know who they are-there are plenty of
them.pigeons only want to survive in this world just like we do and
killing them is not the answer. ignorant people who know nothing about
the birds ought to shut up until they read a book about them(if they
can read of which i doubt) pigeons have never scared me because i
tend to not flap and scream when i see one flying near my head. i
know lots of people who sit in the square feeding the pigeons with
their children and they love it. it's a nice, relaxing time where
both parent(s) and child have a proper time together of which they
rarely get these days beca! us! e of work and such. i will be taking
my niece to the square to feed the pigeons when she's a little older
and we will enjoy the time together. i will also answer her questions
about them with proper answers and not stupid ones.
angie
kirkby-in-ashfield |
9th
April 2002
Rats With Wings
Dearest Pidgeon, Die, hateful, reeking, stupidly cooing, suit ruining,
sleep disturbing, pie filling, eye pecking, excrement eating*, baby
scaring,flea ridden mad old bat fed vermin, die. Love, Rich (P.S.
I quite like pidgeons really, I just felt like a good senseless rant.)
Gassing is too good for those disgusting, shivering little bundles
of stentch. Bye!
Richard Ireland
Groningen, NL |
6th
April 2002
Should we kill all pigeons
All the hot air from the contributors to this topic could kill off
the pigeons.
Kathryn
Dayton, Ohio, USA |
|
2nd April 2002
pigeons
There is a solution to Nottinghams problem, and it kills 2 birds
with one stone. The 12 yr old boy from Wisconsin. He loves pigeons
and lives in the country. He has lost his pigeons. We live in a
city, hate pigeons and have loads. Lets send them to him as a present.
Jack
Nottingham
5th April 2002
and in reply... Pigeons
Rock!!!!!!!
Hey Jack from Notts, I love your idea. (If you hadn't guesed, it's
the 12 year old again)I would most certainly enjoy a new pack o'
pigeons!!!!!! Have any of you unfair, shelfish people learnt your
lesson yet? Jack say's, "Lets send them to him as a present." That
is the solution,harmlessly send the pjs somewhere in the country.
I like presents
Mayville, Wiscomsin USA
another
reply...Oh Jack...
Me again I still haven't got the pigeons. Are they coming first
class? They'd better be, a poor unrespected animal like the common
pigeon deserves something good.
8th April
2002
Lil' Pj
WI, USA
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28th
March 2002
pigeons
To you Nottingham Folks: You know what you outa' do- open your minds
and figure out a way to make money off of them. Where there's a will
my darlings, there's a way.
Patience Freund
Port Townsend Wa USA |
27th March 2002
pigons
only good pigon is flat on the street.
Pigeon hater |
26th
March 2002
Pidgeon problems
I found this site trying to find supporting information that pidgeon
droppings are, in fact, toxic. So, if anyone can site a source...I'd
appreciate it! We are considering passing a "no feeding" ordinance,
but I'd like to be able to link it to fact rather than opinion!
Linda
Gardiner/ME/USA |
21st
March 2002
pigeons
WE LOVE PIGEONS!!!!!!!!! there cute and cosy, and real sweet, we agree
with merude. you should breed them!!! so feed the pigeons!! we think
about starting a pigeon-fanclub if you like this idea, mail to lisette@notme.com
"Life is like a half peeled banana in Cuba" the pigeon-lovers siet
lisette from Nijmegen
Lisette
Nijmegen |
19th March 2002
Pigeons
I love pigions and I cannot beleive why anyone would be wevil enough
to shoot them. i mean how would you like it if the pigions decided
that there were too mand humans and wanted to shoot you? Just becaiuse
there are lots of something that doesn't mean that we have the right
to kill it. I would understand if you were going to use the pigions
as meat or something but i think that if you are going to kill them
just because they are getting out of hand hen thsat is totaly unreasnoble
and awful. i am a pigion fanatic and I keep twnty two as pets and
i assure you that they are the kindest and sweetest of all creatures
that roam the earth.XXX
Pigeon lover, UK |
14th
March 2002
pigeons
I personally think that these birds actually cause no harm themselves.
