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12th
August 2002
Movin
Im movin 2 notts very soon, my boyfriend lives there. By what I can
gather from him, there is a few rough areas but there are many pleasant
areas. He's run into some trouble in town etc. I personally think
that notts is just the same as any other big city they have the same
problems. I live in southampton and the things that I have read are
just as bad as the things that I know about that have happened here
in southampton. I am still goin to move to notts u cant run forever
the world is changing and we have to deal with it!
Sarah
Southampton |
10th
August 2002
Nottingham The Best/worst
Being a Nottingham lad who moved to Yorkshire in 1985 at the age of
27, I feel qualified to comment on the state of crime in Nottingham.
I visit family almost weekly and still go to all the Matches at the
City Ground. I can honestly say that I do not feel safe in parts of
Nottingham i.e Aspley, Meadows & Sneinton and Hyson Geen. Near my
mothers house a stolen car is being used for joy riding daily and
then regularly burnt out. What do the police do "nothing" despite
being called straight away, if they came out they would catch the
criminals and put an end to it. The Police in Nottingham may be understrenght
but to turn a blind eye to theft and minor muggings is past a joke
and leaves me to think the lunitics are running the asylum. I accept
that the area I now live is far from perfect but I am ashamed of the
City I love and of the Council that allow it to deteriate and be left
to the criminals who now contol and dictate to the long suffering
and law abiding majority.
John
Doncaster |
9th
August 2002
Imagine A Better World (Try Harder)
I hardly know where to begin to reply to the frothy howls of outrage
that masquerade as responses to my posting, but as certain people
(most markedly Andrew, and especially AW) have descended to a form
of intellectual willy-waving, I'll indulge those bigots first. I rarely
listen to the 'certain radio station' by choice; it is the preference
of my car-sharer. My personal listening choice is Radio 4. AW accuses
me of being uninformed and a bigot, of believing 'informed' people
to be liars, and invites me to imagine what these 'informed' people
(implicitly including himself within that group with the word 'we')
think of my opinions. Speaking as someone with 10 GCSE's (6 at grade
A), 4 'A' levels, a 2:1 BA(Hons) degree and a high-level job working
within public transport (hence 'The Insider'), I find myself wondering
which of us can most justifiably claim the h! igh ground on experience,
intelligence and access to relevant information. I don't like to descend
to this level of childishness, but perhaps this is the level required
to communicate effectively with the likes of AW, since he/she brought
this argument to the level of personal abuse without provocation from
me. We can at least find common ground in disliking the US administration's
arrogance as regards their global impact, though I've noticed that
it coincides with a lot of US government money going into fuel cell
development. I do not support the unrestricted growth in the use of
fossil-fuel-burning cars, I'm looking to a future where cars do not
pollute at all (and the argument regarding the electrical/pollution
costs of producing hydrogen is invalid, as trams incur the same penalties,
and once nuclear/renewable sources are used for power generation,
neither the tram nor the fuel cell will be a polluter) Given these
facts, perhaps Jim from Beeston would like to revise h! is 'road lobby'
label, I'm afraid you can't dismiss me so easily, and I can assure
you I'm no friend of the oil companies or garages. On the subject
of bendybuses – I’m well aware of the benefits to the disabled etc.
but which is more sensible – a £600,000 bus, or educating the able-bodied
to walk upstairs? Moving on to other arguments raised in objection,
I really can't see how anyone can claim that the disruption caused
by the installation of a trackless system can be anything like as
bad as a tracked one, particularly bearing in mind that systems exist
that require nothing more than overhead cabling and a line painted
on the road for the tram's computers to follow (thus eliminating the
'lining up at stops' argument). Modern trolleybuses are not unpopular
nor a failure, nor are they found only in Nancy. Trials in San Francisco
and Seattle show a 10-15% increase in use over other forms of transport.
They are also run successfully in a great many European cities. Normal!
braking distances in dry conditions are comparable between trams and
trolleys, at around 1.5m/s/s (using regenerative braking in both cases)
So far I can't find figures for wet braking (I suspect the trolleys
would win on that score), nor can I find emergency braking comparison
figures (I know trams use regenerative plus magnetic braking to increase
braking force to 3.0m/s/s in an emergency, but how effective would
this be over a trolley's regenerative plus conventional braking? You
may be interested to know that the braking speed of a car is far better
than that of a tram or a trolleybus, a BMW brakes at 9.8m/s/s, for
example. A number of responses criticised my comments that envisaged
more car use in a fuel cell era. Some seemed confused, talking about
pollution, which is invalid here. Others mentioned the impact of building
more roads. Would roads really be such a bad thing when the vehicles
travelling on them don't pollute and travel quietly? This leaves the
issue ! of road accidents. While road deaths are tragic, people really
have to get to grips with the idea of risk assessment and acceptable
losses. Car accidents account for 0.03% of all deaths in the UK, and
the government makes an obscene amount of money from measures to reduce
this figure (e.g. speed cameras), while smoking is attributable to
25% of all deaths, and the government does very little to reduce this
figure and makes £millions in the process through taxation. Given
this verifiable fact, where do you think the government's concerns
lie? Civic responsibility or moneymaking? Bearing that in mind, do
you think you should swallow their vague or unqualified assertions
regarding what's best for you (in any matter, including transport)
without checking it out first? Having said that, let me clarify the
'better world' that I 'imagine'. The doubling of the number of cars
is an unlikely maximum figure. Even if it did double by 2030 (and
remember it would go no higher), it! would not be difficult to accommodate
the increase on an upgraded inter-city road network (yes, widening
the motorways or even making them multi-storey). Within urban areas
themselves, that's a different story. Cities will require either an
unfeasible re-working of their road system (demolition on a massive
scale), or a massive park and ride scheme with good public transport
in-between. Naturally, the latter is the sensible answer. Complementing
this would be dispersed indoor shopping centres on major routes, allowing
fast direct access by public transport or car. If public transport
is good enough, cities will do well. If people find it easier to go
to a Meadow hall-like centres, they will thrive at the expensive of
cities, affecting a shift in the whole way people choose to live and
shop, and where they choose to live. Clustering in Cities may become
redundant and people could get back to living in a more rural environment
(AW: if you think living in a city is so g! reat, take a look at the
'Nottingham Best City?' Speak out topic, and see what people really
think), and since population density would be lower and more even
across the UK, there would be no need to 'tarmac the greenbelt'. The
argument regarding the variety of shops in Meadow hall seems misguided
to me... small shops and companies have their place even in Meadow
hall - have you been there? Have you seen The Lanes? Also bear in
mind that the number of road journeys should see some decline as more
people work from home, coinciding with the fall of primary and secondary
industries, and the rise of tertiary ones. Industry has been slow
to catch on, but there's little need to drive to the office every
day if you have a PC and an internet connection. The number of road
journeys undertaken per year is not totally independent of the percentage
of car ownership, though it has increased disproportionately, and
school runs are a major factor in this. The solution to this is more
o! f a social and policing matter - kids travel in cars because parents
worry about safety. Until they feel safe on the streets, you can throw
trams at the problem until you're blue in the face, the kids are still
going to travel by RAV4. In conclusion, I believe the answer is to
improve roads in cities where practical, massively invest in good
public transport in those areas, to undertake an enormous overhaul
of the motorway network, to build more out-of-town developments and
to improve policing in urban areas. The rest will take care of itself.
