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Let鈥檚 hope they can improve the online PR from one of 12 angry bigoted men casting ignorant mantras to one of an inclusive party representing everyone no matter where they where born or have lived.

I have my doubts because for me I am more English than I am Cornish and I have no time for a duchy and no matter what the brothers say I will always assume they are trying to be all things to all men, but with a hidden ethnic agenda

If you take the state of play in the political arena today and the way things seems to be going with these proposed cuts, (not the Devonwall) which is not of prime concern for Joe public, their concern is, will they have a job at the end of it all. MK could do better than they have done before.

But first MK must jettisons any links with the barmy carryings of the Celtic League secretary MC and the attention seekers of C24.

@Graham you're right to bring up the Devonwall issue in relation to Mebyon Kernow, this whole move by this coaliton government has undermined the position of their MPs in Cornwall. Issues like this have made it increasingly clear that voting for Cornish MPs only serves to put a party in at London. In terms of what they can do for Cornwall and their own constituents is negligible. Even with combining in the grand example of the coaliton to oppose this bill in parliament they were unable to do so.

youngcornwall wrote:-
"....and the attention seekers of C24."
Who is worse, the "attention seeker", or the "attention provider"?
For a Group of "people" who dislike C24 so much, they seem to enjoy publicising it as often as they can.
Are you sure you don't have shares in it CG, oops, sorry, YC?

Graham Smith
Much passion in the MK debate over Devonwall and the Keep Cornwall Whole Campaign, with words like "treachery" and " betrayal" heard more often than usual.

As long as they steer clear of comments like 鈥淎xis of Evil鈥� etc and any other defamatory statements of this kind.

After all MK is looking for an MP that has been elected by the people of Cornwall to represent a 鈥淐ornish party鈥� which will be a first, and it is not going to be easy, make no mistake about that, idle talk lose votes.

Let us not forget MK鈥檚 sacred ancient border of the Tamars creating 'Devonwall' which ignores history that the border was between Kingsand and Cawsand,



//Until boundary changes in 1844 Kingsand was in Devon; Cawsand, however, was always in Cornwall. On the old county boundary between the two villages there is still a house called Devon Corn, which has the marker on the front of the house. //

"which ignores history that the border was between Kingsand and Cawsand,"

This is the problem with less than thorough research (or less than honest presentation). Kingsand was an exclave. It was entirely within Cornwall - though designated as a part of Devon. The border between Cornwall and England is entirely different to this special administrative circumstance.

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So MK have decided to spread themselves too thin again, and to lose more money at elections, instead of putting all their efforts and cash behind Dick Cole, who is after all their only chance of ever getting any power at noticable level..

Good, that'll keep them out of mischief.

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Dave the rave wrote:
So MK have decided to spread themselves too thin again,

If that was the only problem MK had Dave it could be soon rectified.

But the biggest problem for MK is the parasitic nature of some of these nats, if MK were to have any real success in politics these nats would interpret it as if they had had an input into MKs success, sadly this will never happen for MK until they throw off the nats millstone that has been around their necks for the past 50 or more years.

Fact is the Parish of Maker which contains Kingsand was in Devon. Thats an absolute Fact. It is not an exclave it was in Devon and is still partly owned by Plymouth Citry council

If MK have any sense, they won't let Mike & The Muckantics anywhere near.

Like a cancer it needs to be cut out and disposed of once and for all, and MK will be all the healthier for it, until this happens MK will never reach its full potential.

Aren't you two being just as extreme as they are "Cancer"! What do we have is six or seven people, I could name them but the comment would be removed. The problem is it is learnt behaviour they all think being obnoxious and arrogant works, they fight rather than debate and people are 100% correct to blame C24.

These people just like fighting. They seemed to have been allowed to hijack everything Cornish and like the devonwall voting thing it is them who removed support, MK could actually have cashed in on this was it for them making this a wall and inventing a pretend ancient barrier. Mike is out of control at the moment and walking a thin line, best ignored, like the rest on C24 they are looking for press headlines, us talking about them feeds this need, here we agree in the long run it is MK who are the losers.

