Should we kill all
the pigeons?
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3rd March 2002
pigeons/dogs/cats
To Corinne Graehame, Yes Corinne, good idea, any pigeons, stray dogs
and cats that are on the prowl and appear to be unattached to responsible
people, definitely shoot the lot.
ken marshall
mansfield, notts |
Piegons
Don't send them here to the US. Please, I left Nottingham to get away
from them and my ex wife. I knew our marriagre was doomed to failure
for when waiting at the Lions for a date one evening, one of the cities
finest birds dropped a white splatter bomb on my best suit. Believe
it or not my ex was a piegon lover and claimed me as the chosen one.
I should have gotten my ticket then. Cheers. Peter, Monroe NJ USA
Peter O'Brien
Monroe, NJ USA |
pigeons
There is a solution to Nottinghams problem, and it kills 2 birds with
one stone. The 12 yr old boy from Wisconsin. He loves pigeons and
lives in the country. He has lost his pigeons. We live in a city,
hate pigeons and have loads. Lets send them to him as a present.
Jack
Nottingham |
Pigeons
Flying Rats, No time for them, All those people in the USA that love
them you can have ours.
GB
Notts |
pigeons!
Kill them all before they take over the WORLD!!!! I for one have been
a victim of the nasty disease filled flying rats flying into my head
on numerous occasions! I believe the only thing to be done is kill
them all! I mean what do they do anyway? they are not an integral
part of the food chain nor do they cure diseases-in fact they carry
more diseases than any other creature! So there! Lets all make one
big fat pigeon pie! ENJOY!!!
helenwilkinson
lancaster |
pigeons
Look I may have led a sheltered life but I am amazed how many people
from the USA are logged onto our lil' ol' Nottingham site. Hi you
guys. Pigeons? Leave em alone poor little buggers!
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Pigeons
Pigeons ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am just a 12 year old boy who
lives on a farm in a small town of Wisconsin. Since I was in 3rd grade
I have had a fond love for pigeons. I have a coop where many of them
live, or I did. Just this morning I checked on them and they were
all gone!!!! I am determined to find out what happend to them. It
is a HORRIBLE lose for me. So all of you who hate pigeons, you can
take the time to realize how much they mean to me and MANY others!!!
I LOVE PIGEONS
WI USA |
Pigeons
I feel that we are the authors of our own pigeon problem. We supply
old or derelict buildings with ledges and crevices to nest in, we
feed them outrightly or leave garbage on streets and open garbage
bins where they can feed freely. Given this, one can hardly blame
the pigeons from taking full advantage of human ignorance and stupidity
and thriving. We even do the same thing to our own kind, right? So
we鈥檝e got what we deserve. I say that if we wish to get rid of the
pigeon problem, we have to clean up our own act. Level the derelict
buildings and clean up the sites, patch up the old ones, educate the
population that feeding the pigeons and leaving garbage on the streets
or in open bins is not acceptable. Once we get rid of the breeding
areas and the food supply, the pigeons will cull themselves. It is
just a matter of getting off our collective lazy butts and doing it.
As an aside, people who feed pigeons bread and -- even worse -- rice
don鈥檛 seem to realize that they are doing them a great deal of harm.
A pigeon鈥檚 digestive system is primitive 鈥 even amongst birds. They
can not handle anything other than seeds and fresh water. Anything
else, such as bread and rice, give them diarrhea and gas. This is
the chief reason for the large volume of messy pigeon droppings. Also,
because bread and such is such poor nutrition, they are constantly
devouring more of it and creating even more droppings. Also, in some
cases, for some pigeons the pressure of the gas created by eating
such stuff is so bad that their innards rupture. I have seen several
pigeon carcases on the streets of Ottawa with their chests blown out
because of this. This is a wretched and undeserved way for any creature
to die. Unfortunately, because most die on rooftops and in their nests,
pigeon feeders never see the result of their 鈥済ood deed鈥, yet, if
it wasn鈥檛 for the city crews (in Ottawa) cleaning up the hundreds
of pigeon carcases the city would have soon been long since overrun
with rats and other carrion feeders. I, for one, would like to see
the pigeons survive but not as vermin. With education, cleanup and
proper bird management they do not need to be.
Zabad bin Zabad
Ottawa, Canada |
pigions
I don't want to kill them. All I want to know is reliable way/method
to get them out of my roof before the destroy my house.....!
R. Perea
Cd. Ju谩rez Chihuahua, M茅xico. |
Re:
Pad Pigeon Submission
I've submitted before but it has to be said that pigeons are little
more than mistakes of nature. The marvels of creation do not extend
to truly annoying animals like wasps, or rats, or these evil fiends
which plague insomniacs with a noise that can only be described as
the sound of people being tortured on a ghost train. My neighbours
feed the things and they have decided to stay on my roof. They crap
on my windows when I try to scare them away. Snapper turtles are becoming
extinct in South America. All they do is bite people's feet off. Surely
conservationists should get the idea that some species are totally
pointless and they ought to go extinct.