I don't think the tram is a bad idea per se, but the route is of limited
use and trolleybuses would have been far superior, and an improved
bus service even better. I also think that the trend for demonising
car use may get out of hand, and that lack of investment in road systems
is probably short-sighted. And finally, to all those who reduce these
discussions to emotional slanging matches, remember that hitting your
opponent wit! h the chessboard does not make you the better player.
The Insider
Nottingham |
9th
August 2002
Reply to Sandy
I was born in Nottingham also Sandy......SO WHAT? If I ever felt so
strongly that I had to state in the public domain that Nottingham
was a "horrible place to live" I personally would leave for pastures
greener ASAP I repeat what i said before, your comment does more harm
than good by being non-constructive, why not say "I feel Nottingham
is a horrible place to live BUT I would like to help make it the best
City to live in" anyway no offence was meant.....anyone wishing to
contact their MP can now do so FOR FREE at the following web site
www.faxyourmp.com...its your voice,make it count.....don't shoot the
messenger
Gary
NG4 |
8th
August 2002
REPLY TO JAMES
YOU LOT go on WWW.UPMYSTREET.COM COMPARE NOTTINGHAMS CRIME TO MANCHESTERS
AND IT WILL SHOW YOU THAT NOTTINGHAM IS MORE VIOLENT THAN MANCHESTER
PER 1000 PEOPLE.DO NOT EVEN CLAIM THAT LEEDS HAS GOT MORE CRIME THAN
NOTTINGHAM YOU WOULD PREFERE TO LIVE HAREHILLS OR CHAPEL TOWN THAN
ST ANNES ,MEADOWS,BOBBERSMILL,SNEINTON,BESTWOOD,BROXTOWE,RADFORD,BULWELL
HALL ETC TRUST ME
MAX
CITY OF NOTTINGHAM |
8th
August 2002
Reply to gary NG4
could you please expalin how my point makes things worse The problem
with many recent points on the board is it is all doom and gloom.
I would even go as far as suggesting certain people would rather live
in Beriut, Palestine or Afganistahn than here. Imagine someone reading
these points and wondering whether to move here? They see all the
negative points over emphasised and how bad it is over other cities
when it clearly isn't. They instead move elsewhere. Confidence in
Nottingham as being a good place to be falls. Property prices fall.
Compainies and investment decide not to come, jobs are lost and not
replaced. No one cares any more. The city ends up being left to the
criminals. Don't you think a far better attitude is what are _we_
going to do about it? I doubt my view would get published if I suggested
radical solutions, but you and I are tax payers and voters, and we
are not going to stand for criminals, those who slip the justice net
(like a certain youth in the news recently) and those who think they
are untouchable. We want something done and authorities using comparisons
to other cities isn't good enough, they can deal with their own problems.
We want Nottingham's elected officials to deal with Nottingham's main
problems and right now they are crime and education (3 schools here
are almost bottom of the league, that's beyond coincidence).
David
Nottingham |
8th
August 2002
Reply to gary NG4
My comment was my opinion which u seem to slate! I was born in Nottingham
i am not moving else where, could you please expalin how my point
makes things worse? I'm letting other people know exactly how i feel....hey
why don't you shoot me for it!
Sandy Rowden
Nottingham |
8th
August 2002
Its Not Only Notingham
In my job of work I have the chance to travel quite extensively around
the country & i can tell you that Nottingham isn't alone in suffering
this wave of lawlessness, its pretty much endemic wherever you go.
Speaky totally for myself (probably out of the top of my head) I personnaly
blame the total breakdown of any form of discipline within society:
Parents can't smack children Teachers can't smack children Police
officers can't smack children Child grows up with the attitude that
it can do whatever it pleases without fear of recrimination, child
turns into an adult with the same ethos. Until we return to a society
where people learn to take responsibility for their actions or face
being made to take responsibility, little i fear will change
Gary
NG4 |
8th
August 2002
Nottingham Crime
Again I would say that yobs and crime seem unfortunately to be endemic
in every city in our country. I assure you everything that has been
said here rings true for everywhere I have lived. Hull apparently
is the drug/teenage pregnancy capital of Europe and you cannot venture
into Leeds city centre without been harrassed mercilessly by hoards
of marauding smack-heads, BI Sellars, beggars and yobs in shell suits.
