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I have no problem with what people do to the pigeons, it is true that the problem needs to be delt with, and i'm sure someone will come up with a suitable plan eventually!

What really disgusts me is peoples views on Big Issue vendors and beggers! I moved to Hong Kong nine months ago and i personally miss reading the big issue.

Now a days it is so easy to become unemployed and homeless. People may believe all beggars are wasters (i personally do not agree) but how people can critisise Big Issue vendors is beyond me! At least they are selling something worthwhile and earning some money for themselves, what makes them all that different to outdoor evening post vendors? I used to regularly buy the Big Issue and found pretty much all vendors i bought from to be friendly and curtious (more so than many shop workers in Nottingham). They are all ready for an enjoyable chat, an activity in which i regualrly participated.

Perhaps we should address the problem of narrow minded bigotts who will fully support pigeons, but can't spare 80p for a fellow human and an enjoyable and informative read!

Fran
Hong Kong (ex-Nottingham)

Look, just ask the pigeons nicely and they'll leave. They're actually a pleasant bunch (flock?). I recently had the opportunity to talk with the animals and they are not adverse to living elsewhere, say the south of France or some other locale with good food. Believe me I know about that which I speak; they have many pigeons and green elephants here at the asylum.

Dr Doodoo
Little Toronto

I'm sick of pigeons, big issue sellers, and eletricity sellers. There all over the market square. Shoot the frigging lot of um!!!

Claire & Gray
Nottingham

Pigions are best reduced to mere possesion with air rifles or sling shots for those with more time to practice. .22 cal. is a better bird killer than the .177 pellet. Then cook up those birds in a pie crust and Yummy!!!!!

Chris
Portland, Maine

I don't even live in Nottingham and I'm appalled that anyone would consider just shooting all the pigeons! What kind of barbarian suggested that? If you want the pigeons gone, don't leave food and junk everywhere. Put trash in CLOSED garbage bins. OR trap them humanely and release them elsewhere. BUT, I can guarantee, they'd probably be back in the near future. We live on this planet with other species. Quit being selfish and accept it! It's THEIR earth too!

Celeste
USA

I believe that the right kind of pigeons can be a real bonus to a city centre. I propose trapping and removing all the feral pigeons who currently live in Nottingham City Centre. (By "removing" I really mean killing them, of course. But don't let's waste them. Casseroled pigeon is delicious!

Then replace the pigeons with pure white doves and house them in purpose built lofts on the city's rooftops. Just think how attractive these would be flying around Old Market Square. By keeping them in lofts surplus birds could be harvested for food as sold as "Robin Hood's Pigeon Pie" to tourists and locals alike.

Nicholas Silver
Nottingham

I thought the City Council Environmental Health already did have a policy of catching and poisoning birds. This is why there are a number of cage on roofs around the Market Square.

James
B

Every problem has a solution ! SO, does this ONE too. Killing would be a mercyless act ! Vote indivudually in every city, capture them and let em off in ani forests !!

Mohammed
luton , England

Y CANT PIGEON SHOOTING B OUR NATIONAL SPORT?WE'D B GUD AT IT AS WE COULD GET PLENTY OF PRACTISE,IT'D BRING PEOPLE 2 GETHER(BEING A FAMILY SPORT)AND THE WORLD WOULD B JUST AS IT SHOULD B! P.S A RAT POO'D ON ME, AND IT COULD HAPPEN TO U TOO!! STAY SAFE-B PIGEON FREE.

I AM NOT LIKING THE RATS!
NOTTS

Rats of the sky. Add them to the foot in mouth cull!! Lets be rid of them forever!!

Seth
Glasgow

Do you really want to live in a sterilized world, where the only things alive are those that we allow to breathe? Who made you god anyway?

Goldielocks
Nottingham

Rather than shoot the pigeons, Shoot the people that suggested it, if thats all they can think of as a solution to the problem.

Terry Drain
Nottingham

1. Read the question, " Should we kill all the pigeons?....what should we do with the pigeons?"

2. Think.

3. Plan your answer.

4. Review.

5. If you cannot spell, use a dictionary. If you think you can spell, but are not sure, get someone to proof read your response. If all else fails, use a spell checker.

6. Acknowledge that sentimentality plays no part when discussing a vermin (or any other) problem.

7. This is not a discussion about 'Speckled Jim'.

8. I agree with Isabel (near Nottingham), with respect to her affinity to (countryside, not town) Pigeon pie. Quite delicious! Lapin (rabbit) a la Moutarde (traditional Provencal recipe) is also fantastic.