The problem is that they are encouraged onto our buildings by the
people who feed them.Therefore the answer is not to feed them. They
will not starve.This will encourage them to move away from our city
centres and not to breed in such large numbers.If the city-going public
was a little more proud of its own surroundings and put its un-eaten
food in the bins provided, instead of throwing it into the street,I
don't think we would have a pigeon (or rat ) problem, and our cities
would benefit by being much cleaner places to live, work and socialise
in.
Jane Aspinshaw
Nottingham U.K. |
Last
reply... 14th March 2002
Pigeon Pie
I have lived in Notts all my life, and see Market Square almost every
weekend, so I know the pigeon problem we have. Problem is I am partial
to the odd piece of pigeon pie. I have been having 2 or 3 pigeons
away for the past 3 or 4 years, but lately I found that for the same
size pie, I seem to need 4 or 5 pigeons. The problem is now that the
more pigeons I need the harder they are to catch, could anyone please
e-mail with any tips.
Dave M
Clifton Notts
and in reply...
C'mon Dave, you're seriously not eating pigeons are you? They're
dirty animals, surely should go to a credited supplier, that breeds
the birds for eating. Plus you could get nicked, if you're caught!!!
Mr Sanity
Bulwell
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12th
March 2002
Pigeons
I think Pigeons are absolutely vile creatures. They have lots of diseases,
which provide health hazards. They **** on you (which is not very
pleasant at all) It is impossible to eat outside in peace (you always
have Pigeons flocking around you) I really cannot see what use Pigeons
have in this world? I mean yes there is a food chain, but whatever
creature eats Pigeons will surely find something else it can eat?
I think killing these discusting creatures should be made legal and
all these Pigeons should be gathered up and destroyed.
James Bowden
Surrey, UK |
12th
March 2002
kill the pigeons
shoot them all. bleedin' pests. pull out the shotgun and hit as many
as u can! ppuuuuuuuuullllllllll! bang bang. job done.
i hate pigeon crap
nottingham |
4th
March 2002
pigeons
I'm all for these dreadful beasts being run over and eaten, but what
troubles me right now is the fact so many people on this site have
no command of the English language. Whereabouts have half these entrants
learned to spell? It's been some time since I've seen written syntax
been so disqualified from any steer to expressiveness. On my own favour,
I think the pigeon-lovers come off the worst.
Iain Robb
Manchester |
4th
March 2002
A short article by the master of controversy.
It is a
little known fact to the public at large that racing pigeons and their
owners played a major role during wartime towards the eventual peace.
Pigeons were deemed to be of such importance that special services
were set up by military commanders for the purpose of news relay and
espionage. Whilst radio transmissions could be intercepted - the pigeon
went silently with speedy efficiency. Barely a single aircraft left
base without their trusty pigeons in case of mishap, and ground troops
used them to fullest potential from points behind enemy lines.
One wonderful
account is given on www.boglinmarsh.fsnet.co.uk/mather.htm" Boglin
Marsh Portal via the pen of the late Captain W. Mather who served
with the Indian Pigeon Service which was just one of many that were
active in various theatres of war. Pigeons braved all seasons and
conditions to bring the! v! ital messages through - they were flown
over oceans, deserts and even through the densest of jungle. They
carried photographic equipment for survey purposes of enemy troop
movement or armament cache - they were even used to disable enemy
searchlights when missions were in progress. The Middle East Pigeon
Service started with 6 birds, during January 1942; developed large
breeding lofts on the edge of the desert at Digla, Cairo, under Lt.-Col.
Hollingworth C.S.O. Pigeons and served the 8th Army in North Africa
and Italy. They also served the 9th Army and the R.A.F. to develop
the Nomad System (this was a two way system similar to the Boomerang
method and using mobile lofts) - on this system a 6 months old hen
pigeon carried a message back to base from a distance of 500 miles,
260 miles of which was over water. The Nomad System was developed
as an alternative to parachuting pigeons into isolated areas. The
pigeon was trained to leave an aircraft at 1,000 feet and recognise
a ma! rk! ed basket in a field or open area, then pitch into it, returning
to its home loft later with a message attached. It was used in the
Middle East and also the Ruhr area (see 'Ruhr Express' - trained on
this method) The Indian Pigeon Service used the Boomerang System,
where pigeons were trained to fly both ways between two lofts - one
to feed, the other to nest and were able to do this and navigate through
dense jungle over 25-30 miles and behind enemy lines in Burma or Malaya.