Leeds/West Yorks is also by far and away the worst region for burgalries.
As for Manchester, well it has undoubtedly the highest incidence of
violent crime outside inner London. Moss Side and Longsight are notorious
for drive-by shootings and gang violence. Crime probably is terrible
in Nottingham, but I promise you, it's no better elsewhere. Leeds
is rotten to the core with criminals.
James
Leeds |
8th
August 2002
Nottingham not so bad
I have lived in London for most of my life. I have been to Nottingham
for a while and will be going to University in Nottingham, and I dont
find it so bad. It is probally just because I live in London and the
streets are 20 times dirtier and the crime is 40 times worse. The
fact that the man who started the messages said that, he has lived
in Nottingham for 5 years, and only his friend has been mugged, means
that it really isn't as bad as it could be. There will always be violence,
and trouble as long as hard drugs are involved, where ever you go
in England. You just have to live your life by a few rules to keep
yourself safe. 1. Your saftey is your prime concern over your possesions.
2. Keep your temper and try not to start arguments with people you
don't know. Even if they aren't that bad their friends or family might
be. 3. Be careful where people and alcohol are involved, because people
become agressive under the effects of alcohol. 4. Stay away from hard
drugs. Many times have I seen people kidnapped and killed over drugs.
The sad thing is in my short 18 years of life, I have seen all of
this all to frequently and it is a shame that you have to be so cautious,
it shows that the county isn't in a particualry good state, however,
I just feel that of all the citys I have spent long periods of time
in, Nottingham is one of the best, as unfortunate as that may seem.
Anon
London, England |
8th
August 2002
What can be done?
The thing is, if it wasn't for the over-wealming amount of crime in
Nottingham, it would actually be one of the best cities in the world.
The City Centre is very moderen but manages to maintain it's historic
feel too. Also, I've travelled all over the United Kingdon and can
honestly say that Nottingham women are the best looking in the UK.
However, we are faced with a crime epidemic fulled by a huge increase
in crack-cocaine use. Politicans predicted in the 90's that the UK
would experince a huge rise in crime due to cocaine being smuggled
in. But this never really happend as the crime-rate remained steady
throughout most of the 90's. Different story now though, there's been
a huge crime explosion and Nottingham is in the Center of it. Tony
Blair said he'd have street-crime under control by the end of September,
slightly optimistic I feel, given that he doesn't really care about
issues at home (seemingly). I heard one of the topics discussed by
the Labour Goverment was the possible use of Ex SAS members entering
housing estates to route out the gang members. This certainly has
my backing. The gangs wouldn't dare come onto the street and would
be stuck in their homes like many of their victims. We send peace
keepers to areas around the world all the time - they should be used
on our own streets. On the positive side, things can hardly get any
worse in Nottingham. Can they?.............
Mr Petal
The Bronx, Nottingham |
7th
August 2002
Nottingham is the best City in the World. Yeah, right.
I've lived in some of the worst, and some of the 'best' areas of Nottingham
in the 5 years or so that I've lived here. Let me paint a picture
for you: Facts: Someone is shot pretty much every week. Hard drug
use is rife, as is the crime that goes with it. Beggars are everywhere,
many are intimidating and some can be dangerous. Crime of every sort
is pretty much the worst you can find outside London. While the nightlife
is excellent, the scum that come out at night are downright dangerous.
My Experience I have personally been a victim of serious intimidation,
robbery, car theft and vandalism (seperate occasions). A friend of
mine has been threatened at knifepoint and robbed (a number of times),
and also glassed. Another friend of mine was mugged in broad daylight
on a main road with witnesses. Another friend of mine recently witnessed
a man literally blown away by shotgun outside his place of work (in
broad daylight). Another friend of mine saw (from a pub window) a
man beaten to death by a gang armed with baseball bats, after having
chased him on foot for over 2 miles). A guy was shot and killed just
down the road from me within the last month. A colleague of mine was
returning from a night out when he was thrown down some subway steps
and left unconcious - just for the fun of it (they didn't rob him).
Within the last few weeks a mini gang war erupted in the busy city
centre at 4.00pm! In some areas of the city I allow other drivers
to carve me up without complaint becau! se! I know from experience
that their reaction can be extremely dangerous. Every day there is
a new crop of burned out cars somewhere, I hear helicopters circling
the City regularly at night, and when I drive to work in the morning,
passing the world's best speed camera technology on roads choked to
death by the congestion caused by the ridiculous tram project, the
local radio station repeats to me every 10 minutes or so, in a Joseph
Goebbels-inspired mantra, "Nottingham - The world's best city" The
day I believe it is the day I top myself. Welcome to Delta City, folks.
The Insider
One of Nottingham's Hell-holes |
7th
August 2002
Rubbish!!
The reason the streets are so dirty is that the council won't spend
the money on keeping them clean, preffering to spend OUR money on
things like the much vaunted tram system, companies it buys losing
millions & a racially discriminatory election to take place shortly!!
Question, Why can't a white person vote for a black candidate?
Gary
NG4 |
|
6th
August 2002
Is
Nottingham the best city in the country?
I have lived in Nottingham all my life, in what can be referred
to as the 'nice' area. I am disgusted by the state of Nottingham
at present. The roads are littered with rubbish that uncooth people
have dropped and the crime rate compared to other cities is out
of control. No-one can deny that we are the most violent city outside
London. Does nobody care that their streets are dirty, graffiti
is everwhere and yobs mug vulnerable 91 year old ladies? I feel
quite saddened that this is the state of Nottingham, and in fact
Britain today. When I travelled around Austrailia and America I
was shocked at how clen these places were...even in Britain, Cambridge
and Durham don't have a bad litter problem like Nottingham. I am
moving away in September and I can't wait. O.k so we have good clubs,
pubs, shops etc but what good is this when people are scared to
! wa! lk the streets. I recently found myself in Sneinton and it
has to be the most disgusting place I have ever seen. In broad daylight
I feared for my safety..and valuables. What has the world come to.