9. Indeed, several educated people have aired their views most coherently, for both sides of the argument. The solution for control of over-population of a species, within any area, lies in establishing the point at which pigeon numbers have become a nuisance and are therefore detrimental to their own health and that of the local area.

10. The spread of disease, fouling, irritation and over-population are but some of the problems created by the pigeon population, but one must also acknowledge their place within the food chain and life. Therefore, a balance must be struck.

11. Therefore, address Nottingham Borough Council and establish, through the appropriate department, whether the pigeon population is considered a nuisance. Then, if it is, implement positive control through licensed hunting, whether through falconry or an air rifle, but not trapping or poisoning.

12. I was intrigued to read Minmin's (Singapore) views on controlling pigeons: gassing. Exactly how do you gas a flock of 1000 birds within a residential and commercial area, whilst remaining within the Geneva Convention?

13. Thank you, David (Nottingham) for pointing out that the individual who insists on feeding the Wollaton Park pigeons is in contempt of a Court Order banning him from doing this. Your point about the deer and the proximity of the children's play area is equally valid. Perhaps the Editor should focus on these issues.

14. Now is the perfect time for a licensed cull within the confines of Wollaton Park, as it is closed.

15. How about a debate on fox hunting?

Steve
Wollaton Park

Maybe we could solve two problems at once.why dont the big issue sellers sell poison feed say 拢1 a bag.then we can solve the homless problem and reduce the flying rat problem in one go. Also we could then hire the unemployed to dress as pigeons and sit on nearby roofs to give back that old towne feeling!!.the result full employment and clean streets

Adam
Nottingham

What is wrong with you people, Do any of you realize what benefits pigions were is saving lives during wars, bye carring messages over enemey lines.

Yes they were the commom pigions that inhabit are city parks. You people want to get rid of these are the same people who through your leftovers on the grounds and make hanging around city parks an easy life.

Stop feeding these birds and they will eventually lessen in numbers. So eat all your popcorn bread and scraps. Don't feed these wonderful birds.. By the way i have about 75 of these birds and race then every summer.

they are truly the greatest endurance athletes on the face of the earth.

Ed Tamborra
franklin ct.

Kill them they are vermon i am sick of seeing pigeon s--t all over mansfield you can,t eat on market on saturdays trhey are all over they spread disease

Ralph Danby
Mansfield

I think they have the right to be in Nottingham as much as we have. And if we stopped dumping litter and food they would go else where in the UK or the world.

Adam Osborne
Giltbrook

What about all the diseases humans carry!!!!!!!!!! think about that for a while!!

Claire
Newark

1. Pigeon droppings are known to carry or transmit such diseases as pigeon ornithosis, encephalitis, Newcastle disease, cryptococcosis, toxoplasmosis, salmonella and histoplasmosis. The latter is a systemic fungal disease that can infect humans through airborne spores resulting from pigeon fecal matter. Infections from histoplasmosis may occur in the lungs, liver, spleen and the central nervous system.
2. Pigeons eat the aggregate/stone from asphalt roofing decreasing the life of the roof dramatically, roofs deteriorate up to 80% faster when pigeons eat the shingle stone.
3. Pigeons will eat the feces of other birds such as starlings... GROSS!.
4. Pigeons can sh_t so much as to completely fill and clog a roofs gutters. try cleaning that out!
5. Vacant unwanted buildings needed to be demolished cannot because of the high price of disposing of the "toxic" pigeon droppings inside them. who says pigeon droppings aren't considered toxic waste?

N.A.D.
Provincetown, MA - USA

I lived near Nottingham, I'm now in London and Nottingham pigeons annoy me just as much as London pigeons. I think we should just take a vote in the offending cities, the results would show without a shadow of a doubt, that city pigeons should be exterminated. I accept the point about us having used carrier pigeons for communication in the past but have you seen Trafalgar Square lately. The pigeons there are carrying so much extra baggage that the most they can manage is a brief lift-off to get away from me when I shout at them, let alone carry a message to another part of the country.

Rupert Merryweather
London, England

Killing pigeons is NOT the answer. It has been tried before and it DOES NOT WORK. However, there are more successful ways to control the pigeon population.

Read about the Basel experiment at to learn about a method that WORKS. For those of you who argue that pigeons are worthless - you are wrong, wrong, wrong.

Homing pigeons have been used for thousands of years for communication. Pigeons were awarded medals for bravery during the World Wars. Pigeons are highly intelligent, loyal, and gentle. And despite all the paranoia about pigeons spreading disease (rumors disseminated by pest control services and a gullible press), the likelihood of this actually occurring is slim to none. .

