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People are more numerous, dirty and far more of a health hazard than any pigeons I have ever met and yet I have never had a murderous thought yet. I don't want to play God. The position seems to be over-subscribed. (and yes I am a vegetarian).

Susie
Nottingham

Oh look, aren't we the great species. Of course, we know how everything works and so we must be the superior beings and so have control over every other living thing right? Wrong. No person has the right to take any other life, human or otherwise. If you don't like the pigeons, move. They've been there longer than you I wouldn't mind betting...

Carl
Nottingham

Pigeons should not be shot, they are 'lives' like you and me. I suppose you all agree with fox hunting too.

Nick
Nottm

Pigeons should not be shot they are human too and have feelings just like you and me and i feel very strongly about this issue i live in sutton-in-ashfield near mansfield pigeons are always walking about here it`s great and so wonderful to see them i love feeding them crumbs of bread or something else ift`s a good job those pigeons can`t read or hear if they could they like myself would be devastated and heartbroken at the way so called human beings on this planet are treating them if these people who are calling for pigeons to be shot are so keen why not let some decent human being who really cares about pigeons putthose pigeon haters up against a wall and let someone take a pot shot at them i knowe in the least they would not find it one bit amusing and hopefully would cghange their views and so leaqve those poor lonely pigeons alone Name -

Alison Wright, a 28 year old lover of everything living including birds.
Sutton-in-ashfield
Nottinghamshire

according to alison wright, 28, "pigeons are human too". really alison, i thought they were birds all these years... silly me. for a 28 year old your insight is remarkable, and if that is your best defence for not exterminating this health hazard then your intellect is little better than that of a pigeon quite frankly. kill them humanely by all means, but kill them.

giles metcalfe
nottingham

There is a lot more to pigeons then meets the eye for example look at



for dynamic pictures of pigeons on a spinning cycle wheel. bet you have never seen anything like it in your life. very entertaining as well.

Jack Kybird
Coventry, England

I find the pigeons a nuisance, but I would say to anyone who wishes to get rid of them altogether 'better the devil you know. Go to many northern cities (i know Leeds quite well) & see the prob;lem of Starlings which make a terrible noise & are just as dirty & more prolific. Cull them by all means, but they protect us from far worse.

Alan
Nottingham

Pigeons are simply creatures which have learned to live amongst people with a great deal of success. You won't beat them now and you never will. Haven't we destroyed enough animals homes with our building and polluting? Well folks it's payback time.

Cris
Nottingham

Feed the birds twopence a day! I have recently moved away from Nottingham after spending most of my youth there. The pigeons in slab square are to me part of Nottingham's make up, but unfortunately have grown to become more of a nuisance than a nicety. Cull them, not kill them and stop playing Mary Poppins! Maybe we can then have the best of a bad bunch to admire, rather than the majority to clean after.

Jo Hnat
Harrogate

The pigeons in Mansfield are a damn nuisance and should be shot and as regards disease try cycling down Stockwell Gate and have one of them fly up in your face and it won't be long before you have a dose of falling off disease.

robintheres

The pigeons are a nusance and need to be reduced. Mansfield is getting as bad as Nottingham, so something has to be done. The mess that is created on buildings, etc. is an eyesore. Something has to be done and soon!!

P J
Mansfield Notts.

I was born in Nottingham but now I live in Perth Western Australia, even though I left when I was little I can still remember the dirty pigeons, and the streets of Nottingham.

Australia Im proud to say is so clean and pigeonless. I had to laugh at Dave Marsh's suggestion,about pigeons using contraceptives, "Nice thought".

Julia Smith
Perth WA

I feel that all the creatures in our city have a right to be there. they were here a long time before us and those people who only see the,for use of a better word poo! are very blinkered, i mean i am not as one person put it a tree hugger but i feel if we as a population in nottingham had not expanded so much there would not be pigeons under our feet. we moved into their territory so stop wining and learn to live with it!

Teresa Mcdonnell
Cinderhill Nottingham

To all you potential pigeon murderers, I hope you come back in your next life as a pigeon.

Arlene
Nottingham

I think we need to educate people about the subject of your common Feral Pigeon before you can expect people to give sensible recommendations as to what should be done about them.

Personally, I think we they make a city look filthy very quickly. But as for the question of "how to deal with them" ? You can't be humane really, either you live with them or erradicate them. You might consider re-wording erradication to some form of 'Sport' to make it almost acceptable (Like fox hunting), but either you sort out the mess (Do your part and don't deffend them), or you effectivly contribute to the levels of excrement covering the pathments, bus stops and buildings it by doing nothing (It might as well by your own mess up there, didn't like that thought did you!). I'm only a student here, but blimey, Nottingham is the best City I've ever lived in. The people of Nottingham deserve better!