I am only 20 but I feel sickened by the state of our city.
Esther
Nottingham
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reply 6th August 2002
Nottingham Crime
I think it's quite sad so many people have such a downer on Nottingham.
I have visited twice recently and generally my experience was positive.
With regards to yobs and crime, well unfortunately that's life in
todays Britain. It's the same in every town and city up and down
the country from Aberdeen to Plymouth. They're all just as bad.
James
Leeds
and
in reply...
im sorry but
nottingham is not just like every town or city is crime is worse
and thats just fact. an 11 year old boy getting gunned down or a
rival gang brawl outside nottinghams busiest street does not happen
in aberdeen or plmouth or leeds tust me
max
city of nottingham
|
5th
August 2002
Nottingham Crime
I would be interested to know if there is anyone 'in authority' reading
these comments. If so, what are your reactions to the concerns of
these people? It is no use comparing Nottingham to other cities in
the UK, as the previous leader of the Council did when I tackled him
at a debate recently. We are not interested in other cities' problems
- we look to the council and the police to address the very real problems
Nottingham has. I have visited many cities, particularly in the States,
and places like New York, Boston, San Francisco,Los Angeles, whilst
they do have unsafe areas,are much more pleasant places to be, especially
at night, than Nottingham city centre. Why are we content in this
country to put up with unacceptable behaviour?
Lynda
Nottingham |
|
3rd
August 2002
Crime in Nottingham
I think Nottingham is a horrible place to live, the daft thing is
its only a couple of drugged up rastafarian boy gangs ruining this
city, if the police or the law changed to give harsher punishments
to these yobs when they're caught to make a show of them, maybe
things would improve, I wouldnt want to walk into the City Centre
at night and i make sure i stay away from St.anns, radford, the
meadows etc at every cost, after all once you go in these estates
you may never come out....harsh words but very very true!
Sandy Rowden
Nottingham
in reply
3rd August 2002
Leave Then
If it's so bad Sandy, LEAVE. Comments like that do more harm than
good as they are in no way constructive, things won't get better
until WE START MAKING PEOPLE IN AUTHORITY TAKE NOTICE OF WHAT WE
HAVE TO SAY, you can start by writing to your local MP c/o the Houses
of Parliament telling him / her / it that you will not be voting
for them again unless they start lobbying the secretary of state
for more funding of real police officers on the beat, 1 person writing
will do nothing but if they received maybe 2-3 thousand letters
they would have to take notice, go on try it
Gary
NG4
|
3rd
August 2002
Notts Police
I live in the Center of Nottingham (near St Anns) and can safely say
it's one of the worst places you could ever imagine living in. This
s**t-hole of a City is a typical example of "Yob culture" in Britian
today. Potential Visitors: I advise you not to come to this City,
it will leave a bad taste in your mouth, and possibly taint your view
on the whole of the UK - yes, it's that bad. What can be so attractive
about a city that has so many run-down housing estates. What's so
pleasent about seeing kids running around in the street in nappies
whilst thier (single) mums are getting it ... by a bunch of mis-educated
and generally mis-guided, young thugs. The gun crime is pretty bad,
but the recent shootings in Radford don't scare me as they seem drug-realted
or 'black on black' crimes. The real scary crimes are committed by
desperate crack heads who will use almost any means imagineable to
get cash for their next fix. The City Council do nothing, all they
care about is building a sodding Tram Line. A Friday or Saturday night
out is dangerous aswell, the probablity of getting smacked in the
face or glassed for minding your own business is, lets just say, high.
People who say Nottingham is nice place to live must be under-cover
members of the City Council as I can tell any potential visitor, it
definately is not.
Mr Petal
The Bronx, Nottingham. |
2nd
August 2002
helicopters!! over nottingham
yesterday i noticed a few helicopters flying over nottingham and out
over carlton way. to be expected of course for the queens visit naturally
security should be tightened up on such a visit (maybe they should
think closer to home then no egg incident!) but more importantly i
have noticed the helicopters on nights previous and also two helicopters
flying over and around the carlton area tonight? i cant belive for
one minute that it is the police ? if it is then this is not mearly
a routine scout round for a police helicopter?? we have a "real" problem
in this town people.
Matt
nottingham |
2nd
August 2002
Nottingham
Being 16 and recently coming back from a month in America visiting
friends, I realise that the only problem with Nottingham is us! We
are distroying it with our litter and 'gangs'. ! When I went to New
York and Boston I thought it was great, but I'm sure the people living
there don't think so!
The concerned future!
Nottingham |
2nd
August 2002
Is Nottm the best?
Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading about the city where I was born
and spent the first eighteen years of my life. I live in B.C. Canada
now and never have to think of such things happening to me here. It
sounds terrible and would scare anyone from moving there, too bad
because it was such a nice place to grow up in the forties and fifties.
What's the matter with people? Is it really that bad? I've been back
several times in the last few years and have never seen any problem.
You get beggars in any big city from my experience, they didn't bother
me at all when I walked around the city centre last year, I just ignored
them. After hearing all this stuff and being told by my relatives
of how it is, I was scared to walk the streets to explore where I
had grown up, very sad indeed!
Judith
Winfield, British Columbia, Canada. |
|
2nd
August 2002
Moving to Nottingham
I
come from one of the nicest cities in the world, Vancouver, Canada.
I married a girl from Derbyshire and now are thinking of moving
to Nottingham. I am worried about the crime everyone has commented
on and have heard some of the possible measures to fight back. It
seems to me that your city is just like any other city for its size.