As the Cornish public deem them all to be the same.

I know one the certain MK will never fight the Celtic league because they need there support and as such they will go around and around forever.

If MK want to be a party of Cornwall start listening to the majority not the minority and learn the Cornish are never going to fight the English or want to be cut off from England

Graham any chance we can debate Cornwalls border it seems every time Trembath is around comments go missing which contain no offensive material, abusing this "off topic" when all forums develop organically. Given the comment you have made

"鈥uch passion in the MK debate over Devonwall and the Keep Cornwall Whole Campaign, with words like "treachery" and " betrayal" heard more often than usual鈥�"

Why have so many of my comments been removed pointing out a location just up the road from my was historically in Devon. I see Andrews has just gone for the same reason at the same time as Trembath appeared and yet it accurately reflected the truth.

MK are unelectable unless they distance themselves from campaigns (usually failed campaigns) by the small clubs of different nationalists, (Stannary, Cornwall 2000, Celtic League, TGG, Campaign Kernow) who can act the goat and create as much fuss as they like, as they have no seats to gain or lose, and nothing but their own egos to inflate.

Each time one of these groups of four or five self elected spokes people for "Kernow" shoot their mouths off, or run a (failed) campaign, MK loses support.

It's almost as if these groups are fifth columnist working against MK's interests

Self inflicted pain

From Coles blog about MK 60th (I would link but someone is using any excuse to remove comments, in order to upset people)

It is anticipated that the cost of the booklet will be about 拢7.00, but members and supporters are being invited to show their support for this initiative by pre-ordering the publication at the slightly inflated cost of 拢10.00.

I thought Graham was telling us how rich they are and yet this is how they treat members!

Peter Tregantle wrote:-
"Graham any chance we can debate Cornwalls border..."

How about here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/07/and_the_new_mp_for_devonwall_i.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/07/experts_predict_a_devonwall_co.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/08/miliband-the-younger_vows_to_s.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/08/devonwall_bill_runs_into_more.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/08/anti-devonwall_campaigners_in_1.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/08/the_principal_principle_1.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/mps_vote_for_devonwall.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/see-through_cornish_tartan.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/nick_clegg_meets_keep_cornwall.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/when_dick_meets_nick.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/many_amendments_to_the_bill_bu.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/clegg_stays_schtum_on_devonwal.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/who_said_what.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/andrew_steps_up_with_a_pro-cor.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/09/keeping_cornwall_whole.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/from_mike_chappell.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/its_the_tamar_not_the_amazon.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/hundreds_at_saltash_for_anti-d_1.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/devonwall_bill_gets_thumbs_dow.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/could_devonwall_be_governments.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/devonwall_bill_amendments_not.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/andrew_george_voted_for_labour.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/mike_chappell_quits_hunger_str.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/time_running_out_for_anti-devo.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/10/devonwalls_dates_with_destiny.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/11/cornwalls_mps_defy_government.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/11/mps_lose_their_virginity.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/11/devonwall_-_the_final_score.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/11/andrew_voted_both_ways.html
Or here:-
/blogs/grahamsmith/2010/11/a_wheel_falls_off.html

I think we've had more than a "chance".
Now, how about a chance to debate anything without the resort to your usual insult and abuse?

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The focus of Grahams comments was with regards to DEVONWALL, thus that is what people have been debating. The moderation team clearly are not aware of what DEVONWALL is so have been removing comments which are on topic because DEVONWALL is the false belief that the TAMAR is a national boundary

Can we please stop removing comments which are 'ON' topic

Here is what Graham said

Much passion in the MK debate over Devonwall and the Keep Cornwall Whole Campaign.

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I would never mention the rifts and divisions within the "nationalist" movement, Dave.
The Celtic League, (Chappell, Leamon and Richard Talbot), seemed to have fallen out with the Stannary Parliament,(12 old blokes from Redruth), and Campaign Kernow,(Graham Hart).
Watching from the wings are C24, stirring everything with a long stick.