Iain Robb
Manchester |
pigeons
they are nussiance and need to be witled down to small numbers. Just
look at London, its over run!
Nick Little
Shrewsbury |
Pigeons
How dare you all decide how another species lives or dies, shame on
all you pityful humans who need to pick on other species that are
smaller but by no means less valuble. I second LONG LIVE THE PIGEON.
Adem
Nottinham, UK |
THEM
BIRDS
THEY ARE FANTASTIC THEY BREATHE LIFE INTO THE CITY, I REGULARLY ENJOY
THERE BEAUTIFUL PRESENCE AND OFTEN CAPTURE A FAIR FEW TO GAZE AT IN
THE WEEEEEE SMALL HOURS OF THE MORN! bEING 85 I REMEMBER THEY DAY
WHERE WAS A TASTY MEAL FOR ME AND MY FAMILY UNFORTUNATLY THEY HAVE
ALL NOW DIED OF FOOD POISENING! FOR THOSE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT DROPPINGS
THEY MAKE A GREAT SIDE DISH!
ETHEL BROWN
NOTTINGHAM |
Pigeon
shoots
I just return back from one of the intresting times of a grown adults
life a pigeon shoot the formal game with the ring I shot at 40 to
50 bird that day what a great time its a bit much on the money end
of it but still a great time I will go on in life have no other toughts
but when is the next shoot..and I will go to teach my son a sport
like this in coming years a head....
Jay Kay
Chicago IL. |
pigeons
The only purpose pigeons serve is to keep me awake every morning with
the horrible racket they make. I can't get rid of them. Every morning!
I am a light sleeper and can't get to sleep till the time they all
appear. They are vermin! They also spread disease.
Iain Robb
Manchester |
pigeons
kill em'.
Dwane
Nottingham |
Save
the pigeons
I am 12 years old an 2 years ago i started to help wonded pigeons
,and raising them . It is wrong to kill somthing that surviving from
all the worlds tecnoligie and is found almost every were on the world
! So don't kill. Save.
Sacha
London Canada |
pigeons
re KEVIN WEEON THE ONLY VERMIN ON THIS PLANT ARE PRATTS LIKE YOU LONG
LIVE THE PIGEON
mick
KENT |
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pidgeons
Pidgeons are filthy and stupid. Kill them all. Better yet, let me
kill them all!
Todd
Wpg, Mb, Canada
gwen
get a life, TOD, it seems to me your not a very nice person, sad
boy,
gwen
uk
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pigeons
I am 13 years old and absolutly hate pigeons they are the vermin of
the earth. I have killed more than 50 over the past two years and
will continue too until i have had enough.
Dave
westmidlands england |
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Ofcourse we should kill the filthy beasts, and the idiots who feed
these modern bringers of plague. But there is a more important issue
here. I am appalled by the amount of bad spelling, non-existent
grammar, mangled syntax and other signs of near illiteracy in these
messages. First dispatch the pigeons. Then let's shoot the teachers
responsible for turning out a generation of ignoramuses.
Einstein
Toronto, Canada
reply to
einstein
what give you the right to insult people, I would rather be a bad
speller and hold my head up high, than an ignorant sad person like
you. I think your name should be frankintein.it's a pitty your teachers
didnt teach you some manners.
gwen
uk
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Pideons
A local community wants a neighborhood grant to pay for a trapping
system to help solve their pideon problem. The birds have taken over
town (think "The Birds") and the government will not help. I am the
grants administrator--is this town beautification or wildlife extermination?
The former, of course, would fit within our guidelines. Are the birds
relocated? I ask. Well actually, their exterminated and then used
for glue.
Amy
Salinas, California |
Pigeons
DEATH TO ALL SCUM PIGEONS. I'm not talking delicious woodpigeons but
the reeking townie versions fed by idiotic lonely mad old ladies.
I urge everyone to buy an airgun and get to it. Failing that I hear
a loaf of bread and a squash racket can produce amazing results. Powerful
catapults are also easily available. Get some ball bearings and go
for it. Anyone seen deliberately feeding a scum pigeon is also fair
game in my book. Racing pigeon owners and fanciers - I've no problem
with.
Jack
London |
Pigeons
Shoot em all- Damned Rats with Wings.
GOATWHO
Gedling |
A short article by the master of controversy. It is a little known
fact to the public at large that racing pigeons and their owners played
a major role during wartime towards the eventual peace. Pigeons were
deemed to be of such importance that special services were set up
by military commanders for the purpose of news relay and espionage.