It will never be the city most of you remember because the world
is nothing the way it was before. As an objective observer, I believe
you STILL have a gem of a city and we can't wait to move there.
What are the "leafy nice" areas of the city. We get the point about
the crime situation, we just want to have an idea of niceish areas.
Are the bike routes as good as everyone says they are? Thanks, Steven
and Alison
Steven
Vancouver, Canada
1st August 2002
moving to Nottingham
What a load of rubbish - fancy telling people not to move here!
Do you actually KNOW anyone who's been shot? Or seen a bad incident?
Do you think they are really RANDOM attacks? I don't. These people
know each other and have a score to settle. I feel perfectly safe
walking down the streets. I live off Carlton Road. NG3. Rough? I
don't think so. Far from it. Nottingham is the best place to live
in thew whole country - everything on your doorstep whether you
need it or not. Nightlife, cafes, theatre, concerts, cricket, football,
ice skating, shops, beautiful countryside within ten minutes' drive,
a lovely river setting, city parks, wonderful architecture, booming
business, plentiful housing, public services that are second-to-none,
excellent transport links and lots of jobs for those who want them.
Get real you e-mailers. I can't believe you're scared.
Mike
Nottingham - we love it
in reply
1st
August 2002
Nottingham crime
It's not a question of being scared, Mike. No-one in their right
mind would let the pond-life of Nottingham frighten them! However,
people should not have to put up with the kind of behaviour which
appears to be so acceptable. On Friday and Saturday nights Nottingham
is like Dodge City and the council and police are either unable
or unwilling to deal with the low-life which inhabit it. Some of
us remember Nottingham when it was a really great place to live.
That was before they decimated it with ugly buildings (the Ice Arena
and the Corner House are prime examples), fair-grounds in the Square
(surely Goose Fair is sufficient?), beggars on every corner,ever-increasing
pubs (something there has never been a shortage of), a useless bus
service (the Dale service used to be second-to-none), a council
which hates motorists but, apart from a tram which will only be
used by a minority and! cycle paths (why do they assume we all have
a choice?, will not provide an alternative means of getting to work.
No,Mike, we are not frightened, just dispirited.
Lynda
Nottingham
1st
August 2002
moving to Nottingham
In reply to Mike. Take off your rose-tinted specs and wake up to
what's happening around you. The figures I've supplied are fact.
The use of guns and excess force in armed robberies has increased
dramatically in this city. I do actually know someone who was shot
at in an attempted armed robbery, fortunately they weren't hit.
The fact that a gun was used to attempt to rob a shop which probably
had, at the most, £40 in the till suggests a dangerous disregard
for life on the part of the attacker. The attacker knew his victim
? I think not. I've witnessed the aftermath of armed robberies,
I've seen burnt-out cars littering the streets, vandalism, fly-tipping.
I've been the victim of car crime and robbery. We are told that
drug culture leads to gun culture with drug crews fighting it out
over territory. On the periphery of this activity are the scumbags
who suddenly find they can get hold of guns easily and use them
to obtain whatever they want. Whether it's £40 from a shop till,
a car or takings from a taxi, the fact that there are scum out there
prepared to carry and use a gun to commit a crime is beyond belief.
More worryingly, this is where innocent people are being drawn in.
Scared ? Well, those that stand a chance of survival are the ones
that are scared, they are alert to their surroundings. The ones
that don't survive are those with their heads buried in the sand,
unaware of what's happening around them. Nottingham, the best place
to live in the whole country? What a joke. Make your choice Mike,
I know I have.
PhatDog
Nottingham
1st August 2002
mike . I live just off Carlton Hill Nottingham has to be one of
the unsafest areas in the country i know aleast 10 people in this
area who has been affected by crime I have had a knife pulled on
me by youths trying steal cars my car has been vandalised ,The area
is full yobs & thieves.The Police can,t cope
COLIN BEESON
bAKERSFIELD nottingham
|
1st
August 2002
nottingham crime
I would strongly advise those previous callers NOT to move to Nottingham.
Maria, there aren't any 'posh' areas. There are rough and fairly good
areas and that's it! You wouldn't want to live in the rough areas
and the good areas are always being burgled so Hobson's choice, really!The
council are only interested in the beggars and the 'ne'er do wells'
- as far as the rest of us are concerned, they could not care less
about the fact that we are struggling to get to work thru' the chaos
on the roads (do ALL the roads have to be repaired at the same time?),
that people are sick to death of the yob culture in the city, that
we are now to be charged for parking at work (assuming we actually
arrive in the mornings!), that Nottingham has become one of the ugliest
cities in Britain (must we have a fair in the Square every school
holiday?)- the list is endless. Maybe the council would like ! us
all to give up work and go on the dole - then we wouldn't have to
travel at all and could leave their precious city to the beggars and
drug additcts. Yes, Nottingham has good clubs etc but we always have
had - in the 60s there wasn't anywhere like it! But we could walk
home from the Boat Clubs at Trent Bridge in complete safety - now,
you'd be lucky to make it to the bus stop without being shot at or
having a glass stuck in your face just for looking at someone. There
is more to life than pubs and clubs - quality of life is more important
and there is none in Nottingham now.
Lynda Moran
Nottingham |
1st
August 2002
Nottingham - Crime
Once again we have another week of violence in Nottingham. After the
shootings on Friday we have people running around with an axe on a
saturday afternoon in Hockley. Isnt it time the police targeted the
trouble spots and implemented a thorough policy of 'stop and search'.
richard
Nottingham |
1st
August 2002
Zero Tolerance
I agree with Max and Mark on this one. I am astonished that we have
not tried Zero Tolerance policing in Nottingham. Crime is destroying
this city and yet both the City Council and the Government seem content
to stand back and let it happen. I have been to New York many times
in the last twenty years and I am amazed at the difference that ZT
has made. The place has lost none of its buzz but feels so much better.