I could go on and on, but I probably won't change any pigeon-hater's mind. If you care enough to educate yourself, there are plenty of Internet sites and books on pigeons. I understand your desire to reduce an overwhelming pigeon population, but killing has never been shown to be effective.

Jennifer
Austin, Texas, USA

If anyone needs convincing about the danger of pigeons, they should visit Wollaton Park, where a resident regularly feeds them in defiance of a Court Order which bans him from doing this. Apart from the mess caused by around one thousand of these dreadful birds, the feed attracts deer, which have become quite hostile to people using this part of the park. The proximity to a children's play area is an even greater worry, and it would seem to be only a matter of time before someone is injured by an aggressive deer.

David
Nottingham

NO!! the pigeons have been here longer than any of us, they should be left alone. There is a far worse problem in nottingham..mindless idiots..drug addicts sharing infected needles spreading aids and anything else they might have..I think the humans should be culled, we are already over populated!!

Claire
Newark

Pigeon's are filthy, But there is a bigger problem in Mansfield with THE RATS.running up and down alley ways around town more are seen between m/s and woolworths. SO WHAT IS GOING TOO BE DONE

Tony Location
Warsop

We are law abiding pigeons living in Nottingham. As we are not wanted in the Square we were invited by our relations to join them in Mansfield, the have now told us they are also being evicted, could anyone offer us a new home?

Prudence Pigeon
Nottingham

Shoot em all, make pigeon pies and feed all the down & outs in the city centres.

Graham
Leicester

To kill two birds with one arrow, to coin a phrase, why not institute a 'Robin Hood' day pigeon hunt. Participants to use only bows and arrows. Could also try to get into the Guiness Book of Records by having the world's largest pigeon pie.

Robin Hood
Ex-Nottinghamshire

NO!! the pigeons have been here longer than any of us, they should be left alone. There is a far worse problem in nottingham..mindless idiots..drug addicts sharing infected needles spreading aids and anything else they might have..I think the humans should be culled, we are already over populated!!

Claire
Newark

Eek! An awful pest when they fly up in front of your face. Their waste makes some areas absolutely revolting. Get rid of the majority, but not all. And to those people that feed the pidgeons STOP! It makes the situation worse.

Robert Thorpe
Toton, Nottingham

Feed them and eat them that's the solution.

Paul Mason
Mansfield Woodhouse

Rats with wings and good press. They are disease ridden vermin. If the cities had thousands of rats running all over the place, would half of these comments be as sympathetic? The simple answer to reduce their numbers, is to pick up your litter, as discarded McDonalds and Chips seem to be their diet.

John
Birmingham

Why would anyone want to kill a pigeon.

Jerry
creal springs, IL USA

KEEP THE PIGEONS! or at least just kill some to control the population. The pigeons have been around longer than most of us so we cant just wipe them out because there an inconvenience.

Edna Bucket
Valleta, Malta

Numbers should be controlled humanely, pigeons are like flying rats and make a mess of our beautiful city. I also believe that a total ban on the public feeding these creatures should be imposed as they are already fully equipped to thrive in the city environment.

Dan
Nottingham

I am a pigeon lover but I do think that the situation is getting a bit out of control. Shooting is a bit impractical- what if you hit a Notts citizen instead? Probably the best idea is introducing a natural predator- but imagine finding half-eaten bits of podgy pigeon everywhere. Yuk!!!!!

Andie
Nottingham

Why do people always think that they have a right to kill. Pigeons have a right to live, just as we have. Who says we have more right to live than the humble pigeon, only some people who THINK they are more intelegent. Pigeons don't fight wars, mug, murder, rob or kill other species because they make a mess, where they live.

Jon
Nottingham

I think the pigeons should be gassed~ At least it's a painless and fast way for them to die. Basically, it's not exactly very hygienic to have pigeon poo all over the place. It not only looks downright disgusting but also damages historical structures and pieces of art. Also, having waste matter lining the streets is very, very unhygienic. To all those who find pigeons cute and think they have the right to live, you probably won't think so anymore after your loved ones get struck down by horrible pigeon-related illnesses. Besides, what about the scraps of food left behind after feeding the pigeons? They are litter and all these can further attract pests like rats and cockroaches. So if you like pigeons, go ahead and buy one for yourself and please... keep them in a cage!

Minmin
Singapore

We should NEVER cull pigeons, why do we think we have a right to kill them? they too have a right to live. They do not cause that much harm that we have to end thier lives. Do we cull dogs for dirtying the pavements, no, because thier fury and cute, pideons are no different.

Jon
West Bridgford, Nottingham