Some of these lofts recorded over 1,000 successful flights with message
carrying pigeons and the true value was in the number of lives that
were not placed into positions of further risk, due to the valuable
information obtained. There were secret Pigeon Services in France
Maquis), Holland, Belgium and Denmark, where those involved risked
death for keeping pigeons. These also supplied vital information of
enemy troop movements etc. Other valuable service was rendered by
American, Canadian, New Zealand an! d ! Australian Pigeon Services
(see below) The Dickin Medal ~ The recipients and the citations: ALL
ALONE' - NURP 39 SDS 39 - Awarded February 1946. "For delivering an
important message in one day over a distance of 400 miles while serving
with the NPS in August 1943 'BILLY' NU41 HQ 4373'' - Awarded August
1945. "For delivering a message from a force-landed bomber while in
a state of complete collapse and under exceptionally bad weather conditions,
while serving with the RAF in 1942." 'BROAD ARROW' - 41 2793 - Awarded
October 1945. "For bringing important messages from enemy occupied
country three times, viz: May 1943, June 1943 and August 1943 while
serving with the Special Service from the Continent. ' BEACH COMBER'
- NPS 41 4230 - Awarded March 1944. "For bringing the first news to
this country of the landing at Dieppe under hazardous conditions in
September 1942, while serving with the Canadian Army 'COLOGNE' - NURP
39 NPS 144 - Awarded "For homing from a crashed aircraft ov! er! Cologne
although seriously wounded, while serving with the RAF in 1943." 'COMMANDO'
- NURP 38 EGU 242 - Awarded March 1945. "For successfully delivering
messages from agents n occupied France on three occasions: twice under
exceptionally adverse conditions, while serving with the NPS in 1942."
'DUKE OF NORMANDY' - NURP 41 SBC 219 - Awarded January 1947. "For
being the first bird to arrive with a message from Paratroops of 21st
Army Group behind enemy lines on D Day June 6th 1944, while serving
the APS." ' DUTCH COAST' - NURP 41 A 2164 - Awarded March 1945. "For
delivering an SOS from a ditched Air Crew close to the enemy coast
288 miles distant in 7.5 hours, under very unfavourable conditions,
while serving with the RAF in April 1942 'DD 43 TQ 879' (Australian
Army Signals Corps - AwardedFebruary 1947. "During an exceptionally
heavy tropical storm, June 1945, Army Boat 1402 foundered on Wardour
Beach in the Heron Gulf. This pigeon was released with the message
'Engine faile! d ! washed on Beach Wardour owing to heavy seas. Send
help immediately. Craft rapidly filling with sand.' The pigeon homed
to Madang through heavy rain, 40 miles in 50 minutes. As a result
a rescue ship was sent to the craft and a valuable cargo salvaged.