Ade
Location Unknown

A pigeon vacuum could be the answer. The pigeons that I have encountered in Nottingham are either so used to being around people or just so stupid that it wouldn't be very difficult to sneak up on them and suck them all up. The machine could mulch them in the process and the waste could be disposed of quite efficiently. So any young minds out there looking to make their mark on history try putting your mind to designing the pigeon vacuum. There is nothing at all likeable about pigeons; not their looks, behaviour or that horrible noise they make. I am sure that the majority of people who live here would not miss the pigeons if they were exterminated. There are just a few nutters who insist on feeding them and encouraging them to flock to the city and they too need to be dealt with. Perhaps those people who feed them should be forced to pay compensation to the city who have to spend tax money to clean up the mess they cause and to the owners of buildings damaged b! ! y these disgusting creatures.

Patrick
Nottingham

I am in my 50s yet I cannot remember a time when the pigeon problem was as bad as it is now. I cannot now think of spending pleasant hour with my lunch in the square or waiting there to meet someone as I used to do. I currently live in the country and when we have vermin we deal with them. Just because you live in a city should make no difference. Cull them, now!

Kevin Beales
Worcs

I bet the people who oppose getting rid of the pigeons are the same people who keep loads of dogs in their bedsits and flats and take them out and let them foul the pavements and parks. I don't suppose they would find pigeons dirty and offensive.

Patrick
Sherwood, Nottingham

We live in a world where humans eat chicken and hawks eat pigeons. Humans pet cats and dogs while rats eat fecies and sleep in sewers. And this is the way it should be. Countries all over the world maintain even population levels for various game by providing hunting seasons. Why should pigeons be overlooked? Similar to the deer population in certain areas of the world, the pigeon population is out of control. Unlike the deer population, pigeons are over running our cities. They are spreading disease, craping on our heads at sporting events, giving us nightmares and leaving us angry, frustrated and filled with hatred. All of those individuals who say they love the evil "flying rodents" must not have experienced a targeted carpet bombing by a hapless flock of seagulls or pigeons. From time to time I wake up shaking in the middle of the night with memories of "flying rats" attacking my two daughters in Nottingham. Whatever it takes; however it happens; they must be stopped! Their population is growing faster than ours. If we don't do something to slow them down they will soon take over the world. Pigeon Pie? I wouldn't give the little bastards the satisfaction of knowing that they added any value to society.

Bogey Lowenstein
San Francisco/ USA

People should be encouraged to dispose of rubbish carefully and NOT to feed the pigeons, they will eventually look for food elsewhere.

Sandra
Sneinton, Nottingham

I love the pigeons, I think it's very cruel of you to suggest killing them. Besides, if they do a number 2 in the square it'll keep someone in a job cleaning it up! Stop getting in a flap over the pigeons.

Jane
Victoria Centre Flats, Nottingham

Hawks, poison, shooting - why not employ an egg collector! He or she could collect them, leaving the occasional one - the rest could be made into an enormous omelette to feed the beggars on Nottingham's streets!! This way we cut down both in a humane way (eggs instead of money for the beggars - they won't be back). We walk the streets, leave the pigeons to do the same.

Sue
Nuthall, Nottingham

They're absolute vermin and should be killed. They make areas like the Market Square filthy and give a very poor image of the city. The local council should also clamp down on the idiots who feed these flying rats!

Steve
Colwick, Nottingham

and in reply...

I AGREE WITH STEVE OF COLWICK AND CHRIS CLARK A FEW HEALTHY PIDGEONS ARE ONE THING BUT WHAT WE HAVE IN NOTTINGHAM IS NOTHING BUT A PLAGUE OF "FLYING RATS"

PHIL
NOTTINGHAM

They're a health hazard and should be got rid of. All these people who keep saying "don't kill the pigeons," - I bet they wouldn't say that if there was a plague of rats in the city.

Dick Dastardly
Bulwell, Nottingham

Why not pay the homeless to catch them. 拢1 per pigeon - dead or alive - that way everyone is happy!!!!

Kingjevs
Notts.

If we should kill the "fifthly" pigeons than how about instituting a mandatory blood test to find out who has AIDs and kill them too before they spread disease. And how about those dirty homeless wretches? Off with them as well. Perhaps then we can evolve further by testing DNA for IQ levels and exterminate any one below average. Once the city is rid of the diseased, the poor, and the stupid we can get down to the people with drug habits, and the ones that listen to "trashy" music. While were at it why don't we build a pire in the town square and burn the witches and the Jews too. But first things first LETS START WITH THE PIGEONS!