ZT has allowed people to reclaim their neighbourhoods from the drug
dealers and hoods. No one is claiming that New York will ever be crime
free, but its a hell of a lot better.
Andrew
Nottingham - NG6 |
31st
July 2002
Road Safety
Don't you think its time we all spoke out against what this government
see's as being their no.1 crime target THE MOTORIST & insist that
more of OUR money is spent on getting the police back on the beat.
FACT the government will make ITRO £72,000,000 this year alone from
speed cameras fitted nationwide, while all around us communities descend
into crime ridden areas that come night fall become no go zones for
most law abiding citizens. Nottingham isn't as bad as it would appear
from reading these pages but unless somthing is done to stem the tide
of crime it soon will be, sadly this situation is an epidemic spreading
right across Britain but what punishment is there to deter any would
be felons, going back to my original point, lets stop making honest
folk into criminals for travelling at 33mph & plough any revenue raised
so far from this pathetic which hunt back into fighting REAL CRIME
Gary
NG4 |
31st
July 2002
Law and Order
The problem with law and order is that we don't have police walking
the beat like we used to. Our local police station usually has a small
fleet of vehicles outside, sometimes spilling into nearby streets.
They don't walk the beat and they won't even answer the door to the
police station (we know you're in there, there's half a dozen police
cars outside). We've seen kids in the lane smoking crack, cars outside
my house with the occupants openly smoking heroin and the odd stabbing.
Where is this? Sneinton? St Annes? No, this is the leafy suburb of
Wollaton.
Fred
Nottingham |
|
31st
July 2002
its never going to get better?
its never going to get better unless we adopt what new york did.The
truth of the matter is you cant blame the teachers of nottinghams
failing schools the kids have to be willing to learn.for example
i know for a fact that the high school gets pushy middle class kids
yet the teachers are no good but get good results while william
crane probaly have good teachers yet have nutters as pupils.Fact
is the police are losing the fight against the gangs and we ve got
to except it
max
city of nottingham
and Max has
support
31st
July 2002
Nottingham - crime city
I agree 100% with Max. The police, the government and the courts
need to adpot a zero tolerance attitude in order to win the war
against crime. I no longer live in Nottingham, but when I did, it
seemed to be far safer than it does now. I live in Liverpool, where
after 8pm, police AND securtiy guards patrol Merseyrail trains because
of continued vandalism, robberies and assaults. What kind of country
has this become? My friend is a teacher in a Liverpool school, and
he's been assaulted by a pupil. This is a common occurance in his
and probably many other schools around the UK. Nip it in the bud
at an early age, and stop letting people get away with murder, literally.
Mark
Crosby, Liverpool
|
31st
July 2002
Nottingham the best
Yo, Nottingham. Paid a visit to your town last fall. Neat place but
street crime, muggers, big issue hustlers, nasty bouncers, drunks,
yardies. I mean. Your place gave me the creeps. Much safer back home.
Dwayne Saint Joseph
The Bronx, New York |
|
31st
July 2002
moving to Nottingham soon
Hi I'm moving to Nottingham soon and was wondering if anyone could
advise me on the so called 'good' and 'bad' areas. I'm not bothered
about anywhere posh, I just want to avoid the crime ridden areas
xxx Maria
Maria
Leicester
in reply
31st
July 2002
moving to Nottingham soon
In reply to Maria My honest advice to you Maria is - don't move
to Nottingham. There are no good areas, crime has become endemic
here. Having a desirable postcode will not prevent you from being
shot at in the street or having your car taken from you while you
sit at traffic lights. It won't exclude you from being robbed at
gunpoint whilst sitting in your own home. It won't even prevent
the bumpers being stolen from your BMW parked on the drive. It won't
stop you being assaulted, mugged or even murdered on a night out.
Just to drive the point home, here are some crime figures for Nottingham
for the month of July. Let me add, these are figures for crime reported
in the local press alone. Gun related crime 14 Theft 7 Assault 5
Arson 4 Vandalism 3 Murder 2 I'm sorry to paint a black picture
but this is how it's become here. I'm thinking of moving to the
Bronx, it's safer there
PhatDog
Nottingham
|
30th
July 2002
Home is Nottingham
Love Nottingham, was born there in 1953, met and married another nottinghamite,
left in 83 for New Zealand, but i still call my home 'Nottingham',
bit disturbing to hear about all the crime, is it really that bad?
i'm coming over next week for a month's holliday so i guess i better
be on my guard!
julie B
Wellington New Zealand |
30th
July 2002
nottm. the best
NOTTINGHAM,LIKE ANY OTHER CITY,TOWN, OR VILLAGE THOUGHOUT THE WORLD
HAS GOT ITS SHARE OF YOBS, BEGGERS AND VIOLENT CRETTINGS.AND LIKE
OTHER UK AREA'S IT SUFFERS THE LACK OF SUPPORT OF THE COURTS.THE QUOTE
" THE LAW IS AN ASS" HAS NEVER BEEN SO TRUE. UNTILL THE POLICE COME
DOWN HEAVY ON THE LAW BREAKERS AND THE COURTS GIVE OUT STIFF SENTENCE'S
I CAN'T SEE THINGS GETTING ANY BETTER.CRIME IS'NT A LOCAL PROBLEM
ITS A WORLDWIDE ONE. NOTTINGHAM HAS ITS SHARE BUT LOOK ON THE POSITIVE
SIDE,LOOK WHAT THIS FINE CITY HAS TO OFFER,BOTH TO THE YOUNG AND OLDER
ALIKE.REMEMBER NO PLACE IS 100% SAFE.