Whilst radio transmissions could be intercepted - the pigeon went
silently with speedy efficiency. Barely a single aircraft left base
without their trusty pigeons in case of mishap, and ground troops
used them to fullest potential from points behind enemy lines. One
wonderful account is given on www.boglinmarsh.fsnet.co.uk/mather.htm"
Boglin Marsh Portal via the pen of the late Captain W. Mather who
served with the Indian Pigeon Service which was just one of many that
were active in various theatres of war. Pigeons braved all seasons
and conditions to bring the! v! ital messages through - they were
flown over oceans, deserts and even through the densest of jungle.
They carried photographic equipment for survey purposes of enemy troop
movement or armament cache - they were even used to disable enemy
searchlights when missions were in progress. The Middle East Pigeon
Service started with 6 birds, during January 1942; developed large
breeding lofts on the edge of the desert at Digla, Cairo, under Lt.-Col.
Hollingworth C.S.O. Pigeons and served the 8th Army in North Africa
and Italy. They also served the 9th Army and the R.A.F. to develop
the Nomad System (this was a two way system similar to the Boomerang
method and using mobile lofts) - on this system a 6 months old hen
pigeon carried a message back to base from a distance of 500 miles,
260 miles of which was over water. The Nomad System was developed
as an alternative to parachuting pigeons into isolated areas. The
pigeon was trained to leave an aircraft at 1,000 feet and recognise
a ma! rk! ed basket in a field or open area, then pitch into it, returning
to its home loft later with a message attached. It was used in the
Middle East and also the Ruhr area (see 'Ruhr Express' - trained on
this method) The Indian Pigeon Service used the Boomerang System,
where pigeons were trained to fly both ways between two lofts - one
to feed, the other to nest and were able to do this and navigate through
dense jungle over 25-30 miles and behind enemy lines in Burma or Malaya.
Some of these lofts recorded over 1,000 successful flights with message
carrying pigeons and the true value was in the number of lives that
were not placed into positions of further risk, due to the valuable
information obtained. There were secret Pigeon Services in France
Maquis), Holland, Belgium and Denmark, where those involved risked
death for keeping pigeons. These also supplied vital information of
enemy troop movements etc. Other valuable service was rendered by
American, Canadian, New Zealand an! d ! Australian Pigeon Services
(see below) The Dickin Medal ~ The recipients and the citations: ALL
ALONE' - NURP 39 SDS 39 - Awarded February 1946. "For delivering an
important message in one day over a distance of 400 miles while serving
with the NPS in August 1943 'BILLY' NU41 HQ 4373'' - Awarded August
1945. "For delivering a message from a force-landed bomber while in
a state of complete collapse and under exceptionally bad weather conditions,
while serving with the RAF in 1942." 'BROAD ARROW' - 41 2793 - Awarded
October 1945. "For bringing important messages from enemy occupied
country three times, viz: May 1943, June 1943 and August 1943 while
serving with the Special Service from the Continent. ' BEACH COMBER'
- NPS 41 4230 - Awarded March 1944. "For bringing the first news to
this country of the landing at Dieppe under hazardous conditions in
September 1942, while serving with the Canadian Army 'COLOGNE' - NURP
39 NPS 144 - Awarded "For homing from a crashed aircraft ov! er! Cologne
although seriously wounded, while serving with the RAF in 1943." 'COMMANDO'
- NURP 38 EGU 242 - Awarded March 1945. "For successfully delivering
messages from agents n occupied France on three occasions: twice under
exceptionally adverse conditions, while serving with the NPS in 1942."
'DUKE OF NORMANDY' - NURP 41 SBC 219 - Awarded January 1947. "For
being the first bird to arrive with a message from Paratroops of 21st
Army Group behind enemy lines on D Day June 6th 1944, while serving
the APS." ' DUTCH COAST' - NURP 41 A 2164 - Awarded March 1945. "For
delivering an SOS from a ditched Air Crew close to the enemy coast
288 miles distant in 7.5 hours, under very unfavourable conditions,
while serving with the RAF in April 1942 'DD 43 TQ 879' (Australian
Army Signals Corps - AwardedFebruary 1947. "During an exceptionally
heavy tropical storm, June 1945, Army Boat 1402 foundered on Wardour
Beach in the Heron Gulf. This pigeon was released with the message
'Engine faile! d ! washed on Beach Wardour owing to heavy seas. Send
help immediately. Craft rapidly filling with sand.' The pigeon homed
to Madang through heavy rain, 40 miles in 50 minutes. As a result
a rescue ship was sent to the craft and a valuable cargo salvaged.