Heather Sheppard
US

I would love to shop in Nottingham without living in fear. For some reason I always seem to be used as target practice. There are too many pigeons in central Nottingham for their own good, and, unfortunately, something must be done about it. In some areas they feed the pigeons contraceptive tablets. Why not in Nottingham? It is far more humane than killing them.

Sue
Loughborough

Stop whining about the dirty pigeons!! I wish people would stop trying to be so politically correct about such trivial things. If there's too many then let's kill'em. Get the big eagle/hawk/machine gun out and start doing something. Why not see if we could use the pigeons to make a Nottingham delicacy as part of the new city image?? I can see it now..."Nottingham, land of pigeon pie".

Tom "Buglet" Bass"fish"
Nottingham and Preston

They should be shot or poisoned. They are 'flying rats' - a health hazard.

Chris Clark
Nottingham

I have nothing against pigeons as a rule, but the ones in the square are all scabby and disgusting When I moved to Nottingham 5 years ago the square area was quite nice. Now I avoid it like the plague because if someone drops even the tiniest bit of a crisp or something, whole swarms of them descend at once! It makes the area look horrible and dirty and gives a bad impression of the town.

Sarah
Nottingham

and in reply...

Until 1998 I'd lived in Nottingham for six years and, if a recent visit is anything to go by, the situation with pigeons in Market Square was the same then as it is now. Besides, Nottingham has far more sinister residents... concentrate on making the streets safe first, eh?

Degs
Newcastle

Why not mix a contraceptive with the food and let them get on with it, or not as the case may be.

Dave Marsh
Amsterdam, Holland

I wholeheartedly agree with Steve, Dick (?!) and Chris. All the pigeons should be shot. Apart from the fact that they are a downright nuisance and spread disease, they make the lives of people with bird phobia an absolute misery. If you want to be PC and humane about it, why not look at . (The 成人论坛 is not responsible for the content of external websites). But I'm sure a shotgun is cheaper!

Helen
Nottingham

Pigeons have been a part of our history for centuries. Lets not forget the war years when pigeons were a big part 0f the war effort and saved countless lives. The birds in the street can be a nuisance to some but some people love to feed them,lets strike a balance and thin them out when numbers are too high.but don't forget rung racing pigeons are the property of someone and should be reported to the royal pigeon racing association so the owner can be found, they are not all feral.

Mr l Rowland
Tamworth, Staffs.

You could try the contraceptive method. Food is mixed with a substance that inhibits production of eggs. The birds still do their thing but with little egg production.

Maureen
Canada

I haven't been shopping in Nottingham more than twice since they had that hawk thing to kill the pigeons, I shop at more humane places. I loved the pigeons!!!

Joan Sisson
Keyworth, Notts

No pigeon's should be shot, but perhaps the littering humans and polluting fast food outlets could be put before a firing squad!!!

Robert Steadman
Beeston

and in reply...

I also think there are far too many pigeons in the city centre and they should be controlled. The pigeon mess is disgusting and sometimes you have to dive for cover for fear of being pooed on!!!!!! In reply to Robert Steadman yes humans are responsible for littering but if you say something to someone for littering you run the chance of getting a mouthful of abuse or even worse. I have always taught my children from a very young age they are now 10 and 14 if you can't find a bin you put your rubbish in your bag or pocket and get rid of it when you get home. I only wish other people would do the same. As for the fast food outlets, McDonalds do there best to clear up rubbish that other lazy people can not be bothered to dispose of themselves. People should be ashamed of themselves.

Wendy
Wollaton, Nottingham

I used to take pot shots at pigeons. Then we got to know each other. Now I love them. In exchange for their wonderful friendship, I forgive them their shortcomings and they forgive me mine. Many people would not exist today were it not for the heroic deeds of pigeons. See what I mean at . And besides, exterminating or otherwise removing pigeons is typically the worst way to manage their populations. Go to to discover why.

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Dave Roth of the Urban Wildlife Society
Phoenix, Arizona, USA

Pigeon pie for all ! is what I say. Why not encourage Doves or birds of paradise to drive those pesky pigeons away ? At the very least spray paint them red and white to promote Nottingham Forest football club.

PAUL CAMPBELL
Nottingham, England

There are 32 species of pigeon in Nottingham alone. The 32nd was named after the famous carrier pigeon of the 1930's - joe "the flyer" - which was bred by the legendary pigeon fancier joe sinclair - my grandfather. You can order a stuffed lookalike of joe "the flyer" by mailing me. Act quick before they run out!!!

e-Mail:joe_sinclair3@hotmail.com

Joe Sinclair
Philadelphia, USA

and in reply ...