Kilts and bagpipes at 20 paces, trite phrases at the ready!

Mr Smith - surely you meant to write 'Cornwall's border with England'. Didn't you?

Let's get real what influence does C24 hold, except to fill a dozen or so peoples heads with corrupted information. The thread is about MK and for me it the link between the Celtic league and MK which damages MK.

Next MK has to decide what they want to achieve, do they want to represent the majority in Cornwall or remain a minority party based around what they deem to be Cornwall of about 200 years ago. The core support is based around the later and this path has failed and clear evidence exists to show this is not something the general public in Cornwall support so they are in a 'catch 22', they are a party of a small Minority in Cornwall acting much like the Celtic league as protesters rather than movers and shakers.

They need to drop the CL and get ziggy to transport them into 2011 and drop those with old fashion ideas and bigoted attitudes; this will quickly remove the online fringe and might see MK start representing the people of Cornwall rather than the minority, anything else is fiddling whilst Truro burns

MK want to drop the "more lefty than labour" ideas too. How well did the Labour Party do in Cornwall recently? So what's the point of being a little bit Labour + a little bit Green + a little bit Nationalist if they are three vote losing stances.

MK should become a more centreist, independence and self-reliance supporting party, and drop the green and nationalist views.

But then, what would be the point of MK.

Pretty much the same as there is now.

None.

Peter Tregantle wrote:-
"Let's get real what influence does C24 hold..."

Yes, lets get real. C24 is an Internet forum, nothing more, nothing less.
It seems that there are some who attempt to portray it as something more, and have a large chip on their shoulders regarding it.
I would be loath to suggest that it is purely down to those same people having been banned from that forum for their behaviour.

MK want to be seen as all things to all people, but deep inside the common factor they hold is Cornwall for the Cornish or is that Kernowish!

-MK should become a more centreist, independence and self-reliance supporting party, and drop the green and nationalist views-

What they need is a reality check, they believe there own hype and ignore the facts as demonstrated by the polls

Is this posting On Topic or Off Topic? Or is it one rule for one and not the other?

32. At 09:12am on 17 Nov 2010, P_Trembath wrote:
Peter Tregantle wrote:-
"Let's get real what influence does C24 hold..."

Yes, lets get real. C24 is an Internet forum, nothing more, nothing less.
It seems that there are some who attempt to portray it as something more, and have a large chip on their shoulders regarding it.
I would be loath to suggest that it is purely down to those same people having been banned from that forum for their behaviour.

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On Topic no doubt there, which brings this posting of mine back on topic.

29. At 08:40am on 17 Nov 2010, Peter Tregantle wrote:
Let's get real what influence does C24 hold, except to fill a dozen or so peoples heads with corrupted information. The thread is about MK and for me it the link between the Celtic league and MK which damages MK.

What do you expect from him, his purpose is to upset the flow and discredit anyone who does not hold his view with juvenile comments stolen out of context. To me he is showing exactly what everyone is mooting. A nationalists making MK and the nationalist movement look like cranks. His actions are on topic, even if his comments are not. I just ignore him because it is impossible to counter such behaviour.

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youngcornwall wrote:-
"Postings 32,35,36 and now this one imo are off topic..."

Make your mind up!

Peter Tregantle wrote
A nationalists making MK and the nationalist movement look like cranks.

Hence the saying 鈥渘asty nats鈥� How MK can offload such unwelcomed guests it remains to be seen.

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Evidence, if it was needed of what Trembath is like, Googles a little, fails to read and selects sections of comments to abuse anyone who does not share his fringe political views. Really he is just a bull in china shop. A Forum killer as history shows us

MK need to silence him before the next election otherwise they can waive the deposits goodbye

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-Let鈥檚 hope they can improve the online PR from one of 12 angry bigoted men casting ignorant mantras to one of an inclusive party representing everyone no matter where they where born or have lived.-

Just look at the last few comments. Here is what MK need to deal with, a few extremists doing everything they can suppress the Cornish voice. About time MK listened to the public rather than extremists who in truth just like fighting online, they do not want what is best for Cornwall