RAYMONDO
nottingham |
30th
July 2002
Positive thinking 'extends life'
Nottingham used to be the best. I moved back 5 years ago. The last
3 years have seen the yardies and gangsta's getting away with murder,
increasing their no's of prostitutes and inspiring a new generation
to ruin their lives and those of others. Combined with that, overall
the locals seem to be sinking their aspirations to a 'low' culture
below and beyond even that of North Notts (I was brought up there).
St Anne's is a cancer spreading to all of its neighbours, I feel sorry
for the decent people living there. Yes the out of town morons coming
into Nottingham for a weekend booze-up never help, but they've been
staggering in for ages and they are mixed in with nice visitors. The
key is the kids, their horizons need broadening, but most of the schools
are so badly run and rendered powerless by PC (insights come from
temporary, middle-of-the road teachers), that drastic action is required
to restore discipline preferably before the next year's intake is
tainted. We can be the best again, but action is needed now, next
week and for years after. People need to take responsibility. The
council needs to take its head out of its backside, stop worrying
about politics or renaming black coffee, 'coffee without milk'(true
story: they don't like you if you ask for b**** coffee in council
meetings), and get on with improving life for *all* of us.
Bartleby
Nottingham |
30th
July 2002
Nottingham The Best
Lets not forget that we've still got all those lovely speed cameras
surely they should stop this outbreak of shootings, beatings, muggings,
car theft, & murders etc. This City needs to take a good look at it's
self especially the councillors who's blinkered vision of Nottingham
seems not to include any of the above. I fear it may get worse before
it gets better
Gary
NG4 |
29th
July 2002
Let's be careful out there.
I had the wildest dream on Sunday morning. I was in a post-apocalyptic
city where three people had been shot in five days, someone was killed
trying to get into a club and an axe-wielding maniac was on the loose.
Unfortunately it was no dream, it was my radio alarm waking me from
my slumber with the latest news from Nottingham. Have a safe week
everyone.
Pearce Frenum
NG2 |
29th
July 2002
Nottingham the best?
This is a joke, surely? Now we have reports of yet another shooting
this morning. What exactly is the City Council doing about the appalling
reputation this city has - increased crime rates, poor education record,
city full of beggars,a non-existent transport 'system' - the list
is endless! In other parts of the country, once derelict areas are
being 'gentrified' - in Nottingham, once decent areas are becoming
squalid, run-down and crime-ridden.
Lynda Moran
Nottingham |
29th
July 2002
No thanks!
I live in Lincoln, not Nottingham thank God. The only time Nottingham
is mentioned on East Midlands Today is regarding yet another shooting.
Do our Draconian firearms laws not apply in your fair city? I was
going to say I wouldn't be found dead in Nottingham, but on reflection,
the opposite is more likely!
Cavan Duval
Lincoln. England |
29th
July 2002
Bulwell
I am surprised that no one has singled out Bulwell in this debate.
Honestly, you cannot imagine a sadder, poverty ridden, more miserable
crime infested dump than Bulwell. In spite of the fact that its a
health action zone; employment action zone; and an education action
zone: it remains a truly dreadful place!
Andrew
Nottingham |
23rd
July 2002
in reply
katie you live in a nice safe leafy suburb.NOT IN THE CITY LIVE IN
ST ANNES FOR A DAY THEN WRITE A COMMENT
MAX
THE CITY OF NOTTINGHAM |
22nd
July 2002
FROM NOTTS & PROUD!
As you may of guessed i am from nottingham! i love notts, it is a
great place to live in. There are lots of people complaning of crime,
well nothing has ever happened to me or any one i know! i also agree
with Mario from Toronto, Canada, beeston is a great place (i know
coz i live there) :) well im from notts and proud! from
Katie (13)
NOTTINGHAM, beeston |
15th
July 2002
Studying in nottingham trent university
I'm GOING to my masters in european construction management in nottingham
trent university .after reading all this come comments i'm thinking
wheather to make it to nottingham or go to usa for my Masters in Architecture
karthik
INDIA |
12th
July 2002
Head defends school
I was very interested to see Mr davey's defence of his schools academic
record. Whilst I do not agree with using league tables in education,
the fact is was Mr Davey was headhunted by the authority and is paid
a significantly larger salary than other Nottingham heads, he appeared
on the front page of the local paper boasting of it. To stretch the
sporting analogy further he has taken the money but failed to deliver,
the school's results haven't improved and he should be judged by that
criteria!!
Jason Degg
Nottingham |
9th
July 2002
how great is nottingham?
I have lived in Stoke, I now work in Birmingham, but there is nowhere
quite like nottingham. The shops are amazing, the pubs and clubs are
up to date and (mostly) clean, there is loads to do (cinemas, bowling
etc). Not only that but it is home to massive international companies
like Boots and Games Workshop as well has being slap next to the M1,
an airport on its doorstep, its perfect. Yes there are areas where
crime is violent and drugs rife, but what cities in europe DON'T have
this trouble? The police need to come down on the 'cruisers' who tear
around notts on a friday saturday and sunday night, stamp out the
addicts and dealers and show more of a presence on the streets.
marc D
ilkeston uk |
|
9th
July 2002
Nottingham - crime city
In reply to S Ocean (02.07.02) )who ill-advises a tourist that if
he stays away from North Notts he'll be fine, let me just point
out that you are more likely to be mugged, robbed, stabbed or shot
in Nottingham than you ever will be in Retford or Worksop! This
is not to suggest that Nottingham is some kind of 'Bronx' but just
rougher than the towns in the north of the county.