The bird flew 23 operations totalling 1004 miles 'GI JOE' - USA 43
SC 6390 - Awarded 1946. "This bird is credited with making the most
outstanding flight by a US Army Pigeon in World War II. Making the
20 miles flight from British 10th Army HQ, in the same number of minutes,
it brought a message which arrived just in time to save the lives
of at 100 allied soldiers from being bombed by their own planes 'GUSTAV'
- NPS 42 31066 - Awarded September 1944. "For delivering the first
message from the Normandy Beaches from a ship off the beach-head while
serving with the RAF on June 6th 1944 'KENLEY LASS' - NURP 36 JH 190
- Awarded March 1945. "For being the first pigeon to be used with
success for secret communications from an agent i! n ! enemy-occupied
France while serving with the NPS in October 1920 'MERCURY' - NURP
37 CEN 335 - Awarded August 1946. "For carrying out a special task
involving a flight of 480 miles from Northern Denmark while serving
the Special Section of the Army Pigeon Service in July 1942 'MARY'
- NURP 40 WCE 249 - Awarded November 1945. "For outstanding endurance
on War Service in spite of injury." 'MAQUIS' - NPS NS 36392 - Awarded
October 1945. "For bringing important messages three times from an
enemy occupied country, viz: May 1943 (Amiens), February 1944(Combined
Operations) and in June 1944 (French Maquis) while serving with the
Special Service from the Continent." 'NAVY BLUE' - NPS 41 NS 2X62
- Awarded March 1945. "For delivering an important message from a
Raiding Party on the West Coast of France, although injured, while
serving with the RAF in June 1944 NURP 43 CC 1414- Awarded January
1947. "For the fastest flight with a message from 6th Airborne Division
Normandy, 7th June 19! 44! , while serving with APS." NPS 42 NS 278-
Awarded October 1945. " For bringing important messages three times
from an enemy occupied country, viz: July 1942, August 1942 and April
1943, while serving with the Special Service from the Continent NPS
42 NS 7524 - Awarded October 1945. " For bringing important messages
three times from an enemy occupied country, viz: May 1943 and July
1943, while serving with the Special Service from the Continent 'PADDY'
- NPS 43 9451 - Awarded September 1944. "For the best recorded time
with a message from the Normandy Operations while serving with the
RAF in June 1994 'PRINCESS' -43 WD 593 - Awarded May 1946. "Sent on
a special mission to Crete, this pigeon returned to her loft (RAF
Alexandria) having travelled about 500 miles mostly over sea, with
most valuable information. One of the finest performances in the war
record of the Pigeon Service 'PIGEON' - NURP 38 BPC 6 - Awarded August
1946. "For three outstanding flights from France while se! rv! ing
with the Special Section of the Army Pigeon Service 11th July 1941,
9th September 1941 and 29th November 1941 'RUHR EXPRESS' - NPS 43
29018 - Awarded May 1945. "For carrying an important message from
the Rhur Pocket in excellent time, while serving with the RAF in April
1945 'SCOTCH LASS' - NPS 42 21610 - Awarded June 1945. "For bringing
38 microphotographs across the North Sea in good time although injured,
while serving with the RAF in Holland in September 1944 'TYKE' - 1263
MEPS 43 - Awarded December 1943. " For delivering a message under
exceptionally difficult conditions and so contributing to the rescue
of an Air Crew while serving with the RAF in The Mediterranean in
June 1943 'TOMMY' - NURP 41 DHZ 56 - Awarded February 1946. "For delivering
valuable messages from Holland to Lancashire under difficult conditions,
while serving with the NPS in July 1942." 'WINKIE' - NEHU 40 NSI -
Awarded December 1943. " For delivering a message under exceptionally
difficult condit! io! ns, and so contributing to the rescue of an
Air Crew while serving with the RAF in February 1942. WILLIAM OF ORANGE'
- Awarded May 1945. "For delivering a message from the Arnhem Airborne
Operation in record time for any single pigeon, while serving with
the APS in September 1944." This pigeon was released at 4.30am with
an important despatch and performed the unequalled feat of covering
260 miles - 135 of them over sea in 4 hours 25 minutes to his home
loft. The flying speed was therefore 1740 yards per minute, nearly
60 miles per hour, showing great endurance and determination. 'WHITE
VISION' - Awarded December 2nd 1943. "For delivering a message under
exceptionally difficult conditions and so contributing to the rescue
of an air crew while serving with the RAF in October 1943." A flying-boat
had to ditch off the Hebrides at 8.20 one morning. Sea-rescue operations
were hindered by very bad weather and air search was impossible because
of thick mist. At 5pm that afternoon W! hi! te Vision arrived at her
loft with a message giving the position of the ditched aircraft and
as a result the search was resumed, the aircraft sighted and rescue
of the crew effected. White Vision had flown 60 miles over heavy seas
against a head wind of 25 miles an hour with visibility only a hundred
yards at the place of release and three hundred yards at the place
of arrival.
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