Are you really the grandson of the famous pigeon breeder? He has been my hero since I was a little girl - my father told me all about him and his breeding habits. He is my hero I have several pigeon magazines about him. Could you keep in touch with me it would be wonderful to meet you if you are ever passing Heanor Market Place or better still the Red Lion.

Gill Woodward
Heanor, Derbyshire

A few pigeons are ok, but the Old Market Square and other parts of the city have far too many. They should be controlled, just as deer are controlled in Wollaton Park. Also, the litter as well as the pigeon poo on the streets of Nottingham city centre is becoming a major problem. Fine people who drop litter and let's try and do a better job collecting what litter there is.

James West
Sheffield

Pigeons are harmless, they simply add character to the place. i've spoken to may people both in this country and abroad who have said 'you have pigeons? wow! i wish we had some round here!'. it isn't even the birds that are the problem, i'm sick of turning a corner and being asked if I want a big issue, or if I can spare a 'little change'. These are the problems with the city, not the pigeons. besides, who decides that we are to play god and get rid of the pigeons? imagine the government deciding that everyone round here are slobs and don't deserve to live here, and then they blow up the city. people would object!

Ashe
Sandiacre, Nottingham

The pigeons are a traditional part of Nottingham and have as much business there as humans do. We should learn to co-exist.

James
(Unknown location)

I'm glad that, so far, my life isn't being discussed by some folks who think that bird life should be varied to suit their whim! The pidgeons have been in the square for longer than we have, so maybe it should be they who should be discussing whether we filthy litter louts with not much between our ears sometimes, should be allowed to "run the assylum!"

Geoff Bowers
Nottingham

I am responcible for a factory in nottinham, this year Pigeons have invested the building, the cost of removal, and treating the roof space with insectacide to remove investations, was 拢2500, the Pigeon is a health risk, and should be culled, Many areas of the city are covered in droppings, also the old toll bridge at Wilford is a major roosting site, it all adds up to a danger to health and the mess made costs a fortune to clean up. However we must also include the canadian goose which has turned the Trent Embankment into a sea of bird droppings,this is compounded by public feeding the birds, these should also be reduced in numbers.

Chris Shaw
Nottingham

I understand that in many American cities it has been possible to encourage birds of prey to settle in the city centres and keep the pigeon populations under control. This would tend to remove the sick and injured birds and be a cheaper more humane alternative to shooting.

Michael Holding
Radcliffe on Trent

TO GO TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY I HAVE TO WAIT IN THE SQUARE FOR MY BUS, WHILST I'M WAITING I SOMETIMES WATCH THE PIGEONS, THERE ARE GENERALLY TOO MANY TO WATCH SO I USUALLY GET A HEAD ACHE WHEN I TRY TO LOOK 2 WAYS AT ONCE. I HAVE ALSO ALMOST TRIPPED OVER A PIGEON COUNTLESS TIMES AND I THINK THEY KNOW WHEN I'M COMMING AS THEY ALWAYS TAKE FLIGHT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME, MYFRIEN ONCE GOT HIT IN THE ARM TO MY GREAT ENJOYMENT, BUT NOT TO HIS. I THERE THINK THAT THE PIGEONS ARE PART OF NOTTINGHAM BUT THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY AND THERE SHOULD BE FAR LESS.

Nick H
Nottingham

I HATE all kinds of birds. And i think thet all the pigeons in the city centre should be KILLED. I dont care if its cruel just get ride of them all!!!!!!

Martin
Carlton, Nottingham

In short there should be exterminated from the skies, however this will probably amount to cruelty and someone is bound to want to sue someone else about it. I was in the understanding that measures were underway to limit the birds genetically, could anyone clarify how far has this been completed. Get rid I say.

Chris
Hucknall

I hate them! I have been traumatised by them ever since I have been swooped on by one in the Market Square (and screamed so loud I think that I damaged the clock!!). Then when I was in Beeston (another place plagued by them!) I was hit in the back by one! If they can't even see where to fly... they should be got rid of! I say that all the people who suggest killing them are right! The others... have never been attacked by them!!!

Clare ... do I really sound that mad?!
Wollaton, Nottm.

Do what you want with the pigeons. But try and think about what is suitable: would the public aprove of a gunman in the town square? Let people feed them, they do no harm. The pigeons have to live somewhere and i think without the pigeons the market square would look strange. The need not be an attempted elimination of the pigeons, just a decrease of the population.

Miss Happy
Nottingham