The bird flew 23 operations totalling 1004 miles 'GI JOE' - USA 43
SC 6390 - Awarded 1946. "This bird is credited with making the most
outstanding flight by a US Army Pigeon in World War II. Making the
20 miles flight from British 10th Army HQ, in the same number of minutes,
it brought a message which arrived just in time to save the lives
of at 100 allied soldiers from being bombed by their own planes 'GUSTAV'
- NPS 42 31066 - Awarded September 1944. "For delivering the first
message from the Normandy Beaches from a ship off the beach-head while
serving with the RAF on June 6th 1944 'KENLEY LASS' - NURP 36 JH 190
- Awarded March 1945. "For being the first pigeon to be used with
success for secret communications from an agent i! n ! enemy-occupied
France while serving with the NPS in October 1920 'MERCURY' - NURP
37 CEN 335 - Awarded August 1946. "For carrying out a special task
involving a flight of 480 miles from Northern Denmark while serving
the Special Section of the Army Pigeon Service in July 1942 'MARY'
- NURP 40 WCE 249 - Awarded November 1945. "For outstanding endurance
on War Service in spite of injury." 'MAQUIS' - NPS NS 36392 - Awarded
October 1945. "For bringing important messages three times from an
enemy occupied country, viz: May 1943 (Amiens), February 1944(Combined
Operations) and in June 1944 (French Maquis) while serving with the
Special Service from the Continent." 'NAVY BLUE' - NPS 41 NS 2X62
- Awarded March 1945. "For delivering an important message from a
Raiding Party on the West Coast of France, although injured, while
serving with the RAF in June 1944 NURP 43 CC 1414- Awarded January
1947. "For the fastest flight with a message from 6th Airborne Division
Normandy, 7th June 19! 44! , while serving with APS." NPS 42 NS 278-
Awarded October 1945. " For bringing important messages three times
from an enemy occupied country, viz: July 1942, August 1942 and April
1943, while serving with the Special Service from the Continent NPS
42 NS 7524 - Awarded October 1945. " For bringing important messages
three times from an enemy occupied country, viz: May 1943 and July
1943, while serving with the Special Service from the Continent 'PADDY'
- NPS 43 9451 - Awarded September 1944. "For the best recorded time
with a message from the Normandy Operations while serving with the
RAF in June 1994 'PRINCESS' -43 WD 593 - Awarded May 1946. "Sent on
a special mission to Crete, this pigeon returned to her loft (RAF
Alexandria) having travelled about 500 miles mostly over sea, with
most valuable information. One of the finest performances in the war
record of the Pigeon Service 'PIGEON' - NURP 38 BPC 6 - Awarded August
1946. "For three outstanding flights from France while se! rv! ing
with the Special Section of the Army Pigeon Service 11th July 1941,
9th September 1941 and 29th November 1941 'RUHR EXPRESS' - NPS 43
29018 - Awarded May 1945. "For carrying an important message from
the Rhur Pocket in excellent time, while serving with the RAF in April
1945 'SCOTCH LASS' - NPS 42 21610 - Awarded June 1945. "For bringing
38 microphotographs across the North Sea in good time although injured,
while serving with the RAF in Holland in September 1944 'TYKE' - 1263
MEPS 43 - Awarded December 1943. " For delivering a message under
exceptionally difficult conditions and so contributing to the rescue
of an Air Crew while serving with the RAF in The Mediterranean in
June 1943 'TOMMY' - NURP 41 DHZ 56 - Awarded February 1946. "For delivering
valuable messages from Holland to Lancashire under difficult conditions,
while serving with the NPS in July 1942." 'WINKIE' - NEHU 40 NSI -
Awarded December 1943. " For delivering a message under exceptionally
difficult condit! io! ns, and so contributing to the rescue of an
Air Crew while serving with the RAF in February 1942. WILLIAM OF ORANGE'
- Awarded May 1945. "For delivering a message from the Arnhem Airborne
Operation in record time for any single pigeon, while serving with
the APS in September 1944." This pigeon was released at 4.30am with
an important despatch and performed the unequalled feat of covering
260 miles - 135 of them over sea in 4 hours 25 minutes to his home
loft. The flying speed was therefore 1740 yards per minute, nearly
60 miles per hour, showing great endurance and determination. 'WHITE
VISION' - Awarded December 2nd 1943. "For delivering a message under
exceptionally difficult conditions and so contributing to the rescue
of an air crew while serving with the RAF in October 1943." A flying-boat
had to ditch off the Hebrides at 8.20 one morning. Sea-rescue operations
were hindered by very bad weather and air search was impossible because
of thick mist. At 5pm that afternoon W! hi! te Vision arrived at her
loft with a message giving the position of the ditched aircraft and
as a result the search was resumed, the aircraft sighted and rescue
of the crew effected. White Vision had flown 60 miles over heavy seas
against a head wind of 25 miles an hour with visibility only a hundred
yards at the place of release and three hundred yards at the place
of arrival. Perhaps the 成人论坛 should make a Documentary about these
Heroic Pigeons?
Richard Scott
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