Mark
Liverpool
and Mark
has a supporter
north notts
rough?
where does this s.ocean live? Again mark i agree with you.why is
s.ocean making out that north notts is one big top valley or something.
considering this guy does not even live in the city i think s. ocean
should keep quiet and go back to edwalten or something.
max
THE CITY OF NOTTINGHAM
|
8th
July 2002
Bilborough
When I bought my first house in bilborough 5 years ago I was told
it was rough etc and should not move there, the people in the area
are really nice and one of my sons goes to school locally and I have
never seen a crime being committed. My house has nearly doubled it`s
value so can it be that bad! don`t listen to them!
Paul Skerritt
Nottingham |
5th
July 2002
Policing
i live in sneinton and have done, very happily,for 20 years but in
the last 3 the streets have become worse and now it is deterioating
rapidly. We seem to have the 'boys' from the meadows and st annes
down here now plying thier trade. My grandchildren dont feel safe
and some of my neighbours are seeing things they never thought they
would. We once had a happy thriving community, what has happened?
NO POLICE on the streets.
Marilyn Moore
Nottingham |
2nd
July 2002
Nottingham
Mr. Peepers, Don't worry about crime in Nottingham, if you lived a
rough area in North Notts then you should be worried but as a tourest
visiting the city just be carefull, My young teenage children regulary
go into Nottingham for shopping with friends, so far nothing has happend
to make me worried. It's not as bad as New York
S. Ocean
|
1st
July 2002
Nottingham
Having worked all over the world after moving to Nottingham 30 years
ago. Nottingham means HOME. It's a place I look forward to returning
to. For people who live there all the time and take a great city for
granted I feel a little sadness. The small thrill of sitting in the
middle of a desert oilfield, clicking onto a city centre webcam and
seeing the buses outside Vickey centre at 7am on a damp morning can
only be experienced by those who love and respect the city for all
its good points. Don't focus on the wrong doings of a minority of
idiots appreciate Nottingham for what it is lively, vibrant, clean
and fun to be a part of. At 58 I should know I've lived,worked or
visited most of the major city's in the world. Don't knock it folks
you don't know how lucky you are
Mike Traynor
Muscat Oman |
29th
June 2002
from Melbourne Australia
Ok, interesting to research the internet about Robin Hood, specially
that it is somewhere in my family history. It is great to see this
site and photos of Nottingham. Just wanted to add my hello to Nottingham.
One day I would love to visit there from Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Sue Reid
Melbourne, Victoria, Aust |
|
29th June 2002
Is Nottingham
the best city in the Country?
What have you lot got against a few beggars? Can you spare any change
by the way?
A Beggar
Viccy Centre
|
29th
June 2002
Nottingham
I live over here in North America. I have never been to England before.
If I do though, I will go and visit Nottingham. It sounds like an
alright place. It couldn't have more crime than Los Angeles could
it?
Mr. Peepers
Long Beach, California, USA |
27th
June 2002
Vacation--Nottingham
Nottingham is a beautiful place to visit in the summer. The view of
the university is breathtaking. I spent two weeks in a small town
called Beeston. Quiet and calm best describes this place. I encourage
everyone to visit Nottingham. I experienced my first true love there.
To me it was a storybook from beginning to end!
Mario
Toronto, Canada |
27th
June 2002
Wrong
Gene Richardson, highest crime rate in the country! That is not true,
I dont know where you got those statistics from but London has the
highest crime rate, for one reason it has 7million residents where
Nottingham has fewer than 1million.
S. Ocean
|
21st
June 2002
Nottingham
nottingham has like the highest crimerate in the UK (or so im told)how
can you people like it?!? you cant walk through town without a ig
issue seller coming up to you, a tramp begging you for money, people
high on drugs asking for money, people just coming up to intimidating
you, asking for money, phones, etc, please sort it out
Gene Richardson
Nottingham |
13th
June 2002
Nottingham
Some cities excel in only one area and fall flat in others. If Nottingham
is middle of the road as some of you think then it must be just right
- the correct balance. I think that it is everything you want it to
be as long as you get off your butt and find something to do. It won't
come looking for you?
Phillip
West Bridgford, notts. |
10th
June 2002
Nottm
I think Nottinghamshire as a City and County is beautifula nd we should
be proud of it, but i feel we as a county have an identity crisis.
''East Midlands.....where?'' thats the response i get from people
when i tell them where i live, or ''I know Birmingham and the West
Midlands'' we have nothing to identify ourselves with. Also i noticed
that the ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳ is confused, regional programming, anywhere North of
Arnold/Hucknall, you get ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳1 in the North and Yorkshire ITV u live
in the City its ³ÉÈËÂÛ̳1 in the East mids and Carlton why? shouldnt we
be as one county in the same region, either all of us get Look North
or either we all get East Mids Today, so lets get together as a county,
a region and be proud!
Lisa Barrasits
notts |
8th
June 2002
women's city?
I have to go up to Sheffield on occasion to work, but the women are
ugly, fat, and if they look a bit pretty, they have ugly tattoos and
body jewellery. Nottingham does have lovely women, but I once married
one, and she turned nasty, and we divorced. Maybe I will marry again,
but next time it’ll be a ugly women from Sheffield!
Cool Guy
Nottingham |
7th
June 2002
Women
well being one 'girls' that occupy nottigham i can say that good looking
guys are few and far between, i have been searching far and wide for
my blonde equal and when i even come close i find they are not even
from nottingham!
lexis
notts |
4th
June 2002
Nottingham the best ??
Currently I live in New Zealand but for my first 30 years I lived
in Nottingham. I was never rich and spent time in some of the supposed
worst areas. I lived in both St. Annes and Bulwell hall. Truth is
I found out that people who lived in these areas we're just the same
as the rest of us, they were good people or salt of the earth. I know
that the few have spoilt the reputation of many areas but there are
good people there. I do miss nott's, it has a lot going for it and
many amenities but mostly I miss the people.
steve brentnall
Dunedin, New Zealand |
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